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Apple to Limit iPhone 15 USB-C Cables to USB 2.0 Speeds: Report::undefined
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Then they’re not standards compliant and they can’t claim to have usb-c on their phones. I wonder how that will work out for them?
USB-C is the physical form. Does it actually dictate USB3?
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He’s right though?
USB-C does NOT in any way specify capabilities or transfer specifications. It only specifies the form factor of the plug.
The plug can be used for any number of things from USB2.0 or ThunderBolt4, to power transfer, hells, even things like analog audio can use the plug.
Is what your comment did.
The connector is a usb-c connector. That is not the standard, just the connector type friend
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Ok. Since we’re circumcising a mosquito here.
The type c designation only refers to the form factor.
That’s all.
Type c does not refer to its capabilities.
I am willing to bet you’ll find that information very early in what you linked me.
Literally the second sentence in your own source:
The designation C refers only to the connector’s physical configuration or form factor and should not be confused with the connector’s specific capabilities, which are designated by its transfer specifications (such as USB 3.2).
Could you elaborate? Because I’m like… 90% you’re wrong. Oc is correct. The “c” in type c referred to the connector. Just like micro-b mini-b usb A,etc. USB 3 is the speed standard. As well as 3.1 (or 3.2 gen 1 it’s called now or some other silliness), 3.2 gen 2, etc.
There are usb C cables that can do video, audio, some that have thunderbolt speeds. There are also usb c cables that only support usb 2.0. So if you can elaborate on why you believe otherwise, id appreciate it. the usb consortium has ridiculous conventions and I’m no hardware specialist. My knowledge on these is from USB consortiums training when I was a salesman.
It doesn’t NEED more than that honestly. We’re not transferring massive music libraries to our mobile devices any more.
Who’s we? Did you survey every single iPhone user? I hate it when people act like they’re the authority on any subject they are obviously clueless about.
This is absolutely wrong. The spec mandates that USB-C ports provides at least USB 3.1 support. Also USB-C is mandated for USB 3.1.
So to be compliant every USB-C port must support USB 3.1 at least. And you cannot support USB 3.1 with anything other than a USB-C port.
Wtf are you talking about? The spec has a section specifically for wiring a USB 2.0 cable. Apple is one of the companies who wrote the USB spec and I’d find it pretty hard to believe they’d go against their own spec.
All I can tell you is that the Pixel 7 has USB 3.2 spec.
Someone else in the thread said that the Pixel 2 (2017) also abides by USB 3.1 spec. I looked it up, apparently they weren’t lying.
Though the Google site does say:
Pixel phones use USB-C with USB 2.0 power adapters and cables.
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7106961?hl=en
Not sure if it still only accepts USB-C 2.0 cables as it’s maximum?
You must have replied to the wrong person because I’m not arguing the pixel doesn’t have 3.2. I’m saying the USB-C spec does allow for USB 2.0. The commenter I replied to is stating absolutely wrong information.
Ah my apologies
Speak for yourself, there are still many who refuse to use subscription services for music and still store it on their phones
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Why wouldn’t we? I’ve got 300, 400GB of music from my beloved private trackers (RIP WCD) but I choose iOS because of the privacy policy, longevity, and I don’t wanna have to fuck around with custom OSes to not give all my data to Google.
My shit’s loaded up with music, and I’m hoping the next gen has 2TB models.
I have a few hundred gb of music on my iPhone, I just transferred it over Wi-Fi lol
thats right, they use iPods… why wouldn’t they use an iphone?
Plex, baby! My server, my music, my streaming.
Only the Pixel 3a. Even the Pixel 1 supported USB3.0 speeds…
Lol, I’m sorry but this is just you thinking everyone is like you. Millions of people use their phones very differently.
That’s not true. The standard is just the port, not what the port can do.
Many phones use USB-C with USB 2.0, or at least they used to very recently. The Samsung Galaxy S series had USB 3.0 micro B on the S5 and devolved into USB 2.0 with a USB-C connector.
The port on the phone Pro model supports transfer speeds up to 20 or 40 gbps, it’s just the supplied charging cable that is limited to USB 2.0 speeds. If you use a thunderbolt cable you will get full speed and a full feature set.
Edit: Seems like I was wrong; only the Pro models get full speed. That’s kinda shitty, yeah. Unfortunately still in spec, as the mandate is only for the form factor, not the protocol.
That’s not what the article says.
You’re likely not aware of all the facts. See, they’re required to put the USB C port in because Apple has been getting away with bullshit for decades that needs to stop. There’s zero reason for all the proprietary shit they force users to use that ends up creating millions of tons of plastic waste. So they decided to be extra massive cunts and are putting BOTH options on the phone instead of just using the one that every other phone does just fine with, creating a TON of plastic waste, and then, the kicker, forcing you to buy both cords anyhow if you want things to be fast.
What are you talking about? Lightning is older than USB-c, and iPhone has had 2 connectors (30pin, Lightning) during the time where all other phones had at least three (Mini B, Micro B, C)
Proving my point to?
No? A non-iPhone user has had to replace more cables during the same time span, and that’s not even counting the proprietary cables that existed on phones in the 2007-2009 era. Thunderbolt cables are expensive, even at Monoprice they are 3-4x the cost of a USB 2.0 cable that the vast majority will never need anything better.
and are putting BOTH options on the phone
While we haven’t yet seen the new phones, this is extremely unlikely. Since when does Apple have the reputation of adding ports?
I had read somewhere that they’re just continuing to use an older controller to save a few Pennie’s and reduce architectural changes
I’m only going off what this guy is guessing, but I don’t think they would do that either.
Getting away with it? You know lightning came out like 4 years before USB-C, right?
Apple gets shit because they had a proprietary connector when everyone stated using mini/micro usb.
They then upgraded their proprietary connector to one that was MUCH better than the mini/micro connectors.
Now the usb-c connector is king and apple looks bad for not having the “better” connector this time.
But they aren’t forcing anyone to a NEW proprietary connector, just the one they have been using for like a decade now …
Standardizing on a GOOD connector will be nice, but it’s not like apples proprietary connector wasn’t BETTER for a long time.
Most folks don’t follow the timeline, yes apple is using a proprietary connector but it’s older than the new connector that was being used. They didn’t force you into a shittier product back then.
FYI it was newer by 2 years. I don’t think anyone is complaining about the performance of lightning over USB C, its that people want things to be standardized like everything non-apple is. Apple could have contributed to the USB C research and made a better cable that’s available to everyone, like IBM with the original USB or Phillips with HDMI.
This, Apple is shitty for not advancing a standard. Can you imagine if every appliance came with some proprietary cable so you would be incentivized to stay with one brand to minimize hassle. We’d never stand for that, but for some reason we as consumers didn’t demand standardization in this realm. It’s a fast moving industry to be sure, but I don’t really see how that precludes standardization and that is evidenced by all the non Apple equipment that has settled on USB.
Apple did contribute to USB C during development.
iPhones for the lightning port in 2012 and I think the first usb c android was 2015ish
My point is that 11 years later people act as if this lightning port was thrust upon them RATHER than getting usb c.
They’ve been using the same connector for more than a decade now, that’s all.
Your points about apple opting to go their own route is salient and stands and I agree whole heartedly.
Irrelevant. It was always an issue, with everything they do.
But that’s just stupid.
I’m honestly not sure that I agree. Full speed USB 3.2/Thunderbolt cables are expensive, and 99.9 % of users will only ever use the supplied cable for charging. The ones who want to do cable transfers at high speed will probably already have the cable they need.
Limiting the speed of the *port * of the non-Pro models is worse, but likely also a cost-cutting decision that will have little impact on the vast majority of users.
It would be interesting to know how many of the competitors’ phones offer high speed data transfer through the USB port (I honestly don’t know, but would like to).
Right but USB 3.1 is a commodity now and most android phones support it. It doesn’t need to be 20/40gbps. Even 5gbps would be decent for most people.
Boo this man. How would limiting the speed of the port affect cost at all?
It’s probably not an arbitrary explicit limitation just for the sake of it, they’re likely using a cheaper component for the port.
Because they can continue to use the old controller, just wired a little differently
USB-c has absolutely nothing to do with speed. It’s solely the port shape.
Most USB-c cables today are usb2.0
Technically, they are. Type C is just port shape. Protocol version is a different matter, however newer versions are backwards compatible. What they are doing is not restricting functionality but to unlock fastest charging speed you have to buy approved cables. It’s sort of a gray area but luckily EU already caught them planning to do this, so work to change it is already underway.
The latest report, which is both surprising and unsurprising at the same time, comes from a reliable leaker named Majin Bu, who Macrumors says has previously provided details on Apple’s upcoming cables.
Maybe I should start my own news company. You just string some words together about something and it doesn’t really have to make any sense or communicate any information. You say this happened, but at the same time maybe it didn’t happen, mention some people feel one way and other people feel a different way, throw in some meaningless speculation, someone else who is jumping to conclusions, maybe throw a pun in there somewhere, at least one person is skeptical about the thing, someone is concerned about how things will be different, and start selling space for advertisements.
“I would be surprise if any car manufacturer delivers their cars without any brakes, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a dishonest car manufacturer would do so in order to sell more cars”
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I don’t think your criticism here is fair. I see what the article is conveying in this sentence: this is a decision that makes no sense (it probably costs more to artificially limit speeds in this way) but it is also not unexpected that Apple would make this kind of decision. I think it’s a well written turn of phrase.
Yeah I don’t get it, that’s not an uncommon phrase. I use variations of it all the time.
I think you’re correct. I don’t think the author articulated that very clearly, but my reaction was an overreaction.
Just give those instructions and a topic to an AI. Money in the bank.
This is more about Apple’s record on doing things to embellish their latest tech. They’re going to do the whole “this is a feature exclusive to our Pro models” and a year or two later they’re going to “add” it to others and call it an innovation breakthrough.
It’s surprising a tech company like them would bother to do this, given that USB-C is already capable of those speeds, but it’s also unsurprising cause it’s Apple.
I can’t imagine the horror show that it must be to live every day in a brain that thinks of nothing but how to scheme and scam people all day.
I expect the pro max to have thunderbolt and normal iPhone to have this slow USB.
You should do less suspecting and more reading.
You mean this part where the article doesn’t say if the pros are going to have USB 3 or thunderbolt, and therefore I suspected it was going to be thunderbolt?
If you were going to bring the snark, at least bring the quote to help others too
Although the new info doesn’t state what kind of speeds the Pro phones will offer, it’s anticipated they will be in the neighborhood of USB 3.2, which tops out at 20Gb/s. At the same time, Apple currently uses a Thunderbolt 3 port on its iPad Pro, which can hit 40Gb/s. Even if Apple went with USB 3.0 for the base model (4.8Gb/s), it could still quadruple that by offering USB 3.2 on the Pro phones. But it sounds like the company isn’t interested in providing fast transfer rates on its standard models.
Why?
Not that I use the junk this company ships to stores but a part of me would like to hear the meeting where someone proposed this and the rationale to support it.
Spite. They hate the fact they are made to use USB-C so they’re in a strop.
can’t you just buy a cheaper USB 3.0 speed cable anyway? or is this a hardware limitation that Apple have put in the port of the phone?
Hardware limitation.
ITT: people who don’t realize that most USB-C cables are USB 2.0
Yeah I’ve ran into this problem a few times now. I use my Occulus Quest on my PC and it needs USB 3.2 cables. The meta branded ones are crazy expensive but I found a third party one for fairly cheap.
I just got a Pixel 7 Pro and it needs a special powerblock to rapid charge. My Samsung block from my S10+ didn’t meet the requirements, I had to go back to the Essential Phones included charger. The USB-C port on my PC’s case is at normal speeds, but the port on the mono charges rapidly.
The official Meta/Oculus one is expensive because the data lines are fiber optic which allows it to be longer.
This is irrelevant.
We’re talking about smartphones here, and most new Android phones support > 3.0.
Limiting a flagship phone in 2023 to USB 2.0 transfer and charging speeds is a cheapskate move.
IIRC current iphones with lightning connector are still using USB 2.0 and only ipad pro actually has USB 3. I could be wrong though.
most new Android phones support > 3.0
Where do you find that information? Do you know of a reviewer that benchmarks the USB transfer rate of Android phones?
Edit: I found this: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-problem-usb-c-file-transfer-1075286/
10.8GB / 480 Mbps = 180 seconds, and those phones are all faster, so they must be using USB 3.x. In other words, iPhone 15 will have slower USB data than the Pixel 1.
Do you actually connect your phone for anything other than charging? Not trying to poke at you, I’m just honestly surprised this is a big issue for anyone really.
The article only really has facts about the 2.0 cable, anything said about the device is speculated.
The entire article is literally based on a tweet where someone tested the cable. The title of the article and of this Lemmy post references that.
But boy does it generate attention for Apple.
Ah, I see. If the phones themselves support > 3.0, that would certainly be less egregious.
There’s a difference between connector and protocol version. But they are all backwards compatible.
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Which is fine, I have a full speed USBC cable and it’s a thicc boi that I certainly wouldn’t want to shove in my pocket all the time and the 2.0 speed ones still charge my laptop even. But Apple is limiting the PORT, not the cable, which isn’t cool.
Because they are probably using the same controller, just rewired to usbc, there are videos of this modification being done aftermarket.
They can’t limit the cables, they don’t even come with the phone anymore
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And other “small” devices… hell even my toothbrush came with only a charging cable,… with an usb-a port,… and no brick…. FUCK YOU PHILIPS!!! What the F!!!
That likely includes most policy makers. They should have enforce color coding usb c cables instead of forcing the form factor.
Sure but most USB-C Android devices can at least manage USB 3.0 speeds
In other news: company with long history of selling over-priced, under featured products to aspirational nitwits does it again!
It really should be 3.0 speeds but its not any slower than the lightning cable so it’s pretty much the same. Just a universal charging port instead of an iPhone specific one.
“ the company will limit the transfer speeds on the base model iPhones to just 480Mb/s, the same as Lightning and USB 2.0.”
Unless it’s limited by hardware this will be a main cause for jailbreaking your iPhone.
What makes you say that? 90% of the users don’t even connect their iPhone to a pc anymore.
This is true. I’m a bit biased as that is what I would do. I’d say most users will not even notice. I think most of us here on lemmy are tech heads though and we would be the ones who do connect our phones to PC.
I consider myself more techy than the average person. I’m a developer, I used to use Linux, and I used to root my Android phones.
I stopped connecting my phones to my computers long ago. Hardly ever had a reason to do so once I stopped rooting, unless I was using the phone as a makeshift flash drive.
Transferring to a new phone, stuff transfers over wirelessly or backups download. I’ve got everything in the cloud these days. No real need to connect to a computer.
That said, I do think it’s frustrating if this is a limitation of the port rather than one of the cable.
Ok .thats apparently a controversial opinion but…why does that matter. Usb2.0 is still fairly fast connection ,i doubt it will impact anyone, unless someone dumps a lot of data on iphones for…some reason,honestly i am not sure in what scenraio you would move a lot of data very often from phone to pc or reversed. Its not a headphone jack scenario where they took a capability from a phone. You still can send data through cable.it will just take a minute instead of 10 s.
They are going to limit it to USB 2.0 speeds so in 3 or 4 years they can declare some new magical advancement and bump it up to full 3.0 speeds.
Apple purposefully limits things so that they have something to announce in the future. They aren’t dumb. They know the advancements in smartphones has been starting to slow down. So they meter out the advances over many years in incremental updates to give their customers a reason to upgrade.
You will hear something like this from every reviewer after an Apple event: “The changes were small, but taken together the new insert product name here might be well worth the upgrade price.”
Merely a rumor. Apple is known to put multiple false rumors into their supplier chain to find leakers.
I’m going to wait for the upcoming formal announcement and specs.
Can’t wait to find out it is just a software or hardware throttle and with a simple fix get full speed. The small repair shops still going to be busy.
I haven’t used a cable to sync my iPhone for a long time. The speed does not matter to me unless they give us free tethering via cable. Ever since I got a box of wireless chargers to scatter around the house I don’t think I have used a cable.
