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Had a discussion with my wife’s parents the other day. They thought it was hilarious. They laughed, alternating between mockery of the poor and “nobody helped me so everybody should suffer!”
She said maybe it’s time to go no-contact.
Going no contact is a lot easier than it sounds: the biggest issue is “them” not respecting your new boundaries.
My biggest piece of advice is to never respond to them. The ‘keeping silent and ghosting’ part can be a challenge.
Ultimately, though, you owe them nothing but your happiness.And delete your Facebook account. It’s just generally better for your mental health, it aids in stopping the cycle of billionaires feeding everyone information by whoever pays them. And then it stops unwanted contact from family. They can still post about you, but they’re screaming into an empty void of data centers at that point
It’s tough. Years of upbringing makes it hard for her to not respond, but even in the best of times they were conservative nuts. But sure, not everybody likes their family’s political views, right? They went full Nazi during his first term. Now, they don’t even try to hide it and openly admit that they agree with everything happening.
some in-laws are such terrible people once you get to know them. but the IL are the on the recieving ends of the cuts in the bbb, they are getting exactly what they wanted, they are just copium. i had cousins that after the astroworld crush, they were sitll “investing” in that venue, how immoral you have to be to do that, they would be the same people that would work for palintir because of money. asians are quite disconnected from politics/current events.
Here’s to hoping leopards feast on their faces soon!
Didn’t vote for it isn’t good enough. 90M people didn’t vote. We needed 2M more to vote against it. Remember this when the midterms come around next fall.
We also need a political party that also understands this. The entrenched democratic advisers lost 2 times to Trump and I havent seen any mass firing. If anything, the establishment dems are attacking anyone trying to change.
It doesn’t work like that. I’ve been saying this for decades, but maybe this explanation from a political strategist will do a better job.
Simply put, the donors want to win to influence the candidates. They base their data on past voters, not the entire electorate. If you don’t vote, you don’t influence. It’s really always been that simple.
We need to stop rewarding those who have the financial means to reach us in our living rooms, and actively seek out the progressives in every primary. Vote in every election. Stop allowing retirees to pick our candidates and continue to push the Overton Window to the right.
I definitely agree with your last paragraph here. Try to vote in progressives in every primary we have access to in order to use voting to make a difference, yes.
However,
the donors want to win
You mean they want everything for themselves by buying politicians, right? Because often times Dem strategy is so incredibly tone deaf the only thing that’s clear about it is that they aren’t trying to win an election, they’re simply doing what the donors tell them to do. In this case, it’s the classic pretend fight, send strongly worded letters, and then let the republicans narrowly pass the massive tax break for the rich. Which is in fact a win for the donors, but nobody else.
That’s not the case if we get behind candidates with good ethics in grassroots campaigns. They choose to accept donations, and can refuse contributions from unsavory donors. We have several clean donor Representatives in the house. It’s not impossible. It just takes our participation.
What do you think fascism is, and what are its causes?
Do you seriously think the German descent into fascism was a result of poltical apathy?
I’m not entertaining a philosophical debate with someone who equates Harris and Trump.
We can try again when you’re older.
But that video basically tells you straight-out… the usual campaign strategies are clearly wrong. You put out a campaign that gets people excited and suddenly way more people get out to vote. It’s not a complicated theory. It clearly works in practice.
All of this conversation though, just shows how fucking poor democracy based around voter turnout is. Put elections on a weekend or make it a public holiday, and make voting mandatory (with the option of a blank ballot for those who really object to voting). It doesn’t solve all your problems. But it sure does help a lot.
Bruh. If you voted, they’d cater their advertising to you. The candidates are still there, you’re not voting for them, and blaming the lack of advertising. That’s like blaming lettuce for not advertising salads and complaining about always eating McDonald’s.
Do you want to take control of your government or not?
I vote. I’m not American, in case my instance name didn’t give it away. I’d vote even if I didn’t want to, because it’s mandatory to do so, one of several vast improvements my country has over yours in the quality of our democratic processes.
But did you watch the video you linked in the last comment? Because it completely turns your argument on its head. You say “if you voted, they’d cater to you”. But that video clearly demonstrates that the exact inverse is true. If you want to get out the vote in a large segment of the Zero Primes, all you have to do is run as exciting campaign with bold progressive policies. The evidence is all laid out there in front of you, even in common sense couldn’t get you there.
Of course that’s all the donors have to do. That’s how we get a wolf in sheep’s clothing. We need grassroots primary candidates, and they run all the time. We just don’t do our civic duty and vote in every election.
To give you an idea of how bad it’s gotten, the average turnout for congressional primaries is less than 15% for the last 30 years. That’s why we have this government. We’ve been letting retirees pick conservative centrist Democrats and push the Overton Window to the right for decades.
Edit: You’re going to downvote my factual information in favor of your disenfranchising bullshit? Bruh. You don’t even go here.
You’re going to downvote my factual information in favor of your disenfranchising bullshit? Bruh. You don’t even go here.
Nope. I didn’t even see your comment until after the edit. I am going to downvotes because of the edit, though. Probably woulda upvoted otherwise.
Both things can be true.
A good campaign can get people into the voting booth.
A demographic that fails to show up when you think you’ve done everything that makes sense to get them out can cause them to give up on the demographic. They may be woefully misinformed about what they should be doing, but since they don’t know any better, they are likely to just give it up as a lost cause.
Show up in the primaries for the candidate you want, it’s the only realistic way to break the chicken and egg of the establishment ignoring the voters that don’t show up and the voters not showing up for the establishment that ignores them. If the establishment is surprised by the primary outcome, that’s the strongest wakeup call for them.
I’m not sure why you’re so hell bent on keeping a strategy that objective reality shows doesn’t work. DNC needs to evolve or they will die.
They absolutely do. That happens as soon as we start voting in primaries.
I saw a great quote somewhere that said something like, “You will understand modern American politics if you realize that GOP politicians fear their voters and Democratic politicians don’t fear their voters.”
A lot of progressives and leftists use this as an excuse to not vote and act like withdrawing from politics means they’re not complicit. What they don’t realize is that is exactly what creates this atmosphere where the Dems cater more and more to the center and right to get votes.
Not to mention the general atmosphere like we have on this very thread where the left eats itself alive and divides itself with purity tests that could never work in reality.
If you don’t vote, you don’t influence.
That’s the stupidest strategy you could have when you know WHY a lot of people aren’t voting at all. The only purpose of this strategy is to participate in the degradation of voting shares, and by extension, fascism. You want new votes, you get new people to vote, and you know how to do that. The GOP figured it out (I don’t want to say Trump figured it out).
The purpose is you have to stop supporting bad parties from somewhere, otherwise you can be coerced into voting against your interests every single time.
It had to end at some point. Now there is a socialist candidate.
How do you think the GOP got those candidates in the election? They enter through primaries. We don’t need to figure it out. We have the goddamn answer. We just need to vote in primaries and stop allowing retirees to pick corporate centrists for us.
Look at the Cuomo / Mamdani primary for NY mayor, the DNC really tried to kill the socialist campaign. Most primaries like that don’t get that much support against the “old guard” among Democrats, so most of the time, the actual good non-centrist option gets swept away like dust. The work that’s needed to push a socialist through the primary is so much more than “you just need to get out and vote” because those like Cuomo have so much more weight to shut them down, it’s so rare for that to fail like this.
They didn’t try to kill anything. They just didn’t put support behind Mamdani. If we did our civic duty and voted in every primary, the candidates that represent us, like Mamdani, would always be in the general election.
We can’t keep blaming big lettuce for not advertising salads while buying McDonald’s every day. We know it’s out there. Go get some lettuce.
what we need is for people to start exercising their second amendment rights
There’s no way to vote against something that both candidates support (eg. genocide).
Your insistence on seeing black and white in a gray world will be your end.
Unfortunately it’s also my end.
They didn’t vote for trump, but they sure as hell voted for this.
You’re the one stuck in black and white thinking. Any Democrat is better than any Republican, by definition. You would canvass for Mussolini if his opponent was Hitler.
That’s entirely false. Read my comment history. I spend most of my time on Lemmy trying to engage people in the primary process to unseat the corporate centrists.
Regarding the 2024 election, the Palestinians had two options. Bad, and worse. By refusing to choose, they were going to get worse. People like you would rather not put their names on bad, and let the Palestinians get worse, so they’d have a clear conscience.
I have no respect for the self-righteous.
You still don’t have any red lines though. There’s nothing a candidate could do, no behavior so monstrous, no atrocities so grand that would ever make you not vote for the lesser of two evils. Again, you would vote for Mussolini if he was running against Hitler.
If not, where is your red line? What would a Democrat have to do before you would refuse to vote for them, regardless of who they were running against?
I’m not entertaining a philosophical debate with someone who equates Mussolini and Hitler.
We can try again when you’re older.
[email protected], c. 1939
There’s nothing a candidate could do, no behavior so monstrous, no atrocities so grand that would ever make you not vote for the lesser of two evils.
Yeah that’s basic moral judgement. You realize that the alternative to the lesser evil is the greater evil, yeah? For as grand and magnificent as the atrocities you’re talking about are, the existence of a greater evil implies even grander and more magnificent atrocities. Given a choice between “grand and magnificent atrocities,” and “grander and more magnificent atrocities,” which would you choose?
Is it worth allowing the grander and more magnificent atrocities to happen just to fool yourself into thinking you had no part in it?
If they cared about genocide so much, they should have voted to prevent the one they would trigger back home.
Primaries!
If more people voted in primaries we would have probably had president Sanders instead of Trump the first time around
If 2M more voted Democrat, Musk would have donated a bit more to make up the gap. I think we’re flying past actual Democracy pretty soon. We’d need 20 million more before skewing the vote is prohibitive.
Campaign money is important, but it also has it’s limits. At some point, more spending has diminishing or even negative returns. We just saw that with Elon in Michigan.
Definitely true. But the vote can’t be close. Even if Democrats would have won without tampering, it’s way too close.
Remember when Trump wiped women and people of color from DoD and other government documents in his DEI sweep? Fucking sucks man.
It’s not just Trump. It’s the state that he operates just like his predecessor and current collaborators in both “parties”.
It’s a big mistake to assume this is some kind of break rather than a smooth continuation.
Biden did not use deportation as a weapon against legal permanent residents, green card holders, infants, and political opponents.
I think you know what you’re doing. You’re all over this thread. I just realized that all of the bullshit here is you.
Technocrit is all over every political thread, doing his best to spread apathy with the progressive voters, helping to keep the fascists in power.
He’s been slinging this same tired BS since the election, back when the Russian ops trying to get Trump elected would give him upvotes and keep him out of the red.
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Are you incapable of grasping nuance, or do you just refuse?
I’m sure that’s of great comfort to the people in concentration camps. Legit so gross to acknowledge concentration camps currently existing and being run by your own government, and somehow still making it about you.
What can the average US citizen do about concentration camps that are outside the US but controlled by the US?
2A exists for a reason
I’m doubtful that an armed US populace will be effective against the militarized police forces and literal military being deployed against Citizens.
The second amendment was more realistic when society had roughly the same fire power as the military, but not so much any more.
They have predator drones, we have AR-15’s. These are not the same.
I find this sentiment very funny, considering the United States terrible performance in asymmetrical warfare.
I don’t think we won a war against an insurgency on their own soil in…… ever?
And that’s with the benefits of untouchable supply lines, and war production, unparalleled intelligence apparatus, and the ability to print money.
Exactly. Proving you ultimately can’t control an armed populace who are willing to take up arms against you.
This all falls apart when most of the country is mass surveilled and production is automated. If only 10% of the workforce are required, it’s easier to control the 10% you need by killing the other 90%, ever shrinking the population of proles until only the < 1% remain.
That’s why fascism, billionaires, and all oligarchs must be eliminated before general AI and mass automation are realized, otherwise the 99% face genocide.
You nailed it, also why the next step for Silicon Valley is military robotics
I always find it funny when people put hope in 2a.
Sure there’s military personal that traffick weapons to the streets, cartel and Mafias… But citizens are going to need tanks, battleships, and airplanes. I want to see air craft carriers floating down the Mississippi.
so why even try to resist right? Lets just say we are sad about it
Or be smart about it… op was just being honest and realistic… That’s how you need to be when you are at war.
Did they have predator drones in Afghanistan?
Start with small groups of ICE agents?
Weapons manufacturing facilities?
Infrastructure? Hacktivism?
Economic targets?
Rich mansions?Anything’s better than shoulder-shrugging after decades of molon labe.
The number of Americans who showed up to protest in the streets on No King’s Day was at least 1 million more than the sum total of US military and police members.
Did you phrase it this way to avoid talking about the ones in the US?
At bare minimum they could not turn the existence of these camps into the opportunity to talk about how morally pure they are. Useless and obnoxious at best, callous and heartless at worst.
Forgot about the new ones popping up, so I will lump them in as well: what concrete actions can US citizens take in regards to the concentration camps being set up by their government? A government that has the largest amount of military spending on the planet, and has now started deploying that military against it’s own citizens.
You always have options.
Drones… Certain funds from the construction market… (Although, I don’t know if they stock other stores in your area.) , start hunting terrorists, Badaboom
Taking some of the millions and millions weapons in US…
But has to be done some time ago. Now ist over.
Edit: But you should definitely arm yourself and be prepared.
The Purge Real Life. Anytime between 2025-2028 in your local country. Get ready.Why are you asking me what to do when my criticism of the sentiment in the OP is that it’s self centered and cruel?
If you need to be led around by the nose, probably literally anything else is going to be better than publicly jacking yourself off about how you didn’t want this to happen. I’m sure you can think of something other than self congratulatory meme posting.
I’m asking as you’re the one complaining. Don’t bring me a dead cat without bringing me a shovel.
Never forget. /S
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I didn’t vote For this at all, but I did know when I voted that this was still the most likely outcome, regardless of whether my candidate won or not. When you are forced to pick between Hitler and Vichy France, you know you are going to lose whoever wins, it’s only a matter of time.
Of the things listed in this post, I don’t think Harris would have pursued any of those. There are other negative outcomes that may have been the same, but I don’t think any of those.
Harris wouldn’t have, no, but she would’ve left the door open for Republicans to do it anyway 4 years from now. There is a reason Democrats never stop Republicans, and never try to ensure they can’t take away our rights.
It’s fucking depressing though. I voted for Harris, went to college, worked in IT and was a good little worker, got a decent credit score, barely got a starter home…
By all accounts I did everything right. But I’m still fucked. Going to be laid off this year and this IT industry is fucked. We all are. We can’t do anything because the wealthy always win. I’m depressed most days and only find joy in reading sometimes but other hobbies don’t feel the same.
Every time I’ve voted, my candidate of choice loses. I’m powerless. I’m not well.
By all accounts I did everything right.
Maybe the actual problem is your definition of “right”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
Every time I’ve voted, my candidate of choice loses. I’m powerless. I’m not well.
Maybe you should start acting on your own instead of placing your life/future/trust in the hands of some sociopath.
What are you suggesting Americans do to survive? This is some bullshit reply.
Obviously instead of voting you should just go be president yourself.
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How is Kamala a genocider? A scum?
You have a lot of judgment and anger. You need to grow the parts of understanding, conversation, and kindness.
What kind of genres do you read? If you dig speculative fiction I’m happy to share recommendations and am happy to talk books. It’s not much, but just nerding out about stuff somtimes helps.
I used to be dogshit about reading but I’m trying to finish the Fourth Wing series. I’m on the last book.
But I noticed I generally enjoy thriller genres. Like The Silent Patient which was a thriller murder mystery.
And another thriller I liked was about a very thin haunted house. God the name escapes me.
Yes any recommendations are welcome and appreciated.
I’m not super versed in thriller but my friends have me dipping my feet into horror.
Sister, Maiden, Monster by Lucy A Snider was a favorite last year. Creepy, timely, and let’s say visceral.
I’m in the first 3rd of Perdido Street Station now from China Mieville. He’s credited with helping start the New Weird. Not horror as such but it’s marvelous.
And Light From Uncommon Stars by Ryka Aoki was just a rad read. It’s roughly about donughts, violins, and selling souls.
I’m not op, but I like speculative fiction. I was really into Ministry For The Future. I also liked Termination Shock.
What have you got?
I think it’s pretty rad that you offered to recommend books. You’re alright.
Two other favorites from last year. The Island of Dr. Moreau by H. G. Wells but you should follow it immediately with The Daughter of Dr. Moreau by S. Moreno-Garcia. It’s sort of a companion piece written by a female, indigenous author. It bookends the sci-fi by a white guy nicely.
Also, I’ll always tell people they should check out the book that is credited with starting sci-fi as a genre. Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus by Mary Shelly. It’s horror, it’s sci-fi, it’s speculative, it’s fucking awesome.
And the Blue Ant trilogy by Wiliam Gibson. He’s deff not for everyone. He can be really hard to get, and he just dumps you into his world and starts. There is no tutorial. But if he clicks for you, you’ll love it.
By not voting you did vote.
First past the post system and all of that.
I read it as they voted blue.
Considering how many enlightened geniuses said that they just couldn’t vote for Harris over Gaza… I don’t actually think that’s a safe assumption.
You don’t have to be a genius to oppose genocide, just a decent person.
And did helping Trump win helped, right? He definitely put a stop to the Israeli aggression.
Absolutely.
Unfortunately, as a result of Trump’s win, expressing that specific opinion can get you deported.
Enlightened Geniuses:
Not voting Harris was voting to strip trans rights, destroy jobs with tarrifs, entrench fascist federal judges for a generation, major intensification in climate change ,help the genocide in Ukraine, greatly help the genocide in Gaza.
I put the blame squarely on the non voter.
Edit: vote Harris in THEN protest for better changes.
michiganers protest voted against her, i think thats the place that had the most effect on her votes, everywhere else is less affected by foreign policy issues.
michagan is important because it has large muslim population, but not all muslims like palestinians, its another history behind that too.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
a qoute from a ds9 episode, during one of the dominion episodes, something along the lines “as not doing anything is as bad as supporting the occupation”- vedek
Thank you, now Rush is going to be stuck in my head.
(No seriously, thank you. Prior to this, my head was stuck with nursery rhymes.)
alot of conservatives do that, yes many dont vote at all because they cant be bothered, those are the low info voters. there are al group that will not vote for any reason simply because of jury duty summons. some people cant afford 1 day or a few weeks off, and JD doesnt compensate for your loss income, its “pathetically just giving change to homeless people”, and employers arnt legally required to do so other either, because its on the courts to pay.
Yes you did. You just convinced yourself that your team was powerless when they didn’t do anything to stop it.
Lol what should Harris have done to stop this? Please be specific.
Jesus, so many things.
- Stop simply handing out subpoenas and arrest Trumpers for ignoring them, and then go on every news show and hammer the message that Republicans are not above the law.
- Go after Joe Manchin’s daughter for being part of the leadership of a company that price gouges people for prescription drugs until he starts voting the way the party wants him to.
- Remove all of Kirsten Sinema’s committee seats so she can’t personally profit off of lobbyist cash, until she starts voting the way the party wants her to.
- Refuse to support genocide. Revoke aid to Israel.
- Have the president hold a press conference, every single day, Donald-style, where all he talks about are the things we can’t have because of the Republican-controlled Senate and hammer home the message that obstruction is the reason why food is becoming cost-prohibitive.
- Revoke any federal contracts to gun manufacturers that sell AR-15’s to public vendors, and make it very publicly clear that he will do everything he can to bankrupt gun manufacturers who do.
- Pressure RBG endlessly to retire while Obama has control of Congress.
And that’s just off the top of my head.
It’s astonishing that you’ve sat through six months of this presidency and you’re still able to gaslight yourself into believing that Dems had no power when they had the presidency and Congress. They just didn’t give enough of a shit to fight but the hardline fascists do.
Christ, Biden’s presidency did nothing meaningful except make people poorer and angrier, and made himself out to be an egotistical, demented buffoon.
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With the benefit of hindsight? Raise hell, break away from Biden, and acknowledge that our economy is not fine.
We’ve had them for over a decade at this point. They were first established and construction started during the Obama administration. During 45 AOC among a few other politicians did a performative photo-op in front of them and then that party as a whole proceeded to do nothing about them. Now we seem to have come back full-circle.
There seems to be a concerted effort to pretend that what’s happening is business as usual, and not a direct result of Trump.
Fuck outta here with that.
Hang on a second. Trump and the Republicans are obviously way more extreme, but Obama was the deporter in chief for a reason. One of the greatest terrorists in world history with the drone program. Just because Republicans are fascist lunatics doesn’t mean we shouldn’t acknowledge what led here.
Obama and Biden deported criminals, they didn’t go to fucking job sites and brutalize peaceful workers. They didn’t deport people to prisons in a third country that the person has zero connection to. They didn’t deport green card holders and legal permanent residents.
People’s memories can’t really be this short, right?
It didn’t “lead” anywhere, this is Project 2025. This is what these racist fucks were always going to do.
You don’t really seem to understand how society actually works. Liberalism leads to fascism. A Trump is an inevitability when you have decades of neoliberal reforms and barely any relief. No one is saying the two parties in the US are identical. Yes, things are worse right now! That’s not what I’m objecting to here.
Ok bud.
At least I tried to help you understand. You didn’t deserve it, but I feel better that I tried anyway.
OK, so a dude calling himself buttnugget claims he knows how society actually works, and then follows that up with the statement that “LIBERALISM LEADS TO FASCISM”
Man, when the Republicans went to work attacking and weakening the public education system, they really had their eye on the prize.
Oh, my reddit username needs to be serious? Sorry, I missed that memo because I am the direct product of No Child Left Behind. Is that about right? You are an embarrassment to the concept of rational thought.
neoliberalis and liberals are not the same thing. also, Germany was utterly fucking obliviated as punishment for starting World War 1. I feel that that had more to do with fascism taking over than politicians from a collapsed government.
I never said that neoliberals and liberals are the same thing. Obama is a neoliberal as was every president after Nixon. No idea what you’re talking about.
but they did start the “immigrant detention centers.”
They had due process.
Most of them weren’t even given the means to find lawyers.
Many of them received representation from attorneys in the immigration groups that Trump stopped funding. Oops.
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I have a relative who has been on medicaid on and off who “doesn’t pay attention to politics”. I frequently explain current events to them- like efforts to cut medicaid that may cause them to lose their coverage.
The obliviousness (or complacency, in many cases) of some people is unbelievable.
TBH I don’t want to talk to a bunch of libs who put me in a boiling pot. It’s annoying, condescending, and it does absolutely nothing to change the water temperature.
Dude nobody put you there. You were comfortable in an aquarium. You saw the boiling pot, then went and jumped in by yourself. Now you’re mad at those who warned you about the pot.
This is sending me
If only they had voted!!! It would be a totally different world!!! jfc…
Some of us are old enough to remember what things were like before Trump. Things would be completely different if Harris had won, and you’re a fucking naive child if you believe otherwise.
the “dont pay attention to politics” are the low information voters of trump, there are 2 types of conservatives: one watches fox news, or any right wing related media and consumes current events in a skewed way and somewhat up to date and the other are low info voters people who just take snippets and take the talking heads of (fox or right wing grifters like shapiro) out of the context because they dont understand the full story,
i think most are the latter, i know 2 people that are like this(still supporting ye and believing hes not actually BIPOLAR AND JUST TROLLING)
these manufacturing guilt posts would work if we were not seeing dnc sabotage mamadani to favour predatory stooges just like trump. the “blue no matter what” is only for trash candidates that superpacs want. everytime we get close to a leader that we want like bernie or aoc or mamdani, dnc shows they work for the trumps not against them.
i am not a violent person so pls suggest how we can help get aoc elected in 2029 without doing a luigi on likes of pelosi and schumer ?
does anyone really thinks that these dnc elites actually care about anyone other than themselves and the megadonor billionaires:
…you think AOC is an outsider? Oh sweet, sweet summer child, bless your heart.
she might not be an outsider but she seems to have a spine, supports the progressive cause and candidates. she is the way “lesser evil” that we should be settling for. she is also liked and respected by a lot of fringe gop voters. so there’s a good chance that in time she also get fulls house and senate majority.
I dont hear much about what she’s done for her constituents outside of social media posts attacking people or performative political actions. I dont dislike AOC but it is accurate to say she hasnt done anything of substance yet.
I will say its clear who will be running for president though, her and newsom are both extremely obvious about it.
Going after AOC for allegedly not doing anything for her constituents is pretty damn ignorant. You aren’t going to find many House members who are as engaged as she is, and her constituents are overwhelmingly pleased with her.
She is also one of maybe half a dozen House members with an effective social media game. You can belittle it as “performative” but engaging in public rhetoric is a big part of a politician’s job. I wish every Democrat advocated as well as she does.
It’s funny that you are attacking her on social media by criticizing her for attacking people on social media.
I think it’s far more likely she runs for Schumer’s seat in the Senate than the presidency. It’s pretty much her’s if she wants it.
You voted though, right? For Harris? That’s the only correct answer.
Non voters + Trump voters + Jill Stein voters brought us into this mess. I haven’t heard anything from Jill Stein, as a leader I hope she’s speaking out too to her base. ~~
I am seriously tired of hearing this shit, what point does that matter now? Are you going to change the election? Move forward, we can’t do anything about how people voted now and it’s just alienating and irritating people.
To remind people that their actions have consequences and that they need to take an active role in the democratic process if they want to preserve it.
Yup, and the whole “she wasn’t a squeaky clean and perfect candidate for me so I couldn’t vote for her in good conscience” sounds like such a fucking dumb argument in the face of what we’ve seen the other guy has done/will do.
And to the user you replied to: yes, it doesn’t do anything to change reality, but points like this should be noted so hopefully people learn. You vote so a piece of shit like Mango Mussolini doesn’t get to power and dismantle the U.S. government.
P.S. I proudly voted for Kamala Harris
“Look, I know that these people voted for you and yours to suffer, but you just need to get over that so that we can come together and be a happy family again. You not getting over that one little tiny bump in our past just alienates everyone that wanted to see your life destroyed. It was a tiny blip from our past. Just get over it already.” ~You…for the most part.
People needed to vote for the not fascist candidate in a choice between a not fascist candidate and a fascist candidate.
It’s not hard. Learn the lesson or die to fascists. People will be too dead to be alienated.
Okay. Got anything other than time travel as a solution? If not, I need you to get the fuck off the internet, go talk to some neighbors, and do a moral-action to save some neighbors lives.
Is that moral action a crime? Depends on who you ask, which state you’re in, and how you choose to do it.
I recommend dragging a full-sized cross in front of an immigrant’s door as ICE tries to raid. On camera. In Los Angeles. With bible verses burned into the wood about “love your neighbor” from KJV. Even if you have to make the cross yourself.
Maybe you’ll get a good photo op for the movement, maybe you’ll psychologically break a gestapo or four.
I’m sure you have other ideas.
If we have another election vote in it. Vote for the Democrat candidates. Fill out the ballot with a pen. No larping fan fiction necessary.
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no larping fanfiction necessary
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama
I’d rather larp on the internet than enable fash to larp at court until they can drop the facade.
This blood is on Democrats’ hands too, and I’m tired of your Team Sports mentality pretending otherwise.
if we have another election
And if we don’t? Or if its such a farce that its Russian-style ballot-stuffing?
Tell me the plan. Lemme guess… Brunch?
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48128843
And when these are the people your party will FIGHT to put on the ballot? I’m sorry, even when I do vote, I vote alone. I dont get to bring a group of almost non-voters into the line with me.
Or your party could try to… Vote Blue No Matter Who in NYC. Back the party candidate. Offer support. Embrace a platform that starts to work.
No? No real Democratic presidential primary since 2008, and we’re supposed to trust that name? Thanks Kim Jong Un.
Then again, we wouldn’t be in this mess if Trump’s 6th Amendment Right to a swift trial were respected, so his name could have been taken off the ballots in time for a real election. Thanks Obama appointed judges!
What does any of this have to do with the Democrats being the correct choice in 2024 and being the correct choice in the next two elections if we have them?
There are still people advocating for not voting after it is now clear that was the wrong choice.
(Voted for her too, btw, I’m mad her rhetoric didn’t let me bring friends)
If that’s not you then you shouldn’t have a problem with this.
And if we don’t?
Then voting wont be an option.
We’ve had real primaries since 2008.
The fact is, Democrats refuse to learn from their mistakes. Y’all Liberals refuse to learn anything from your own voters. Ever.
The fact is, your party is responsible for making Austerity politics (and mislabeling it as “abundance” with Ezra Klein) bipartisan for more than 30 years.
This strategy is how we got Trump. I don’t blame Romney for Trump - I blame Clinton ratcheting to the Right.
When Bernie can win States’ popular vote and lose it because of Party-appointed “super delegates” in 2016? That’s not fucking Democracy.
When the entire party rallied behind Biden so thoroughly that half the country didn’t even get to vote in the Primary before Biden was the presumptive Nominee in 2020? That’s not Democracy, and Bernie was arguably a Coward for not calling you on it. But… Voting out the fascist was priority. And Biden promised to be a 1-term president.
2024 - that 1-term promise? SIKE!!! Until his failing mental condition lagged out so hard that his VP took over, no voting allowed.
Fuck you. Sincerely, and deeply. You deserve Trump as much as anyone in his Simp cult. Blue Maga gave us Red Maga.
You’re fight, people don’t like hearing about the consequences of their own actions. They like sitting comfortably, pretending they did what they could to stop it
No it was the democrats who put a candidate forward so uninspiring and indifferent on many different issues that people didn’t vote for her.
People didn’t want come that had no stance against the genocide and was different from biden.
Multiple people can be at fault. The Democratic party definitely fucked up by not holding a primary, but every single person who had a ballot in front of them and decided that letting Trump win was acceptable fucked up even worse
Just give it up, theyre the same as Republicans who can’t admit they were wrong.
They’ll act like theyre morally superior while millions more die because of their vastly misplaced arrogance. More Palestians died and will die. More vulnerable people reliant on USAID will die, and rather than admitting you should try to shift left (And I agree the democratic party is center right at best) they just let the worst possible outcome happen.
Theyre not morally superior, theyre morally bankrupt and mentally deficient.
I do find Harris and the party worse. They held all the cards and stupidly decided not no give an inch. Madness.
The Democratic party could and should have done better, but that does not excuse the millions of nonvoters who saw a choice between “some people die” and “exponentially more people die” and decided to effectively flip a coin on it. You are a worse person if you flipped that coin than if you’d just decided to vote for the lower death count.
Not worse than the people perpetrating that genocide, of course. Politicians need to be honest about the Israel Palestine conflict, and influence public opinion away from supporting the genocide. All I’m saying is that that is not an excuse for allowing another genocide against the Latino population in America to happen. Not to mention whoever they’ll go after when they’re done with that.
No it was people who didn’t want to vote for Kamala Harris. Everyone who doesn’t work at the DNC needs to learn that lesson. Everyone who works at the DNC has a different set of lessons to learn. Like be a socialist and abandon neoliberalism.
The fact that we had a choice of someone other than Biden was incredible from a political standpoint. It’s laughable more people weren’t jumping at the chance to elect the candidate who wasn’t a lifelong, diehard Zionist.
The fact that we had a choice of someone other than Biden was incredible from a political standpoint. It’s laughable more people weren’t jumping at the chance to elect the candidate who wasn’t a lifelong, diehard Zionist.
My personal favorite was when a poster on here, hardly unique but emblematic of the whole fucking rot, swearing up and down that the reason they were so hard on Biden and refusing, under any circumstances, to vote for him, was because they REALLY wanted the Dems to WIN, and that the Dems wouldn’t win if Biden was in the seat (probably true). They said that they wanted to pressure the Dems into dropping Biden for someone - ANYONE else - and that they’d gladly vote for a replacement candidate against Trump - even if it was Kamala Harris!
No points for correctly guessing what happened when Harris got the nomination.
I used the ballot box and voted straight blue, yes.
Really looking like it’s time for the next box and I hate that but no nazi deserves to breathe
As a proud supporter of Claudia de la Cruz, I’m sure you’ll be pleased to know she hasn’t given up her flight: https://www.instagram.com/1claud9/, https://pslweb.org/
And the worst part?
They probably sleep sounder than you.
We need to be thinking about how 77 million Americans voted for Trump and thought that was a good idea.
And we need to work out how to prevent it from happening again.
One thing is clear, billionaires and politicians are unwilling to relinquish power or wealth, even when their holdings are obscene or they are incapable of governing.
We will have to threaten either their lives or the structures on which their holdings depend, and can’t bluff. And they will likely choose death over surrender.
We won’t prevent it until people learn to start talking to each other with compassion instead of hostility. As it stands, both sides think the other side is completely insane, and to some extent violent, and that they should not be associated with unless you are harassing them.
We’ve already burned the whole bridge down, and now need to rebuild it somehow. If republicans and democrats were separated geographically they might just split the country in two, but as it stands nearly every state has a large population of both, so in my opinion the only way forward is reconciliation.
We won’t prevent it until people learn to start talking to each other with compassion instead of hostility.
You can’t empathize with literal fascist… For two parties to reach common ground there has to be an assumption of both parties bargaining in good faith. If you continue to do that with fascist, people end up in camps.
As it stands, both sides think the other side is completely insane, and to some extent violent, and that they should not be associated with unless you are harassing them.
Well… In the last 30 years, how many mass casualties events have been perpetrated by liberal or leftist extremist? You can’t falsely conflate “both sides” when only one has a well recorded history of violence.
There is no common ground when the side you want people to compromise with wants to put me and my family in a prison camp.
We’ve already burned the whole bridge down, and now need to rebuild it somehow. If republicans and democrats were separated geographically they might just split the country in two, but as it stands nearly every state has a large population of both, so in my opinion the only way forward is reconciliation.
Conservatism isn’t an ethnicity… It’s a dangerous ideology that should have been stamped out during reconstruction after the last civil war. But people like you had the great idea of compromising reconstruction with reconciliation, so now we have to stomp it to death once again.
I’m ex republican. Higher education and having my life ripped apart by our state’s AG fixed me… barely. Compassion won’t fix these people. They fucking suck to their core and would rather die than change their opinions. I don’t have a good solution. Platforming the stupid in our country is a large part of the problem.
I guess you make a good point that dire situations often change minds. That might be the more likely thing to happen than people having conversations again, unfortunately.
It’s such a hard topic to discuss because everyone has varying exposure to how much ground empathy can gain. After living it, I can say that they are more lost than most people think.
So start treating them the way they will treat you. Personally I’ll leave someone to die if they have a Trump sticker/flag/hat/etc, because they would do the same to me.
As it stands, both sides think the other side is completely insane, and to some extent violent
Um, is it at all relevant that one side literally is insane, or that one side commits 99% of the violence? Where is the Democrats alligator Alcatraz for Christians? Where are the Democratic brown-shirt vigilantes running around with masks kidnapping people?
I think Republicans are insane and violent because I see it with my own eyes. Are we supposed pretend their not? Screw that, I’d rather punch a Nazi.
Vote for Republicans = You’re an evil Nazi
Vote for Democrats = You’re an evil liberal, and liberals are just veiled fascist
Vote for third party = You’re wasting your vote, you’re probably just a foreign asset
Vote for progressives = You support neoliberalism that masquerades as milquetoast socialism
Don’t vote at all = You’re a privileged asshole who caused all these issues by not voting
It literally doesn’t matter what you do or who you vote for, you simply can’t win with these people. There’s no appeasing them, they will forever complain about how you vote.
Ever since the 21st century, voting Democrat (voting against Republicans) has been compulsory to stop the degradation of our institutions to corruption and towards autocratic rule.
But a lot of people didn’t get the memo.
And to be fair a lot of Democrat candidates didn’t offer anything themselves, but to not be the destructive Republican guy.
The memo part has a lot to do with the massive far-right propaganda machine that is literally controlling minds (just not instantly or with a wavy beam)
The latter part has to do with the mass precarity that neoliberalism allows to persist. If you’re going to be in danger under King Log, why not vote for King Heron. And this is an issue across many nations with principle parties being neoliberal and far-right.
You forgot someone on your list. You. How would you describe yourself, I wonder? I know how I would.
Let me guess, am I nazi too?
No, you are a propagandist, trying to spread apathy amongst voters who could make a difference. You aren’t trying to get fewer people to vote for the Republican fascists, your goal is to spread apathy between the people who might vote against them.
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I see my point is being proven already
It’s literally what you are doing, and the best you can counter with is with pre-school sandbox logic?
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Because the only imaginable positive outcome is appeasing everyone of course.
How about trying to minimize harm to as many people as possible?
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Your point is amplifying troll messaging and rolling over to defeatism. It’s about as weak as discourse gets.
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Your “proof” is that there isn’t a position that will win approval with everyone?
