COINTELPRO. Since I learned about that the whole Ehrlichmann story about criminalizing drugs to oppress black communities and possibly even CIA involvement in the opoid and crack epidemics seem pretty plausible to me.
“You will own nothing. And you will be happy”
That’s a line from a piece of creative writing, not s conspiracy theory
A piece of creative writing presented at the WEF and baldly stating the goal of agenda 2030.
Can you please point me to the WEF stating it’s their goal? Like any line or paragraph of text which says that?
Everything I’ve read with the WEF taking about the United Nations 2030 agenda for sustainable development is about very easy to agree on goals like ending poverty, hunger, giving access to health care and education, clean water and sanitation, affordable clean energy, decent work and economic growth, innovation industry and infrastructure, sustainability, responsible consumption, climate action, ecological protections, peace, justice, and equality.
They don’t seem to have any aim of ending personal or private property, rent seeking corporations like Adobe and BMW would love you to pay them endless and ever increasing subscriptions but that’s nothing to do with the WEF.
It’s not the goal of agenda 2030. You can read it online here:
https://sdgs.un.org/2030agenda
There’s nothing nefarious about it. For some reason conspiracy loons have latched onto it and think it says things that it doesn’t say.
Then why is everything I own actually owned by a bank?
So you mean like you borrowed money to buy things and haven’t finished paying it back yet? If so then that’s your answer I guess.
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I was a bartender in Virginia when Andrew Youngkin was running for governor. He had a secret panel of businessmen gather together in a private room that I happen to be serving drinks in. A “circle of trust” as they called it where all the donors to his campaign told Youngkin what they demanded from him if he won.
I was sleeping one night about 16/17 years ago and heard something that I could only describe as a UFO. I didn’t get a chance to look out my window, but I heard this rapidly pulsating droning sound VERY close to the roof, as if it was tracking me. I heard it fly overhead where my bed was, and it paused for a few seconds, but the sound could still be heard.
Probably lasted for about 10 seconds before it rapidly flew off. I’ve never heard anything in my life that sounds anything like this; it gives me the chills just remembering what I heard that night!
I was scared completely shitless.
Could that be Exploding head syndrome?
Exploding head syndrome (EHS) is an abnormal sensory perception during sleep in which a person experiences auditory hallucinations that are loud and of short duration when falling asleep or waking up.[2][4] The noise may be frightening, typically occurs only occasionally, and is not a serious health concern.[2] People may also experience a flash of light.[5] Pain is typically absent.[2]
I have had this one time when I was very little. Around 6 or 7 years old or so, but I remember it very clearly. For me, it was like a gunshot went off right next to my head only a couple minutes after I fell asleep. I remember jolting awake and asking my brother and mother what it was, but they had no idea what I was talking about. Maybe some people have different experiences, but mine couldn’t be mistaken for a UFO sound.
I had this but to me I saw a bright flash of light and heard a universe tearing type of noise. I immediately jolted awake and went to my window because I thought something exploded outside. Every animal in my house was undisturbed and sleeping and my entire family heard nothing.
It’s only happened once in my life, but I didn’t have any visual flashes or anything of the sort, just the sound.
Wow. I have this. Sometimes on the cusp of sleep there’s a loud, metallic buzzing sound that scares the crap out of me. No light though
American government told the whole world that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. America used this as justification to invade Iraq and murder its people. It turns out there were no weapons of mass destruction after all.
I’m not a big fan of Whoopie Goldberg, but her way of telling (starts at 7min 53sec) about Iraq and WMD has always stuck with me. It’s worth a watch. It’s the perfect amount of funny mixed with reality.
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This is why I don’t trust any government trying to justify any warlike behavior. It’s all a scam. There is no justification good enough for civilians and young men to suffer and die.
The politicians play chess and we die
This is slightly extreme. Go tell Europeans in the late 30s and early 40s that there’s no justification for going to war against Germany. There are always exceptions.
Ok I concede there are exceptions but I think even in justified war the government is full of shit. The propaganda gets pumped out in full force during military actions.
Like how Japanese internment in America wasn’t justified, even if involvement in WW2 was.
Now there’s something that sounds like an insane conspiracy theory but actually happened.
There are people alive today who survived the Japanese internment. For example George Takei https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Takei
We didn’t go to germany, germany came to us.
Just like usa did many times.
And i don’t think it was so obvious at the time. Russia was massing weapons, middle east had problems, and tensions were everywhere.
You’re being obtuse about the definition of “go to war”. If they invade your country and you fight back you’re still going to war.
Fair enough. But in the context of usa it never had a defensive war, always the agressor. And the propaganda was “they have bio weapons of mass destruction and will use them”, and later “they terrorists”. None of which was true. Iran was far from innocent either.
Aside from literal defense from invaders
I still don’t trust the government. Obviously defending yourself is justified war. For example Ukraine fighting Russia. But there’s been many documented cases of Ukrainian propaganda outright lying. They are not unique so I am not trying to single them out - there are many many many examples in modern times and historical. One of the most famous examples in the Ukrainian war was the “Ghost of Kyiv”, early on into the war.
They came up with the idea of a legendary ace fighter pilot that was going around and shooting down a bunch of Russian planes. However that pilot never existed. The government even acknowledged a few months later, after this idea had become viral and spread around everywhere - effectively already accomplishing its purpose - that it was a fabrication.
This is sort of what I mean. During war, propaganda goes off the charts. There’s a fog of war and the government uses that as a tool to totally flood people with fake knowledge. And sure, you might argue that it’s justified because they are trying to raise their population’s morale and potentially lower the morale of the enemy - but I’m a guy who wants to know the truth. So I don’t trust governments when it involves any military action.
They may be telling the truth so I don’t discount it entirely but I’m immediately skeptical and will try to confirm using sources that aren’t directly from the government.
so like a psyop
Since giving waterboarding a go I’ve found myself disgusted by any government that allows the use of waterboarding on anybody - governments that encourage it are even worse, and the way the Americans handled Gitmo is fucking disgraceful.
Gitmo is still open, there’s no past tense involved
And our buddy DeSantis oversaw torture there and laughed about it.
Since giving waterboarding a go
…I feel like there’s some missing context here but I’m not sure I want to ask
I always thought poppy production in Afghanistan had something to do with it. In 2001 the Afghan government sucessfully eradicated poppies, and again recently after the American occupation ended.
It was oil, not poppies.
Not just America unfortunately. The UK government did this too, their part should not be forgotten.
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The CIA regularly intervenes in the reddit moderation process
Can you elaborate?
Yeah, i want to know more :)
What’s reddit ?
So how do you know that?
It’s not so much what I witnessed but what I didn’t witness. For a short amount of time, I used to live in an area of the world that gets a lot of coverage for the absolute wrong reasons. What kind of stuff did I see there? Absolutely nothing of notoriety.
Could you tell us where?
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The MOVE bombing. The fact that the Philadelphia police dropped not one but TWO explosive devices on the roof of their house via helicopter is still nuts to me. What made it even worse was the fact that the fire department showed up and let it continue to burn, destroying 61 evacuated neighboring homes and leaving 250 people homeless.
Any time I tell someone about it that hasn’t heard the story, they’re skeptical.
Another one is the time I learned that I was under local surveillance for being an activist that was part of a local non-violent black liberation org. The police would send a unit weekly to check my whereabouts and movements. I learned through a friend of a friend that didn’t even know who I was, but knew my name and that I was on a surveillance list. Pretty sure they were checking in on everyone involved.
Edit: if this comment has taught me anything, it’s that you’re better off not engaging with pointless nitpickers and police apologists. Fuck me for having an opinion.
I just looked up MOVE after reading this comment. Amazing power dynamics (from wikipedia):
In 1978, a standoff resulted in the death of one police officer and injuries to 16 officers and firefighters, as well as members of the MOVE organization. Nine members were convicted of killing the officer and each received prison sentences of 30 to 100 years.[2] In 1985, another firefight ended when a police helicopter dropped two bombs onto the roof of the MOVE compound, a townhouse located at 6221 Osage Avenue.[3][4] The resulting fire killed six MOVE members and five of their children, and destroyed 65 houses in the neighborhood.[5]
The “city” was found to have used excessive force, and compensation in these cases comes from taxpayer money.
The Philadelphia police wanted MOVE gone because they bucked the system and were at odds with the police over the ongoing murder of their people. That’s why they went to such lengths to eradicate them at their main row house. I remember reading about how it was essentially a shooting gallery for the police. As people tried to escape the building, police fired upon them.
It was an insanely careless plan borne out of hubris, hatred towards black liberation groups in a time of high racial tensions, and the police (again) thinking that they were above the law. I’m actually shocked there was even a lawsuit that stuck. That alone shows how fucked their whole plan was. Even the city and a federal judge couldn’t overlook this one.
The fire department showed up and the move members started shooting at them, which is why the fire department moved back.
None of it would’ve taken place if the police weren’t so fucking stupid with their plan. I get why the fire dept. held back, but the police created that entire scenario.
Also, my statement isn’t wrong.
Police and MOVE were still exchanging gunfire, so the firefighters were ordered to back away.
Also, to add some intent, the police plan was to make a hole in the roof through which they could shoot year gas and force MOVE members to evacuate. Witnesses did see officers on the adjoining buildings ready to go. It was a stupid plan.
The conspiracy part comes in, though, because we really only have the word of the police on all of this, since all but two of the MOVE people died, and one was a child
Isn’t most tear gas flammable? What the fuck is wrong with our cops and why are they so stupid?
You said above “the fire department showed up and let it continue to burn” This is a completely inaccurate statement. The fire department was there from the beginning and were ordered to move back because of the gunfire. Your statement is saying that the fire department showed up at sometime during the event and just waited around and let it continue to burn, which is absolutely untrue .
He didn’t say that. It was a different person. Read the usernames.
It’s not inaccurate. That’s what happened because the police decided to corner MOVE members in their home and then fired at them as they tried to move outside. The goal from the start was to kill everyone there and in their rage, they devised easily one of the stupidest plans ever. The police forced people into a corner and they retaliated. The police also got hit with a lawsuit in federal court for use of excessive force and illegal search and seizure.
We can split hairs on phrasing, but the police are to blame for the entire thing and crafted a scenario where the fire department’s hands were tied.
The goal from the start was to kill everyone there
[citation needed]
It was well known that the police disliked MOVE as a collective. That’s why they got slapped with a lawsuit by a federal judge for excessive force, illegal search and illegal seizure. They killed women and children with their plan because of their carelessness, and fired upon anyone that ran from the building they set on fire with their bombs.
Your “citation” is cops and their interactions with black folk on the daily. I’m not gonna play this game where the opposition picks apart the irrelevant parts of a stance to try to weaken it.
Edit: here’s your citation
They killed women and children with their plan because of their carelessness
So, it wasn’t intentional.
Your “citation” is cops and their interactions with black folk on the daily
So, cruelty, indifference, but not an actual desire to murder all of them?
Edit: here’s your citation
I can’t read that because it requires a subscription, but I very much doubt it says “the police plan was to kill everyone, and here’s the evidence for that”.
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No other religious organizations or cult fraternities have official highway freeway signs
You’ve clearly never left new england. I live in Ohio and see more and more billboards for all kinds of christian groups every day. It’s inescapable here.
Billboards should be illegal. They’re not just an eyesore they’re a distracting people piloting multi ton death machines.
Media has been using nonviolence as a propaganda tool to quash rebellions and silence dissent in the U.S. for decades.
Think about it: almost every single story you ever see across all media that has the heroes using violence in a positive light, especially revenge content, will always portray that character’s actions as a negative even when objectively they are not. They always look to the same playbook of cliched arguments, one-liners, and tropes to do this. They are all oversimplified caricatures of or misrepresentations of nonviolence, violence, and revenge, justice, forgiveness, etc. A lot are just outright lies or ad-homs.
It’s even departmental policy in some companies to force writers to write their scripts in such a manner.
The only director I’ve ever seen rebel against it is Quentin Tarantino and I don’t think he has been doing it deliberately.
The media is very much establishment. So, even liberal media is old and establishment liberal. Old and establishment liberal are the kinds of people who tend to trade power with the old and established conservatives. (Or, at least they did until the establishment conservatives went nuts and went Tea Party then Trump.)
If you can expect to regularly get power every few years, there’s no reason to take radical action.
As for Hollywood, it’s even more conservative than most media. They want to make movies that appeal to audiences worldwide. They don’t want to challenge their audiences, or offend them. They just want their money.
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There has to be something we can do. What they did prevented Americans from overthrowing their government when they should have, leading to tyranny and the destabilization of the U.S. Perhaps if we created new franchises that opposed and refuted their paradigm, we could help our people move on from their awful garbage.
DRS GME. Otherwise roll over and lick some boots.
I need to buy back in at some point, that reminds me.
No you don’t. Walk away from the scam.
Source: threw far too much money down said scam.
It’s not a scam, it’s just a stock. I don’t believe MOASS will happen, but as a stock in and of itself, it’s not so bad
It’s definitely more complicated than this. A fundamental premise of enlightenment democracy is the establishment of a framework for the mediation of political power without the need for violence. So that ideal of nonviolence goes back much farther than both the US or the fourth estate, and it can be argued that it is actually a starting point for much of the modern world’s political philosophy.
But in general, it doesn’t take a ton of thought to imagine why cycles of political violence are unsustainable and unproductive. If violence becomes a primary form of political expression, then you will simply have every different group trying their hand. This is why we prescribe the state with a monopoly on violence - a principle even older than democracy.
That isn’t to say that violence is never just. Ironically, contemporary existentialism tackles this issue pretty nicely by establishing some imperatives which revolve around the relationship between oppressor and oppressed. Primary among them is the acknowledgement that the most sustainable and desirable form of change is done through conversation with the oppressor (as in liberal democracy), and that anyone who rejects this imperative acts in bad faith, just as the oppressor does when they refuse to treat.
Simply put, to engage in violence is to ordain yourself the oppressor, and understanding the heavy implications of this action is critical to just violence. De Beauvoir argues that idealism is therefore one critical aspect of justice in all forms, as it seeks, by nature, to preserve transcendent humanity in others. And this is the ambiguity of the freedom fighter - the classic dialectical struggle will always reduce itself to mystification because ideals are not fixed like the flesh, against which violence acts. Therefore, while violence can be just, it cannot be justice, because it does not directly serve any ideal. As such, our morality must be “opposed to the totalitarian doctrines which raise up the beyond man the mirage of Mankind” and “freedom can only be achieved through the freedom of others.”
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I am so glad I am not the only one to notice the absolutely horrific bullshit Hollywood and other prominent media has been pulling. And you, amazingly, have the patience to sit and slog through the garbage to suss it out. Hats off to you, good sir or madam
I’m talking specifically about modern media which is very plainly obviously propaganizing itself with the agenda I laid down. It’s so obvious it’s hard not to notice. Older media wasn’t like that; there were anti-revenge stories back in the day but most were neutral or pro, and that only changed in like the mid 20th century when, for whatever dumbass reason, Hollywood and U.S. media in general decided to do this.
You don’t even usually see it in other countries, though there are outliers like Hayao Miyazaki though that’s easily chalked up to WW2 and how that war completely ratfucked Japan (and given what their government did, was well-deserved and a minority of their people like him knew it …)
Simply put, to engage in violence is to ordain yourself the oppressor,
Oh, I get it. You’re just one of those types out here defending it. 😕
No, I’m literally quoting a very well known, in depth discussion of the issue from Ethics of Ambiguity
Actually no, what you’re doing is taking a specific claim about media exploiting nonviolence and using it as propaganda, to proselytize nonviolence itself, using an old book.
If what I am saying isn’t true, why would you feel the need to do that?
Also, why would it even matter how old nonviolence is? I said media et al. is using nonviolence, not that they invented it.
Why are you assuming they’re arguing in bad faith?
The age of the book is irrelevant, the philosophical ideas are still worth engaging with, even if you don’t agree with them
Because of the fact he went off topic to proselytize, for one.
That and I have dealt with many of his ilk in my life. The reason why he did that is because he, like all of his kind, are fundamentally insecure in their position of moral and intellectual dominance over American discourse, and they fear anyone challenging or questioning their behavior. It’s why so many social media sites ban such talk as mine under inciting violence, because it’s an unspoken paradigm that’s taboo to challenge in our culture. I saw it happen on Reddit all the time.
What he’s really hankering after is to stop anybody else thinking about it or challenging nonviolence. It’s how people like that operate. They don’t care about the common man.
It’s weird as fuck that they do this but it’s true. You actually can get banned from Facebook or Reddit just from talking about violence in a philosophical light unlesss you’re opposing it, and fuck your so-called freedom of speech in the process.
And whenever you do anyway, someone like him always slinks around to pander from what really comes off as a sales script. The same old tired arguments, most of them from movies or games because those are the means by which the media indoctrinates people with those beliefs.
If you don’t believe me, try it.
I can’t say I got that impression from them to be honest. Feels like you have assumed a lot from a couple of comments (though I totally get being jaded after a while of seeing the same kind of thing).
I think this could be a really interesting thing to explore both sides of the argument as I do think you have a point. Just seems like you’re both interpreting it differently in terms of tone (which I guess fits in a way, given your stances)
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Rarely I’ll get a feeling that someone is going to die. The feeling hasn’t been wrong yet. It’s not like within 5 minutes but like this person is going to die this year. I’ve been wanting to call it confirmation bias but I’ve not gotten the feeling and has someone live for over a year.
How often did you get it?
Freak accidents? Or health?
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So what was it like knowing Trevor Moore?
There is a huge amount of fake and bot accounts on social medias, probably as much as the population of many cities, made and used to manipulate the public opinion.
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That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s been studied and shown true over and over.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s42005-020-0340-4
https://medium.com/@robhat/an-analysis-of-propaganda-bots-on-twitter-7b7ec57256ae
https://headlineusa.com/china-bots-boost-propaganda/
https://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/research/projects/computational-propaganda/
Yeah man that’s the point of this thread. The idea is it’s things that aren’t conspiracy theories. They just sound like them.
Right
Correct
So true
