cross-posted from: https://hcommons.social/users/adachika192/statuses/114611927184686873
Pro-Israel Figures Threaten to Kill Greta Thunberg Over Gaza Aid Mission - Quds News Network (2025-06-02)
https://qudsnen.co/pro-israel-figures-threaten-to-kill-greta-thunberg-over-gaza-aid-mission/
------>> … Greta Thunberg is facing a wave of violent threats by pro-genocide individuals after joining a Gaza-bound aid flotilla. Pro-Israel figures have called for her death or harm as she sails to challenge Israel’s siege on the devastated territory.
>> Republican Senator Lindsey Graham posted on X: “Hope Greta and her friends can swim!”…
#StopIsrael #StopGenocide #FreedomFlotilla
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Looks like the fatwa’s on the other foot.
Man, if the holocaust happened today, turns out most people would actually be on team holocaust. Wait, that’s exactly whats happening…
Most people in the west you mean. Most people in the world are very much against Israel and it’s genocide. I think we forget this.
If you live in the west you can feel alone in caring about the suffering. You just feel alone in the west.
I don’t think it’s most people. Opinions outside of Israel have largely shifted against it even in the US. Politicians often misrepresent their constituents on this one. At least that’s what it looks like in some polls I’ve seen.
They’re attempting to astroturf a Holocaust. People aren’t on board but the rich goombas are.
Emphasis on “rich” here. History has shown that genocide is always followed by claiming and then divvying up the resources once held by the displaced/dead. That’s always a rich-man’s game.
A line from Rage Against the Machine’s “Darkness”
They say they’ll kill them off, take their land and go there for vacation
Good thing Luigi’s mansion is common man’s game.
genocide is always followed by claiming and then divvying up the resources once held by the displaced/dead.
Like this
So you’re saying the favor should be returned- reciprocated, even.
I like that idea.
Yeah, the debates seems to be mostly people questioning if it is war crimes or genocide, different experts and different organizations have different conclusions, although it seems more conclusions are shifting towards genocide.
Opinions outside of Israel have largely shifted against it even in the US.
Not in Congress. Not on Wall Street. No where the power congeals. We’re hitting the end-stage of the War on Terror. Western states are not going to be happy until the entire Muslim world is cowed or exterminated.
Of course, but the disconnect growing on this coincides with the disconnect on other important issues and things are eventually coming to a head.
People who vote for nazis/murderers are complicit. Politicians are elected, so the “constituents” do not get to wash the blood from their hands. They are just as guilty.
“even the US” bro they have been feeding their people milk and cheese tobacco and lies for decades because it’s how you get rich, it’s literally a country where you can be a politician, decide to give you money, there’s nothing over there that has ever represented what actual people want for 50 years, they’re having a civil class war and the rich won long ago, megacorps decide what the people want
I see you’re also a Climate Town enjoyer. 😄
If there was only one person on earth I could choose to marry it would be that guy
The Israeli government doesn’t represent everyone who follows the Jewish faith. Jewish practitioners (especially abroad) shouldn’t be assumed to be complicit unless they claim or are shown to be.
Yeah, no shit.
No one implied otherwise here, and speaking of here, you’re rather preaching to the choir, don’t you think?
That may be; I know nothing. But somebody just posted something like “Jews of lemmy, how is your family on Israel / Gaza?” And most said their families were all very pro Israeli government / Zionist. It sounded a lot like most were complicit.
Here it is, and it is a bit better than when I saw it first, but still…
If you don’t think Israel’s propaganda campaign extends to lemmy I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
What? I’m not saying anything like that. But… if you’re offering, I wouldn’t mind checking out that bridge.
And most said their families were all very pro Israeli government / Zionist. It sounded a lot like most were complicit.
Impressive research effort!
Who said that the government represent all jews? Governments set up country policies. When we say israel of course we mean israeli governments Israel since it’s creation policies was to oppress, steal land kill and rape palestinians.
The fact that you choose tocsay this bs comment instead of those activists risk to die from israel terrorism show how tou don’t care about those people and the activists
Who said that the government represent all jews?
Said government says it, and jewish non-Israelis are barely heard disputing that. I don’t know if it’s them or the media not giving them equal voice, but one or the other is essentially promoting Netanyahu as spokesperson for everything jewish.
I don’t know if it’s them or the media not giving them equal voice,
then educate yourself and stop speculating
That is completely true and also unlikely to matter.
I was born 3 decades after the end of WWII. By that point Germany and Austria had gone through great lengths to repudiate the policies of the Nazis. They had paid massive reparations. They had issued numerous official and unofficial apologies. The monuments of the Nazis were torn down in favor of memorials for their victims. That didn’t stop other kids from calling me a Nazi as soon as they found out I spoke German. To this day people are comfortable making Nazi jokes about random Germans (see Oliver Zeidler).
Similarly, we have evidence that the vast majority of sexual assaults are committed by a small number of repeat offenders. That doesn’t stop the repeated mantra of, “Not all men but always a man.”
Many people, particularly in Asia, are offended that the Nazis turned the Swastika into a symbol of hatred. Most people are aware that the Nazis stole the symbol but you really can’t wear one without risking a fight, even if you have the little dots in it.
It doesn’t matter if they should or shouldn’t be assumed to be complicit; they will. People around the world will see the Star of David as a symbol of death and destruction for generations.
Indeed, while Israel is indeed a Jewish country, it does not represent all Jews, nor do all Jews agree with the way the Israeli behave. Condemning Israel is justified, hating all Jews because of Israel is not.
Not most people, most bots
Then why are all the governments collectively punishing people for speaking out? I’m sure there is some astroturfing, but I know a number of people who have some weird opinions on this bcz they get their news from conservative sources.
I think the only bad thing about the Holocaust was that Germany did it. Germany threatened established colonial powers. They threatened international order. Therefore the Holocaust is a terrible thing and Germany had to be stopped.
When the good guys do a Holocaust it’s not bad anymore.
Edit: I mean as far as most people use it.
If you do a holocaust then you’re not one of the good guys. It’s pretty simple.
They’re clearly not speaking from their own perspective.
Yeah. People misunderstand your comment’s viewpoint, but it’s accurate.
The allies have retconned their WWII history as brave defenders of modern society and freedom when in reality they did not intervene for anyone’s sake but their own. Least of all the Jews’. Tons of advocates for eugenics and phrenology along vocal fascists like Henry Ford in the US, imperialist ambitions towards non-western countries, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact…
You actually think that? Please tell me it’s just poorly phrased.
I’m sure he only means it as “this is the shitty way the world actually works”. Not that he personally believes it himself.
If that were the case I’d hope they would try to be clearer.
The “@[email protected] is a giant asshole” reading is much, much easier than the “@[email protected] thinks the world sucks” reading, for me at least. The second reading takes some mental gymnastics for me.
Hoping you’re right, but not convinced. Also giving a lot of side-eye.
i don’t agree with the original comment bc it is pessimistic reductionism but i think you and the people dogging on it severely lack media literacy and critical thinking skills, as kindly as that can be stated.
in what way is the former reading more likely than the latter??
you need to make far more assumptions about the original comment and commenter to come to the conclusion that he made the comment out of some weird bigoted malice than to just accept the obvious reading of it being a commentary on global society’s attitudes towards various genocides.
jesus fucking christ i see this shit all over the internet and it is why our society is collapsing. just droves of people behaving and thinking in ways that would fucking abhor a literature teacher from even just a decade ago.
Hard agree. And many folk forget, English is not everyone’s first language.
It’s janky phrasing, but after a reread, it makes sense.
I’m personally scared for what the future holds, we are living in a post-Enlightenment society.
At the risk of sounding a little chud-y… we are tasked with the same challenge people like Newton or Spinoza dealt with in life; we need to rebuild meaning, reason, and thought from first principles in a way that is amicable to the modern order.
People, like those that we’re seeing in action here, probably think Modest Proposal is actually encouraging the audience to eat children. It’s a serious problem.
When someone says “I think the only bad thing about the Holocaust was that Germany did it” they need to do a fair amount of work to clarify that they do not mean that literally. Otherwise, I will be inclined to take them at their word.
of course he means it literally?
that’s why i think, as i said, his comment is reductionist. the key word is
I think the only bad thing…
he’s just trying to draw an edgy hyperbolic narrative that the world only cares about the Holocaust in particular not because it is a genocide but because it threatened the international status quo. he’s wrong, but he’s not a nazi, at least as far as i can tell from his singular comment. i won’t come up to bat for the original commenter, he very well could be a bigot or a nazi. i don’t have enough context to know as a reader. his use of leftist diction and the way he wields it is a pretty strong indicator that this was his intended thesis, on top of obvious contextual clues.
man fuck idek what else to say. your response here is purely reactionary, you aren’t even saying anything other than reaffirming things you’ve already said.
The fact that you’re stopping to read what the person said and form a charitable interpretation of it instead of just leaping down their throat while smashing your phone / keyboard with rage is commendable.
Ignoring the actual content / intended meaning of what they said the moment THIS right here disappears from Lenny is the moment it’s dead.
I mean, if they actually think the holocaust was hunky dory then fuck them, but I agree it’s probably just poorly phrased.
It is a holocaust, essentially.
Way too many folks that enjoy genocide these days.
Qudsnen.co: “Quds News Network (QNN) is the largest independent and comprehensive Palestinian youth electronic news network.”
I wish people would provide at least this brief information on the “sources” they link to. This really helps to assess the alleged credibility and objectivity.
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Can we all agree. A certain percentage of Zionists people. Are blood thirsty monsters? And they should be taken out before they can harm other people. Preferably put in prison.
Same with other side right?
A certain percentage of all humans with personal causes are blood thirsty monsters.
Yes, but most bloodthirsty monsters don’t get to use advanced military weapons and don’t receive billions in aide to seek blood
Basically we need to stop being captain america and lean towards being the punisher.
A certain percentage of all people are bloodthirsty monsters, especially when it comes to people unlike themselves.
And anyone who thinks this problem is caused by no one trying to use a bomb, gun, or flamethrower to solve it is the biggest idiot in planet earth.
Is that percentage 100%? Because any desire to take land without any respect for the ones living there for thousands of years has a certain… Lebensraum ambience attached to it
While I agree, why so much punctuation?
I’m a terrible writer.
But a great panda.
It might be voice to text. It sometimes gets carried away.
That “certain percentage” is 100%.
I would say the same thing about the J word. But you get banned if you say the J word. So Zionist it is.
“A certain percentage of rhombuses have four equal sides.”
“I think that percentage is 100.”
“I would say the same about rectangles, but you get banned if you say rectangles. So rhombuses it is.”
Not all rectangles are rhombuses. And not all rhombuses are rectangles. Don’t be racist and you won’t get banned.
You don’t get banned for saying “Jews”. You WILL get banned for saying the Jews should be exterminated, or that “100% of Jews…”
We do not tolerate hate speech, no matter who it’s directed at.
To my understanding Jew is not perjorative but could be in context eg if offense is obviously intended or if mention of ethnicity or religion is otherwise irrelevant.
Correct, there’s nothing perjorative about “Jews”, but the overall context can be concerning.
People get all hot and bothered and start conflating “Jews” with “Israelis” and “Zionists”.
You can be a non-Israeli Jew. You can be a non-Jewish Zionist, they don’t all mean the same thing.
It sure feels like any disagreement with a certain group. Gets you banned.
It’s more that pretending certain groups are a monolith, or really pretending anything is something it’s not, to justify hate speech is banned. Sure, it’s easy to pretend that all Jews are Zionists (ergo all Jews are pro-genocide) but it’s demonstrably untrue and just lazy thinking.
Most Jewish people are pro Israel and amongst those who are most religious or Orthodox most rises to an overwhelming majority.
This isn’t pretending an ethic group has negative characteristics from a stereotype this is acknowledging an actual view most in a group have.
Most Americans are pro Christianity. Even if you view Christianity negatively it’s ok to say Americans are infatuated with the trappings if not the actual virtues of Christianity because it’s true even if this isn’t true of every single one of us.
Right, but “most” is not “monolith.” There’s around 16 million jews worldwide, so even if 90% of jews are pro-zionist that’s still over a million non-zionist jews. List of Jewish anti-Zionist organizations. Generalizations about groups of people are harmful even if they’re true, because it’s unfair to the those who don’t fit the generalization.
You’re welcome to disagree, just don’t make hateful statements.
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Fuck off Nazi, anyone with sense knows the difference between Zionism and Jews.
anti-zionist jews are some of the loudest voices and most crucial organizers of resistance against the zionist occupation of palestine. fuck right off you antisemitic piece of shit.
I’m not an anti-Semite. I’m from a similar tribe as Jewish people. I just have family who lived through their own genocide and I have no patience for people perpetrating genocide in the this modern era. If I can’t be objective against this group for what I have anecdotally experienced. Then what do you call that? Because that’s not free speech. I don’t call people names or call them slurs.
A: what exactly is a “similar tribe as Jewish people”? Like, Arabic? Cause that doesn’t exactly preclude being racist against Jews…
B: my man, you literally just said that all Jews are blood thirsty monsters, and they should be taken out before they can harm other people. You can’t seriously think you can somehow flip that around as some sort of enlightened anti-genocide platform.
I am not who you replied to, but my guesses:
A: Romani B: The post they were replying “100%” to specified zionists.
While I do not agree 100% of zionists are bloodthirsty monsters I do believe any people who claim some holy right to a land are inevitably going to commit atrocities to take or defend their magic dirt.
I’m gonna attach a screenshot so you can see that yes, the post they were replying to did indeed say Zionists, and they made it about all Jews. Not sure what exactly you’re trying to say with point B.
Armenian. Our genetics show up as Jewish on 23 and me because we are similar tribes from wayyyyyyyyyy back. I also had my entire male side of my family killed in the Armenian genocide. And my aunts turned into slave sex workers for the Turks.
Friendly reminder that even being Jewish doesn’t preclude being racist against Jews.
To be clear, you’re saying that you would say that 100% of Jews should be “taken out,” except that this would get you banned?
Absolutely not. I would say zionists need to be stopped judiciously. Through the human rights courts and other organizations. This is all their making. We need to stop them before they start a nuclear war.
If Mossad had been given orders to kill her, she wouldn’t have made it to the boat. (It’d have been a “hit-and-run accident”, or a previously undiagnosed allergy or something. The people speculating that Mossad assassinated her would be dismissed as cranks, and would be right entirely by coincidence.)
Lol, people should stop thinking that intelligence agencies are all powerful. They fumble and fuck up stuff all the time.
That said, the current Israeli government under the current political situation might very well arrange this basically as a public execution, knowing that western media will present it in the right light for them.
You’re over-estimating the Mossad. ALL the previous assassinations were carried out in a primitive way and got linked back to them in a short time.
That’s availability bias. Do you know how many they carried out that weren’t discovered as such?
No I don’t, do you?
You could use this logic on anything and it gets ridiculous rather quickly.
Should I assume also that Mozambique intelligence carried out a gazillion sophisticated stealth assassinations that none of us has discovered yet? we don’t have the count too, right?
(I can list some much more ridiculous examples, this logic doesn’t work, here’s the alternative: 0 evidence so far of any of that happened -> it’s safe to assume it never did until proven wrong)
Should I assume also that Mozambique intelligence carried out a gazillion sophisticated stealth assassinations that none of us has discovered yet?
No, but if you claimed that they never carried out a single one specifically with the argument that none was ever discovered you’d be falling for the same logical fallacy.
Also, compared to Mozambique, you know that Israel has far higher technological capabilities, a certain international backing and is in semi constant war alternating between cold and hot with most of it’s neghbour states, which makes one more likely to have both the need and the means to have successfully carried out secret killings than the other.
Especially since x (too lazy to research right now) assassinations by Mossad were discovered and linked to them, so you know they do kill people. And from there you basically claim they get discovered 100% of the time. Which is ridiculous.
That’s a very weird logic. If I claim I have super powers and there are 0 documented cases of me doing anything super natural, you have to be the one to prove I don’t have such super powers??
You see how ridiculous this sounds? I am saying it gets ridiculous really quick.
If I claim I have super powers and there are 0 documented cases of me doing anything super natural,
Is it somehow hard for you to understand that there literally cannot be documented cases of Mossad killing someone and not being linked to it, because as soon as they were documented cases, they would be linked to it?
What theoretical evidence would you even need to believe in them being able to kill someone in secret?
Furthermore, your comparison doesn’t hold water because you’re turning the logic on it’s head. You are the one claiming Clark Kent does not have superpowers because there are lots of documented cases of him taking the bus instead of super-flying to where he wants to be.
Mozambique intelligence carried out way more sophisticated super secret stealth assassinations in collaboration with aliens and you cannot prove they didn’t happen.
Sen. Lindsay Graham among the threats
Yeah I feel like years ago someone would have had to step down from their position and quit politics in shame for such a dishonorable statement.
Hoping someone shoots missiles and sinks civilians trying to feed the poor. What a terrible soul.
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If only some.countries was brave enough to bring security to those type of ships
May a million Greta’s protect our. Greta on this mission for pace.
Wow, that’s a pretty insane reaction, why would they say something like th- Oh, I see, they say shit like that all the time and almost no one calls them out on it? They’d kill her with impunity if she were even slightly darker-skinned, and will brook no interference with their ethnic cleansing? It’s a good thing that the ICC is at least reining them in befo- oh, they’ve also been largely impotent to stop the bloodbath from flying off the rails?
This is doing so much harm to the climate cause it’s crazy
That’s not fun at all.
Holy shit, I think I stumbled upon an archaeological internet site!
You know what would hurt the climate cause? Not caring about a genocide
It’s not like her international protesting license is limited to only climate change. You can dedicate 3 months out of a year to other forms without having to pay for the dual pretest license.
Good. This means Greta is doing the right thing. Also, it’s about time she’s back in the spotlight, and not some minor footnote when talking about activism events.
I’m gonna be so devastated if she dies…
Time to get a flamethrower
