So… No one in here has tried to learn Mandarin in here huh?
Let’s talk about Hanji, heck worse let’s talk about:
四是四，十是十，十四是十四，四十是四十；
谁把十四说“十适”，就打他十四；
谁把四十说“适十”，就打他四十Which is pronounced like:
sì shì sì, shí shì shí, shísì shì shísì, sìshí shì sìshí;
shéi bǎ shísì shuō “shíshì”, jiù dǎ tā shísì,
shéi bǎ sìshí shuō “shìshí”, jiù dǎ tā sìshí.Oh this is the lion rock pasta cave thing?
I don’t know all the words in this, but I doubt it; it’s a classic Chinese tongue twister.
The first line translates to "four is four, ten is ten, fourteen is fourteen, forty is forty. On the second & third line it’s something along the lines of “whoever says 40/14 says <X>, <sth> 40/14”, as far as I can tell.
Spoiler
No, I don’t want to use a translator, where’s the fun in that?
Oohh thanks
I’ve found the poem, I thought it was this one because of the amount of "shi"s. But yours is way bigger
Yeah, so that last bit is supposed to be
“If someone says 14 like 40 hit them 14 times, if they say 40 like 14, hit them 40 times.”Ooh nice, thanks :)
I recognized 打 as something on the lines of hitting or striking, but wasn’t sure if it actually had that meaning here, or something (seemingly) unrelated as in 打的.
This is China-nese. Original Chinese, its
四是四，十是十，十四是十四，四十是四十； 誰把十四說“十適”，就打他十四； 誰把四十說“適十”，就打他四十
Thank you for helping my point. Also… Aaaaaa… Why is the so many characters?!
Its honestly only a handful of characters.
No I mean the minor difference ones. Or how I am supposed to memorize 5000 hanzi to be considered college literate. This is a bunch of repeating but good Lord there is a lot of individual characters out there.
It’s sorta like memorizing the word encyclopedia. I’m sure if there were a handful of letters missing or wrong you could still read it. Because you don’t memorize the letters but what it looks like. Exactly how Chinese works.
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Think I found the version Lemmy really wants
My favorite has to be “read” (to read a book) and “read” (previously read a book)
What about the fact that ‘set’ has several hundred different definitions?
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I remember when I was a kid and we started learning foreign languages in school. My class got divided into two halves, ones that study English and other that study German. Few month later I was walking down the street with my classmate and he went like:
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Oh, so you’re studying English, huh? What does DUHR mean?
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What?
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DUHRR
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Oh, you mean door? It’s spelled do-o.
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Bro, there’s an R in there and two O’s. DUHR. Even I know that, and I’m not even the one studying English. If door was do-o, then would you spell TOH DOH as “to do”?
Little did the bro know… I hope he at least got German well enough, AFAIK there’s little bullshit like that
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Lol in Polish
Mandarin
50 000 characters used to live here
Bitch please:
Skildvagtslymfeknudeundersøgelse
Welcome to Danish.
“Sentinel lymph node examination.” Probably not a word that comes up much day-to-day.
Nope, but it does come up if you get tested for breast cancer.
Point is, that yacht isn’t a difficult word at all. Especially not if you’re European, since the word for yacht in many European languages is… yacht.
I think it’s a Germanic vs. Latin-based thing, since “yacht” is Germanic in origin.
true, but most European languages will pronounce it “ya-cht” and not… “yot”
Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän. Actual word for an actual job that existed until 1991. Welcome to German.
German is wild! I never managed to get I to stick.
What does that mean
Skipper for steamship companies on the Danube.
eh people always point to German but they just use compound words more often. if you know the parts that make up the word it shouldn’t be hard to parse.
that makes german easier than most other languages, for example french, where they just invent new sounds to fuck with foreigners and use a new or loanword for any complex situation, instead of just compounding the information
I mean I have no idea what that means but I bet it breaks down into something resembling a good descriptor. English causes issues with four letter words with two O’s in the middle.
It’s a medical term or word or whatever. But it is not easy to pronounce at all. That’s the thing with Danish. We have a lot of letters that are silent or changes sound depending on what letters they are next to and sometimes just because.
Even if you have skildvagtslymfeknudeundersøgelse broken down for you, I doubt you’d be able to pronounce it correctly because several repeat letters in that word are pronounced differently and some of them are silent.
Words like: ord, ost, mos, mos and orden all have vastly different ways of pronouncing the o and mos and mos are completely different words with completely different pronunciations where you can literally only tell which one it is based on context in the text. By themselves, you will not know.
Every language has their little quirks like that, but everybody knows how to pronounce yacht as yacht is the word for fancy boat in many languages. The post above is basically like being impressed that a foreigner knows how to pronounce “okay”.
Fascinating- I don’t speak Danish but I can _almost_read that. Enough to assume it has to do with thyroids and lymph nodes.
It is a medical word for getting tested for breast cancer. I didn’t bring it up because it is a difficult word to understand, but because it is difficult to pronounce correctly without stumbling over it. Yacht is not difficult in any way since our word for yacht is also yacht and because the spellings and sounds are pretty common in for example German, which is another language we are being taught from an early age.
Of course, all languages and their difficulties are relative depending on where in the world you live, but if you’re European, especially western European, then it is pretty silly to be impressed that people can pronounce yacht.
Having a long word like skildvagtslymfeknudeundersøgelse is a lot more tricky since it’s a bit of a tongue twister to pronounce and if you aren’t well versed in Danish, you will also not know when or how to pronounce each letter, as several of them have different sounds or no sounds at all at different places in the word. That is why I brought it up.
I see your Danish and raise you a German bureaucracy:
Rindfleischettikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz
It means: Law for the transfer of the task of the monitoring of the labelling of beef.
Hottentottententententoonstelling in Dutch. It means hottentot tent exhibition
Elektriciteitsproductiemaatschappij or basically electricity producing company.
I prefer “angstschreeuw” as word to annoy foreigners with. 7 consonants in a row!
I mean, ‘sch’ is basically one consonant
It’s the same word in my native language.
Also, how do you pronounce ‘stingy’… ‘Raphael’…
“Raphael” is of Hebrew origin. Can’t fault English for that one.
Can’t really fault English for nearly all of it.
Much of the difficulty comes from the fucked-up French language, courtesy of the Norman Invasion in 1066.
So we’re talking about a nearly 1000-year old thing here.
Oiseau
Oh hi Mark
its funny how people hold that word as a super complicated and incomprehensible word even tho it’s perfectly regular and follows basic rules
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That’s because when you learn a foreign language correctly, you start with boat or ship and add subdivisions of those as your command of the language improves. You can fuck up a lot and still be understood too. People who are native English speakers have a tendency to get hung up on using languages correctly instead of just using them. The question “when you boat go water?” is the same as " when does your yacht set sail?" But much easier to say when you dont have a large vocabulary.
Also having a bunch of people who understand your native language doesn’t incentivise you to learn. It’s something I notice a lot with people who come over from Eastern and central Europe. Some of them will have almost no vocabulary and then a couple of months later can hold a conversation and are pretty fluent within the year. Whereas a Brit can live in Spain for a decade and stil only know a couple of sentences in Spanish.
Very true. I was born in Brazil and thus learned Portuguese as my first language. Then moved to the US when I was five. My parents sat me down in my grandparent’s basement and taught me English, it had to be done quick as school was starting very soon. Many years later I would return to Brazil and spent three months there. Starting with crude vocabulary and building it up as I went, over hundreds of interactions. The best way to learn a language, is out of necessity. Whether it really does hinge on you being able to communicate with others or if self-imposed. I wish more people saw it as something that must be done. Unfortunately, Google Translate enables laziness.
I think people from places that use idiographic languages that have to be transliterated probably actually have an easier time with English orthography than people whose language uses a Roman script and is pronounced phonetically. People who are used to puzzling through the layer of abstraction/obfuscation that sometimes ambiguous transliterations will have can see that English orthography is almost always substantially different than its pronunciation.
TL;DR: it’s easier for a Chinese person to learn to read English aloud than a person from Romania, but the European would have studied it in school either somewhat or a lot
As a Hungarian I can confirm. We mostly read words letter-by-letter. No weird shit like “rebel” and “rebel” sounding different because one is a noun, other is a verb 🤡
Or “queue”, are you drunk, English? And the native speakers’ favourite mixups, “there” and “their”, “it’s” and “its”.
You can blame the French for “queue”, it was like that when we got it.
I can hear a word in Spanish and immediately know how to spell it. I can read a word in Spanish and know how to pronounce it. We can only dream of doing that in English.
Yeah but in English you can be self-satisfyingly smug about changing your spelling whether the original post is British, Canadian, American, Australian, or New Zealand English, even though nobody will notice or give a shit.
