I’ve been waiting for a story like this to happen in the UK for a while now. When I saw this I was actually surprised to see it was in the US. It’s only a matter of time, if it hasn’t already happened.
Yeah - my understanding was that there was a carve out explicitly for trans men with that UK ruling, which effectively meant its illegal for trans men to piss in either bathroom? We aren’t men, but we also can’t use the women’s.
My state doesn’t have bathroom laws yet - except for in schools (and my dumbass thought - science teacher shortage! if I’m needed and doing something good I get to be a human being right?)
These bigots continue to harass trans people.
These people are so illogical, it doesn’t make any sense. It is just blind hatred. There is no data. Nothing that confirms their wrapped view or reality. In fact, these bigots are more likely to harm someone.
This is the point of these laws. It’s not to protect people it’s to make existing in public impossible for trans people
It’s not about bathrooms, it’s certainly not about “protecting” anyone. They do not give two shits about actual assaults against women and children.
It’s about sending a political message, a threat against a marginalized group that can be demonized for not fitting social norms, but is also not strong enough or connected enough to push back and rile up public support. Something like saying “You’re not allowed to use the bathroom” is a deeply personal and sensitive topic that will absolutely crush someone of any group and it’s prone to not getting the public attention that it needs. I mean, who wants to talk about how they need to shit?
It’s been wildly successful too, because the people who actually care spend all their time in social-media echo-chambers, even like this one, instead of doing community organization and activism. Even suggesting it will probably draw in opposition here from people who feel helpless. And yeah, they’ll be right, it’s much, much harder now because we didn’t do this shit back when the playing field was more level and this was just 4-chan trolls and reddit communities and there wasn’t billions of dollars invested in the success of the of the distraction-campaign.
We can still turn this around but we can’t do it the same way. We have to fight far, far dirtier, we have to make bot-armies, troll accounts, we have to put ourselves at risk, we have to directly target efforts towards libs and neo-libs who maybe, sorta, kinda care about issues that impact other citizens, but need a swift kick in the ass to realize they’re on the wrong side of history. We have to project the image of mass-support at any opportunity. When you are talking or arguing about these issues, you have to do the same thing they did, which is play up that your movement is gaining support and momentum broadly, not withering under blistering hate and capitalist efforts. We have to be less afraid of wild rhetoric and playing uncivil. Be less afraid of negative attention. We have to call people bad words and be less afraid of offending our own side, because there are a lot of people on our side who aren’t really.
We have to actually argue with our shitty uncle and not “let it go.” We have to make friends in real-space and we have to hang out in public and be seen and stand united against hateful monsters.
We have to be that group of San Diego citizens who SHAMED a bunch of modern klansmen (ICE agents) into retreating from their neighborhood.
All the hard shit. You have to do that. You have to get real social real fast. Yeah, it does suck.
Yeah! It’s why a lot of the times when I think about leaving the house, I just don’t! The stochastic terrorism has worked!
I’d also like to add… no one cares whos in what bathroom when you are in line at a portapotty do they? This shit is stupid.
So stupid. There’s a good stand up bit that covers it - https://youtube.com/shorts/jrBlC3q0Fwo
On a different side of the coin, the virtue signaling also bothers me. I was at a fast casual restaurant and went to use the bathroom and the sign on the door said “Gender neutral bathroom” and I was like “oh word, that’s pretty progressive I like this place” and then I walked in and there’s one toilet and a sink and the door locks. Motherfucker, that’s just a bathroom. You don’t need to specify “gender neutral” when it’s a one-person bathroom. Fuck outa here.
I’ve never seen a gender-neutral restroom that wasn’t just a one-person bathroom though…
I have. Floor to ceiling stalls, with no gaps. It was great.
Yup, been in these and this is what I imagine when I hear “gender neutral bathroom” shared sink space and private stalls. Fully in support of this.
This should be the norm in any new construction. There’s clearly room for it
I was at a George Thorogood concert and opened the door on a woman taking a shit in a portapotty. There were no lines so I just walked up and picked door number 2.
What I’m saying is I do care a little bit who’s in there.
You would have preferred a manlier shit?
Ever heard of knocking?
What part of “George Thorogood concert” do you not understand? This wasn’t a shitter in the middle of nowhere. Locking the door is a lot more effective than trying to be louder than I Drink Alone. Yeah, you know when I shit alone I prefer to be by myself.
Many people I know with kids feel like the line is crossed when children are involved. Without kids it doesn’t matter but once kids are involved in the bathroom then things get more sensitive
I don’t myself mind sharing the bathroom with a <N-word.> I am not some Klan member! But when my kids are involved, I have to draw a line. Kids aren’t old enough to understand black people and their culture. Black folks need to use the bathroom at home or use a black-only bathroom. I’ll happily share a bathroom with a black man, but my wife or kids shouldn’t have to. They’re just not equipped to handle the complexities of the situation. Don’t call me a racist, I just have concerns for the safety of children.
Human garbage never changes.
Just shit in your hand and start throwing it at patrons. It’s the only way
While peeing, a man who called himself the bar owner came into the women’s restroom and looked over Strobel’s stall.
This is the crime.
Gonna guess not having a stall is against ADA laws also. Sounds like that bar needs to go.
There was a stall. He looked over it.
It seems there was a stall in the women’s restroom, but not the men’s
…where would men poop if no stall? Poo urinal?
Edit: read more myself, and now my question is towards the establishment instead. What the fuck?
With the right attitude, the whole world can be your toilet.
I think the toilet was just exposed or it was a single use room.
If the toilet was exposed, that’s fuuuucked
If it was a single use toilet, they wouldn’t have to find a new toilet :c
Yeah there appears to be some sketchy stuff going on there.
Cruelty is the point. They don’t want trans people to exist so they’ll make that existence as bad as possible.
He was going out of his way to do everything “right” too.
He couldn’t use the men’s, because it was a trough set up. He talked to an employee, made sure that no one was in the women’s.
And then the cops had the gall to accuse him of being drunk and disorderly?
Shithole countries are wild.
IIRC, he was the designated driver too.
This confused me. Do men not shit? Do men not have shitters that are also perfectly servicable squatty potties? What kind of bar has a piss only bathroom?
When in a pinch, men might shit through their dick
Working as intended, I’m afraid. 😡
How dare you follow the law!
well yeah. the point is to make the cops have more excuses to harm communities.
There have been so many cops everywhere the past fucking week where I live. I am so terrified.
I started using men’s restrooms in 2013. No one ever cared. No one has ever cared.
I used to travel a lot across my state - I like going to wonky small towns, dragged ex’s to places like the Spiro Mounds, wanted to explore the ghost town of Picher, had adventures with foster children in Arkansas…. but I have to stay in a city now.
It’s like a video game map now. Hubworlds are safe, the cops will be noticed if they do something and are at least dimly aware of that. But travel could cause a random encounter, with multiple deeply unpleasant outcomes.
That is why they do that shit. It’s stochastic terrorism. At least when I was a kid crying in terror over 9/11, the world was telling me that it was happening and it was real.
Well, like a video game, time to arm up and train for potential random encounters. I’d like to the see the people start winning some of these encounters. These cowards will draw back as soon as they get bit.
I play like Morrowind. I stay in safe areas and do low level small quests. I stick up and prepare before a journey. I try to join small factions for both missions and protections.
A gunfight would quickly end with me dead, and there would be no way of changing the story. If I was armed, it would be easy to tell all kinds of stories about what happens. I know cops lie.
I have zero interest in violence. Being a queer kid in Oklahoma has already resulted in experiencing physical violence at multiple points in my life. I have spent more time learning to make a punch hurt less than I have learning to throw them. Any point where retaliation has been attempted makes the punches harder, and garners me more other consequences. It’s easier to show people your gashes if they cannot reveal a bruise.
Dude it’s so fucked that it takes so much effort to just live as yourself. I am so sorry. :c
These cowards will draw back as soon as they get bit.
No, they won’t. They will escalate. And feel righteous doing it.
stay safe and stay strong. if someone asks just tell them to stop sexually assaulting you and know your state’s self defense doctrine.
just. ugh. stay strong. i dont know what else to say. 🫂
30 years of making us listen to your dumb ass “France surrenders” jokes and you guys are just cowering now, aren’t you?
Jesus Christ, America. DO SOMETHING.
Nobody is coming to save you. This is your fucking fight and you aren’t showing up.
Most people make fun of France because of dumb reasons like that. I make fun of France for their evil imperialism that gets too often overlooked in America.
But in all seriousness, the only thing we could do to stop this current mess is behead the king, and the US military is more than capable of destroying any large scale effort. I think targeting nobility could be a decent alternative, but I’m physically incapable personally.
Now that the corpos dumped us we have exactly 0 reason to hold back. It’s team to return pride to it’s roots
why does anybody give a fuck what bathroom you use in the first fucking place
Because you might be a sexual predator, and a law banning trans people from bathrooms will definitely stop a rapist.
In other words, irrationality.
Relevant stand up bit - https://youtube.com/shorts/jrBlC3q0Fwo
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Yeah, but they were certainly segregated, and you see how well that worked out
Was it White and Coloreds back then?
my point exactly
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USA has become a sociopathic society.
They claim to love freedom, but regulate to harass every minority there is.
The culture has become sick with sadistic hate.Just look to one of the biggest “small government” states, Texas. They’re becoming an absolute nanny state pushing so many stupid regulations in the name of “Oh won’t someone please think of the children!”
Freedom, my ass. They never cared about freedom.
Freedom to hate, freedom from reasonable safety or healthcare. Freedumb.
We’re like a bucket of idiot crabs being boiled alive, and those of us who are too poor/disabled to leave and have been screaming for the past decade are suffocating at the bottom 🫠
Freedumb.
Of course my bad. 😋
suffocating at the bottom
I can’t even Imagine living in a society where people claim Empathy is a weakness!
I would really like some of the mentality from the 70’s flower power days back.
Best of luck to you. ❤️
It has always been like that. The only difference now is that the crazies (racist, bigots, zealots, white Christian conservatives and strait up mentally ill) have open platforms to voice their preference and ideas and people in power who agree / benefit from those points of view, have normalized it. There is no bottom at this point.
Strobel said he plans on defending himself in court
That’s a bad idea, even though he has an easy case (in theory).
Yeah and it’s not just about how easy or hard the case is, lawyers know how to follow the rules, procedures, regulations etc. You’re honestly just wasting your and the courts time even if you win.
I hope that police department likes lawsuits.
Goddamn it, South Carolina! As a native, I wish I could say this was unexpected.
