Does it even make a difference? Would much appreciate some suggestions.
Lemmy.world is the largest instance, for what it’s worth.
This is a good reason to choose another instance imo. It’s best that we not have all our eggs in one basket, so to speak.
It’s smart, Lots of people joined Lemm.ee and now 5500 active users need to find a new instance or stop using lemmy (some certainly will just leave)
This has really made me lose faith in a defederated system like this.
@Anyone: please let me know if I’m wrong about these and if there’s a solution, but as far as I can see:
- I can’t export my account (most importantly all the posts and comments I’ve saved).
- It’s difficult to find where a server is based.
- Some instances seem to be solo hobby projects. I don’t want to pick another instance that is at risk of being killed.
For me, decentralization is a kind that exists on a spectrum.
In the Fediverse, there has been decentralization in many ways, and I understand that it’s the way it is—no single Fediverse instance or server holds greater power or authority over the others.
However, some servers may be more popular than others because they have been actively promoted or because many friends are using them.
For me, I subscribed to managed hosting services and they are paid to host a Lemmy server. Yes, I also paid for a DNS domain name, which costs around $2 for the first year and $20 for the following year.
This way, I can define my server rules, decide which servers to federate with, and choose whether to close the server or not. It’s up to us, unless we are committed to maintaining a large server with a huge user base and are willing to deal with the challenges of moderation.
What I like about the Fediverse is that there are so many free and open-source software options like Lemmy, Mastodon, Mitra, and GotoSocial. I believe that these source codes are free to audit. Therefore, for me, this software feels more like my own than some other software that belongs to someone popular or wealthy.
And regarding your data that you want to recover, maybe you can try to email the server support team to retrieve your data and see if they can provide instructions on how to do so.
If you want stability sdf.org (lemmy.sdf.org is their Lemmy service) has been around for decades
This thread tells how to export and import your favourites, posts, comments
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Your saved posts and comments are included in your exported settings along with your subscriptions. I was happy to discover that when I did it yesterday.
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Most instances say where they are based in their instance description. If not, you can do a whois lookup to see the general area they are in. Another option is asking in the meta community of the instance.
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Similar to the second point above, most instance owners are transparent with their infrastructure and the ones who are running small servers as hobby projects usually put it as a disclaimer.
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You’re being down voted, but I feel you. It’s why I picked one of the largest instances when I joined, despite what other Lemmings tend to tell people to do. Picking a small instance is a bad idea because they die out like that. I’ve seen several fairly significant smaller instances die out at this point. I don’t want to wake up and my account suddenly vanished one day because the host forgot about it.
The lack of account mobility is really a huge problem with the fediverse, you lose all your stuff if you move to another instance.
Does it really matter where you go? It’s all federated together anyway, that’s the whole point, isn’t it?
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It’s not all federated together, Lemm.ee is more broadly federated than Lemmy.world, as an example. Lemm.ee can see Hexbear and Lemmygrad, you cannot, as a quick example. Federation and defederation policy dramatically impacts the experience.
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Many instances are specialized, like Lemmygrad with Marxism-Leninism, slrpnk.net with Solarpunk, mander.xyz with science, Hexbear as a left-unity instance, etc. Browsing locally is a fun experience for those into the instance subject.
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Some instances have only upvotes and no downvotes, some don’t show vote totals period, or have other front-facing features. Some offer emojis, like Hexbear.net.
And more! All good reasons to put some thought in.
Which would you say is the most neutral/ open to anything? Or I guess most federated?
Lemmy.zip is a common broadly federated instance I think, but really, I’d suggest looking into instances aligned most with the type of content you like to see.
Wow, thank you! I didn’t know it was like that. I also didn’t know that what I was reading as nonsense slarpnik is “solaspunk” and I still have no idea what that is but I’ll google it. Never heard of Mander either, want to check out whether that’s useful to me. Thanks!
No problem! Solarpunk is an aesthetic-based social movement surrounding solar energy and climate activism, in a short descriptor. You can see the instance to see what I mean.
Here’s a tool to find instances. I recommend sorting by most active, and checking whichever looks interesting to you.
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Sh.itjust.works and lemmy.zip, not sure if shitjustworks is general purpose actually
But yeah I signed up for multiple before so id have aged accounts in case my main one went away
If you have a favorite community, move to its instance - /All is showing what all the people on your instance are subscribed to so if you’re on an instance with people you like, c/All will probably have more things you like. Also /Local shows you local posts from your instance which is cool if you’re on a theme instance.
A really small instance may have less /All content (but if you’re on any instance over 500 people it’s probably plenty)
- Sincerely, a pawb.social user
https://lemmy.zip/ is the closest imo.
I see a few people recommending lemmygrad, lemmy.ml and hexbear, I don’t really think you’d enjoy those servers too much unless you are interested in leftism/communism.
also, people will assume you’re a tankie just because your name ends with .ml 😞
problem being?
Tankies are delulu
Marxists tend to be consistently correct and ahead of the curve, thanks to the analytical tool of Dialectical Materialism.
Marxists aren’t the same as tankies
“Tankie” is a pejorative for Marxist, just like “commie” and “pinko.”
Tankies are a specific type of internet communist that support oppressive, authoritarian regimes.
most coherent dronie joins the discussion
I catch strays because I’m on .ml but I’m not a tankie (I’m left libertarian like Chomsky)
I think everyone who sees Chomsky in a positive overall light should read On Chomsky.
What if I just really like Captain Fantastic?
Only CIA.World users sauy that stuff.
cia.world gave me a giggle
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Marxists are absolutely leftists, if you redefine Leftism to only include Anarchism you are making a severe error in political understanding.
Tankies aren’t Marxists lol
They’re more MAGA than anything. I’ve spent quite some time on Hexbear and .ml. I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
They’re pro censorship, anti-free speech, anti human rights, and constantly talk shit about “liberals”. Sounds like a hard authoritarian right to me.
The ideas that domination is the goal are correct. The domination goes beyond social issues. Owing someone rent puts them in a position to dominate me. Saying the rent is the people’s rent doesn’t rationalize the domination.
Marxists do not seek “domination” of others, nor do Socialist countries extract “rent.” Using a portion of the social fund to create infrastructure, social safety nets, advance productivity via new Capital, and more are not the same as a landlord extracting surplus value on the basis of owning a scarce resource like land. I think you’re confused on several areas, like what Marxists want, how Socialist states function, and what “rent” is. If you want, I have theory I can recommend for you.
What no theory does to a mf
Saying the rent is the people’s rent
Well that’s a strawman that nobody says
“Tankie” is just the terminally online version of “commie” or “pinko,” it’s just a pejorative for Marxists. The 3 instances you called “tankie” are the 3 biggest Marxist-friendly instances. Both of my 2 accounts are on Hexbear.net and Lemmy.ml, respectively, I’ve spent plenty of time.
Marxists in general are in favor of controlling the speech of the bourgeoisie, as were Marx and Engels:
>6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
Marxists are not “anti-free speech,” nor are Hexbear and Lemmy.ml. Rampant misinformation and bigotry should be removed, and is. Marxists, including .ml and Hexbear, are absolutely pro-Human Rights. Marxists do hate liberals, liberals are pro-Capitalism apologists, and thus liberalism has been a target of Socialists of all stripes since liberalism became a thing.
a lost redditor appears, it’s very confused
Shit on the political compass all you want, it does help bring a bit of nuance into discussions like this:
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Auth-right would be fascism.
I wanted to point out that, even though they are authoritarian, they are still leftist. The Political Compass adds a bit of nuance, so there can be a distinction.
Nuance doesn’t seem to be their strong suit
No tankies are authoritarian left.
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Marxists in general are in favor of controlling the speech of the bourgeoisie, as were Marx and Engels:
>6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
Marxists are not “anti-free speech,” nor are Hexbear and Lemmy.ml. Rampant misinformation and bigotry should be removed, and is. Marxists, including .ml and Hexbear, are absolutely pro-Human Rights. Marxists do hate liberals, liberals are pro-Capitalism apologists, and thus liberalism has been a target of Socialists of all stripes since liberalism became a thing.
How do you create so many nearly identical posts? Is it just copy pasta? Is it full automation? I mean holy shit, if I created a bot, it would react to questions like this.
In case you didn’t read that thing here’s that thing again. Ehhh.
I commented elsewhere, but all states are authoritarian. What matters is which class is exerting its authority. In Socialist states, that class is the Proletariat against the Bourgeoisie. Marxists are not any more “auth” than other ideologies, and not any less.
States can present as more or less auth depending on the circumstances they are in, when the class struggle is a sharpened contradiction, but that doesn’t mean the state is making a choice to be more or less auth, just that it responds to different circumstances.
Karl Marx, famous right-winger? Very silly comment.
To be fair, the political compass absolutely does not bring nuance. All governments are authoritarian, all states are instruments of class opression. What matters is which class is being oppressed, by which. The political compass is closer to astrology for political nerds than a coherent theory.
Would you call communist states (an oxymoron, I know) instruments of class opression?
All governments are authoritiarian, but to what extent?
I more-meant the difference between the libertarian and authoritarian right/left, its a useful distinction to have.
Yes, absolutely. Socialist states governed by Communist Parties are states where the Proletariat oppresses the Bourgeoisie. You can’t simply eliminate all property relations overnight, the role of a proletarian state is to sieze the large firms and key industries that are necessary to maintain that power, and gradually appropriate firms and industry until the entire economy can be publicly owned and planned.
There aren’t really degrees of authoritarian or libertarian in a state, just what circumstances the system finds itself in. At times where class struggle is sharpened, the state employs more drastic measures to maintain the class in charge, and this goes for bourgeois states or proletarian states. It isn’t a decision to be made on a sliding scale, but a reflection of circumstances.
Even comparing Anarchism with Marxism as “libertarian vs authoritarian” isn’t apt. Anarchists also employ authority in overturning class relations, just via a horizontalist approach. Marxist states also are more comprehensively democratic than Capitalist ones, as they spread democracy to the economy, for the many rather than for the few.
Just my 2 cents as a Marxist-Leninist.
Side note: a higher stage Communist society where class has been abolished and the oppressive elements of government that make up the state have thus withered away would not be authoritarian, as there’s no longer class struggle. That’s more of a future thing though, not something that has immediate relevance.
There aren’t really degrees of authoritarian or libertarian in a state, just what circumstances the system finds itself in.
This sounds like that rare thing in political science: a falsifiable assertion. Do you happen to know if anyone has tested it?
I’m not sure how you would test it, outside of looking at states through history, in different contexts. Germany is a good example. Germany in the early 20th century, after World War I, was in serious debt and had rising contradictions that led to increased worker organization. The bourgeoisie was terrified of a Communist uprising, so they employed the Nazis to purge them. After the fall of the Nazis, the system didn’t radically change, but the need for the Nazis as a sort of alter-ego to stamp out Communism was done. They remained Capitalist throughout the entire time, but each change in policy was driven by changing conditions.
Marxists posit that the Mode of Production is the base, which creates the superstructure, which is the laws, ideology, and culture, which shapes the base. This cyclical relationship shows that biggest shaper of policy is the needs of the ruling class, and the conditions they are dealing with. I am not “inventing” this stance, of course, its been here for a long while.
he did say communist governments are authoritarian, in them the capitalist class would be getting oppressed by the state in service of the working class. this is why it’s called the dictatorship of the proletariat - the proletariat should still be getting their interests as a class represented in this arrangement, while bourgious have no special status or access due to their capital.
All governments are authoritarian, all states are instruments of class opression. What matters is which class is being oppressed, by which.
are there any examples of libertarian states?
a relevant passage from This Soviet World by Anna Louise Strong
In a neoliberal sense, kinda, but those are really just shifting who is oppressing people to capitalists.
I think that still qualifies as a bourgious dictatorship
100%, excellent explanation!
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I’m a part of Lemmy.zip for a few months now. Great server with transparent admins who post about server updates and such. It’s tech-oriented as an instance, but it’s federated, so you still have access to all other servers. I’m a computer nerd, hence why I picked it.
Yeah, lemmy.zip is great.
Anything a bit more…centrist, so to speak?
lemmy.zip is good.
Lemmy.zip was the centrist rec.
Is it possible to migrate my lemm.ee profile over there, or do I ride this one out until bye bye and then just make a new one?
You can export things like your favorites, but you can’t move profiles.
In the same boat, though I’ve been here for almost 2 years lol
If you have a favorite community you might take a look at the instance they’re hosted out of.
Beyond that, my general advice is to sort Lemmy instances by number of active users, then pick one that’s somewhere between the 10th and 20th largest.
The Voyager app now defaults to lemmy.zip. I really like sh.itjust.works fwiw.
That’s where I went too. Main goal was to not end up on an instance that is too tolerant of the tankie triad. Time will tell, but so far so good.
I’m thinking between Zip and db0… I can’t decide 😁
I was too comfortable with lemme.ee (AKA less drama overall than your favorite Lemmy instance) but now I need to deal with this…
Well, I knew from the beginning, that the fediverse works this way, if any we should be grateful we were given a good window to migrate (former fmhy user here lol), and honestly it makes sense, each instance can’t last forever… Not even big sites like Reddit will.
I also can vouch for sh.itjust.works. They have a fair defederation policy and has only gone down a couple times in the two years I’ve been using it. When it has the admin has been quick to address it and provides updates via a matrix chat.
The one downside is that some more niche domains have
degenerateddefederated (thanks autocorrect) from us due to the open enrolment we have (beehaw comes directly to mind). I recall someone linking a website that tracked what servers are federated with each other but I can’t find it now unfortunately.I recall someone linking a website that tracked what servers are federated with each other but I can’t find it now unfortunately.
Oh no! Not beehaw!
i think you might be referring to Fediseer?
Is beehaw still around? I had no idea. I thought they defederated from everyone then I assumed they died out.
They only block lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, and a few small servers.
Its honestly a really pleasant place to be – I see no negativity there.
I went here after i read .ee is shutting down , most of the stuff i followed back there i can follow from here
I’m really out of the loop. Why is lemm.ee shutting down? I thought it was one of the more sizeable instances.
Admin team was too small and they couldnt find a replacements for people that were leaving , its a ungrateful job i guess ?
We welcome you to the fold! I tried a few instances when I joined a couple years back but basically never use my alts because SJW ‘just works’ :) I hope you enjoy it as much as I have!
Thanks a ton , i liked .ee culture , hope to have some of the same weirdness here too
hexbear.net, lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, easily the best instances.
Recommended the 3 worst ones
I disagree, the users on all three have been nothing but supportive and wonderful to me.
Even if you truly believe that, just saying that without talking about those instances’ reputation seems… unhelpful, at best. You’re telling someone to join hexbear without telling them how many instances have defederated from it.
The reputation is only positive in my view.
Yes, of course you people like it but the rest of us for sure aren’t switching to worse instances.
Marxists tend to like all 3 of those instances, those who don’t like Marxists tend to hate them. As a Marxist, they are by no means “worse instances,” I much prefer them.
Also, what do you mean by “you people?”
What kind of people am I?
You know…
No, please, go ahead.
A marxist-leninist
This!
People are recommending all sorts of instances without telling them how many instances have de-federated from them and if they’re federated with hexbear etc.
You only focus that criticism on this suggestion because you are obviously one of the people who don’t like hexbear and want to frame your critique of the suggestion as more reasonable/less biased.
What exactly is the “reputation” hexbear has anyway? Being based?
Those three instances are a lot more controversial than most, and I’m not gonna argue with you if you’re gonna pretend to not know that.
“Controversial” in that Marxists tend to support them, and those opposed to Marxism don’t. It’s as simple as that, really.
Controversial amongst whom and for what reasons?
Without providing that context your critique is “…unhelpful at best”
Edit: to be clear, Hexbear is a large and active instance, so if you value their content (as I do) other instances being de-federated can be just as much, if not more, a mark against those instances. Hence why it matters who deems them controversial and why.
I don’t personally know who they are federated with, but as someone who’s only used Lemmy.ML, I can interact with their instance and I can interact with many (if not most, idk) other instances (.World, .Zip, Lemmygrad, DBzer0, etc). So if they are de-federated with those instances and you want to see both Hexbear and them, maybe come to Lemmy.ml.
Side note: is there a way to track de-federations aside from just searching for communities hosted there from within your instance?
Controversial in the view of liberals and conservatives.
“My specific bias alone is justified in a way that conveniently doesn’t even bear explaining.”
/s
Nah, I agree. Hexbear is probably my favorite out of the 3, but all are good instances.
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you can join lemdro.id if you want
Just keep in mind you might have to instance hop again if your chosen instance goes down, but that’s OK.
Hmm. Do any of the apps allow you to seamlessly manage more than one?
Most Lemmy apps support switching quickly between instances.
In theory, this could ease the transition when an instance closes, I guess.
In reality, the Internet is for pornography.
It presumably makes it easier to quickly switch between porn-free and porn-full subscription sets.
I say “Presumably”, because I’m above all that… here on my non-porn account.
Plus…there’s probably someone here who carefully separates their Linux Lemmys into one account and their railway and mass transit news Lemmys into another.
Good to know!
Most do yes, since that’s how Lemmy works in general
The default web frontend has no such provision. If SDF is down I have to go and navigate to my backup instance like a peasant.
Maybe I should switch to an app. The only trick is that I’ll have to hack it a little bit to make sure it always launches over Tor. Unless I get on Qubes soon.
Well yeah a web front-end wouldn’t have that as it’s intrinsically tied to the instance lol
I know. I was slightly butthurt at the suggestion I’m Lemmying wrong, though. Without third party software, movement between instances isn’t seamless right now, just possible.
Oh, lol definitely didn’t mean to imply that haha, was just saying all the apps I’ve tried (I literally only use mobile to access Lemmy) have the ability to add and swap between accounts on different instances :)
I’m new to this but I’ve found Voyager has served me really well so far. I have two accounts now lemm.ee is going.
Does it provide a way to sync subscriptions across as well?
I believe so. If you click the cog wheel (settings) in voyager and scroll down you have an option to backup / restore and I would assume you could use that?
Might i recommend lemmynsfw.com?
sdf.org instance is awesome.
Y’all have a Gemini page too right?
