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Apple to Limit iPhone 15 USB-C Cables to USB 2.0 Speeds: Report::undefined
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So, worse than a Galaxy S5. Got it.
Apple’s propriety Lightning cable may offer cross-device compatibility
I may need to see the math on this. I thought the only devices it worked across were ones apple decided it would; devices within its own offerings, specifically after relenting on its decision to NOT let them.
It’s less “hands across America” and more “stop hitting yourself” while still not playing nice with others.
Please show me where I’m wrong.
Lightning is proprietary. Whatever they say about it offering being cross-device if not specifically talking about Apple products means big $$ to license it, whereas the USB standard is open, and much more flexible.
What a messy article. The title says that the cables are limited to 2.0 speeds (which they might as well be), the subtitle mentions charging speed as opposed to transfer speed and the article itself then talks about the port on the device having 2.0 speeds (for non “Pro” models).
Anyways, of course they gimp the base model on purpose. Every company does to set the more expensive models apart obviously, but Apple drives it to the extremes especially in recent years, which makes their line-up incredibly confusing. I mean they’ve gone out of their way to make their 10th gen base iPad use the old Apple Pencil, and they still don’t laminate the display even after they redesigned the exterior.
If you want a new iPhone this fall and you’re looking for something in the price range of the standard iPhone 15 (which will still be a very expensive phone of course), I’d recommend looking for previous year’s “Pro” model. The iPhone 13 Pro dropped around the iPhone 14 price at launch, and it’s essentially better in almost every way.
And because people will mention it: of course, you can also get a phone from a different manufacturer if it suits you, or keep your current phone.
I always get last year’s model of whatever tech because it’s likely to be both cheaper and less buggy due to the bugs already have been fixed.
Usb 2.0 is 23 years old now.
There’s a line between “enhancing the pro model by shitting on everyone else” but like this is just disrespectful.
But hey your money, spend that shit as stupidly as you want
(3.0 came out 15 years ago for reference, it’ll be older than some kids getting the phone ffs)
but like this is just disrespectful.
The word you’re looking for is “anti-consumer”
No, no it’s fucking not. How about you not base radical accusations on bullshit articles?
https://www.macrumors.com/2023/08/24/iphone-15-usb-c-cable-usb2-transfer-speeds/
According to leaker Majin Bu, who has previously shared details about Apple’s new cables, the USB-C cables supplied in iPhone 15 boxes are indeed limited to USB 2.0 data transfer speeds at a rate of 480 MBps, which is the same as Lightning.
In contrast, rumors converge on both iPhone 15 Pro models supporting higher USB-C transfer speeds. According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, the iPhone 15 Pro models will support “at least” USB 3.2 or Thunderbolt 3. For comparison, the iPad Pro features a Thunderbolt port for transfer speeds up to 40 Gbps, while the entry-level iPad’s USB-C port is limited to just 480 Mbps.
And that is the crux of it. rumors
Ah, but what am I saying?! Please, return to your circlejerk, I’ll not bother you with any more inconvenient facts
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I think you replied to the wrong comment?
It’s literally exactly as fast as lightning is for the current generation phones… so you lose nothing / gain nothing.
But I guess it’s apple so we gotta riot while it’s perfeCtly fine for android phones to ship that way depending on which vendor you pick.
This was Apple’s chance to up the bandwidth on their phone ports, it would cost them pennies (maybe less than pennies) and would give them a talking point. 6 years ago the 2017 Pixel 2 had USB 3.1 support. It’s 2023 now.
Apple is either trying to squeeze people as much as possible before it’s game over for their proprietary cables, or are afraid that people can’t identify which cables support which speeds. Maybe a bit of both?
Not acceptable for phones that are more expensive, to have speeds from a USB spec designed in the year 2000. Pixel 7 currently implements USB 3.2 standards, and with USB 4.0 (based on Thunderbolt, designed by Apple and Intel) on the way, I’m sure Android phones will be packing that as soon as they can.
android phones to ship that way depending on which vendor you pick
Almost like Android has no business practices to criticize because it’s not a company. This thread is about criticizing Apple, not iOS.
You are on lemmy, not on Reddit. We have criteria here
That’s the difference, Android users have a choice in what phone they buy. Apple users get the new iPhone or the old iPhone, so when bad decisions are made it sucks worse.
Lightning is already painfully slow for transferring photos and doing backups. Assuming you get max speed the entire time, backing up a full 64GB iphone will take 16 minutes. On USB 3.1 it’d take 4 minutes.
That Majin Buu always comes through. Except that one day… Damn you Kakarot!
Why? Are they still trying to revive firewire?
Hahahha… and a week ago a report said it would be thunderbolt
ITT people pretending this is a spite based move, when realistically it is probably cutting costs by reusing the same hardware they used for lightning ports just soldering on a USB-C port instead of a lightning one.
dude usb 3.0 is 15 years old by now, and they’re a trillion dollar company. They’ll manage, this is 100% by choice
On a thousand dollar phone
One could argue that you don’t become a trillion dollar company by leaving money on the table.
One could argue, greed is a subset of malice, and spite isn’t mutually exclusive with any of it.
Public companies aren’t really driven by spite. At least not for its own sake.
Yes, the choice being the respective SoCs not needing 3.0 support because they were intended to be used with lightning connectors.
I mean Pixel 6 still didnt have 3.0 support, so the 15 year old argument doesnt hold too much ground either.
Pixel 6 has 3.1 gen 1 (3.0) and so did the Pixel 1
https://gsmarena.com/google_pixel_6-11037.php https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7158570
The first phone with USB 3.0 appears to be from 2013.
https://www.theverge.com/2013/9/5/4696874/galaxy-note-3-usb-3-0-power-connector-explained
Sure, I’m willing to eat my words on that one, for some reason my memory said 6a was 2.0
A shining example of cutting edge Apple innovation
Are you trying to suggest the company that invented rounded corners isn’t innovative enough?!
Next they will claim they invented cutting corners…
I mean, it’s not like it matters much. Most of apple devices actually expected to transfer data over wire are on thunderbolt already aren’t they? Frankly I’m a little surprised they switched to C on 15 already, iirc they could have still released this cycle on lightning according to EU regulation (I think it only comes in effect end of 2024, right?) It comes to me as no surprise that they use up the controllers they had for lightning before they roll out thunderbolt. It will probably be 2.0 for base and thunderbolt for pro this cycle and likely thunderbolt for all next cycle. That would be the apple m/o.
by reusing the same hardware
I’m sure their engineers are competent enough to repurpose she iPad Pro’s TB4 hardware.
Two factors. Do they still have lightning hardware sitting on shelves? Do they need to design to fit the iphone form factor? If the answer is yes to either of these, designing for TB this release cycle seems non-sensical when most people only use the cable to charge their phones.
That, and also, how many iPhone users do you think will actually notice slower USB speeds? One percent? They literally do not need 3.0 to keep their customers happy. And they’re not going to poach many Android fanboys with this change, so who cares?
I’m with you, people use the cable for power, it’s pretty rare to use them for data transfers. He’ll moving to a new phone is all wireless, just set them next to each other.
I’m going over… that’s literally all I needed from them. Consumer choice is all lesser evils atm.
RIP Firefox phone and Samsung Pure.
You think this more likely than just creating a bigger artificial difference between the standard and normal model?
I think that is most likely a lot of what drives that divide, but this almost certainly the case for the port. Some shit undoubtedly is software locked, and that is in fact scummy, but new hardware will always be more expensive than hardware you have already designed and maybe even have lying around.
To get thunderbolt in there they probably need a new board specifically for the iphone, while they can just cram in the lightning version with a new solder job and call it a day.
At the end of the day 95+% of the people who will use their phones will only use the port for charging anyway.
Well we don’t know yet what port the pro model we have, so once we do, we’ll know whether it’s just scummy behavior once again, or if Apple decided to use low to midrange hardware on all their models Edit: surprise surprise.
Someone else commented that the SoC literally lacks the capability to run above 2.0. If this is the case it would be very hard to call this even scummy adjacent.
Can’t find any confirmation on this claim, but their Ipad pro model uses USB c with far higher speeds. Edit: surprise surprise.
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Doesn’t that run M2 SoC?
The SoC lacks the hardware. Even the USB C iPads with A series chips operate at 2.0 speeds. They can only do 5Gbit in host mode, like with an external SSD. Plugged in to a computer they are 2.0.
I would imagine future chips will have the capability, once the Pro chips trickle down to the base models.
Yea, well, there you go. Pretty much straight up supports my original claim. If they need to full on change the SoC why in the hell would they fork up to support thunderbolt on iphones.
Thunderbolt seems excessive for most, but 3.0 would be welcome.
I believe it’s both. Apple said that they’d be compliant with the EU regulations of having usb-c as a port for any cell phone with a charging port. I don’t remember the exact wording, but a valid interpretation was that usb-c is not required if the device has no charging port. I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection. Reducing the capability of wired connections would in that case just be a way to move the users towards the planned infrastructure.
So it’s both a spiteful move regarding the regulations, but also a move which reduces costs and pushes users their desired way.
I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection.
I sure hope not. I’d have to take off my case every time I wanted to charge my phone.
I charge my samsung just fine with a decently fat case. Does apple have a weaker QI receptor?
I have a wallet case. It’s really really thick. It holds all my credit cards and drivers license and stuff.
I see. I believe that Apple’s vision is that payment cards and drivers licence will soon be fully integrated in the phone, eliminating the need for a wallet case. Not that I’m an Apple user, but I am pretty much at the point of never using physical payment cards, and my drivers licence has a digital version in my country.
I’ll still need my health insurance card, my driver’s license, etc. That won’t work on a phone.
My health insurance is fully digital and my country has an official app for driver’s licences. This varies from country to country, but I think we’re all heading in that direction.
Apple fanboys drooling over the company as it continues to shit on them.
I doubt your typical apple user will use the usb port for anything other than charging.
If they are going to improve transfer speeds it’s not going to happen in the same iteration they’re being made to switch to usb c for two reasons:
- They want to incetivise users to upgrade to a newer model 16
- They will want to take credit for faster speeds. Otherwise people will think usb c is just faster than lighting they were stuck with for years.
The reason is that like with the iPhone 14, in the non-Pro models they put the SoC from the previous year’s Pro model, and that one was only designed for Lightning so only USB 2.0. So the non-Pro will get USB 3 once the USB 3-supporting SoC trickles down from the Pro.
Apple is very good at price discrimination. I hey know if they can build a slightly cheaper phone by reusing the SoC from the older lightning version, and 99% of iPhone users won’t care (for whatever reason) they then know that the 1% that does care will spend a little bit more on the Pro model. And they do that with few different features, which ends up with the Pro models selling a significant number of units.
Number 2 is probably a bigger deal than people realize. They want to save face.
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Cables or the ports?
Can’t you always buy a better cable?:(and most likely cheaper, given its Apple shit)
Do correct me if I’m wrong
If the port only have a USB 2 controller you can’t get faster speeds. Note that the lightning cable is also limited to USB 2 speeds, they would need more changes than just swapping controller (need more bandwidth to the controller) to support USB 3 speeds
To the surprise of no one. However, EU is already on top of this. After this law was enacted they realized just how scummy Apple is, not sure how they managed to miss that especially considering they have to fine them and threaten with market ban if they didn’t uphold 2 year mandatory warranty consumer protection laws in EU guarantee.
On top of what exactly? The EU law doesn’t mandate certain transfer speeds.
The only thing mandated is a USB-C port to charge the device, and afaik that the fastest charging speed needs to be obtainable via USB-PD. The latter was always the case with iPhones, even though the port was different. Other manufacturers are actually way worse offenders when it comes to charging protocols, but Apple it obviously the worst offender when it comes to charging ports.
They are introducing changes to enforce USB-PD is present for charging.
Maybe EU is playing some 3D chess? Leave open the possibility of Apple being scummy then fine the shit out of them. Not sure how though.
Who knows.
Amazing how this company is so successful knowing they’re just scamming their clients
And yet their anti-consumer practices continues to be hailed by their loyal customer base.
It’s mind blowing.
“A fool and his money are soon parted.”
Oh? Can I voice my opinion here that people suck off apple despite how shitty they are? Are we doing this?
When you’re the biggest shop in your town it’s because you do good work.
When you’re the biggest shop in the world it’s because you’re scamming your clients.
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The few good things Apple has contributed to the world (libcups) are far outweighed by how much bad they do. Change my mind.
Edit: Ok, emotional response, it looks like this is just a rumor. But I still stand by what I said. Fuck Apple and their shit software.
What bad do they do?
Why?
Not that I use the junk this company ships to stores but a part of me would like to hear the meeting where someone proposed this and the rationale to support it.
Everybody is thinking about storage speeds but what I want to know is charging speed. We see Android phones using USBC with more then 100w that can charge to 100% in under 30 minutes. Knowing Apple it will probably be limited to like 5w so that you buy a shitty 15w wireless MagSafe charger instead that they get money from. It will probably still get to 100% in under 2 hours, but only because Apple batteries are ridiculously small (3200mah on most recent iPhones, 5000mah is the budget Android phone standard that you can find on $60 phones, some even going up to 6000mah like the Samsung m54).
How do apple fan boys keeps eating this shit-sandwich year after year?
Most people are totally lost in a sea of capitalistic greed and wealth indicators. If you don’t keep up with the Joneses, are you really alive?
Samsung doesn’t support USB 3 on several of their higher priced phones, either.
And they’re also a shit company just like Apple.
Yes they don’t support. It’s different from supporting and limiting. I’ll bet there will be a super-duper-special USB cable or dongle you’ll be able to buy in order to get full speed.
It’s different from supporting and limiting.
We don’t have the information needed to speculate that this is the case.
The Pro model has the faster speeds while the regular model doesn’t.
That just means there’s different hardware in each device.
Yes. Samsung is a garbage company as well.
I haven’t transferred data over a usb cable in at least a decade. This means nothing to me.
They have convinced themselves it tastes better than a club sandwich.
It never had to make sense.
Ads campaigns apple spends billions in, such has having their brand name on top of every community to boost their popularity and overshadow competitors
What % of mobile users plug their phones into a computer to move files on/off them? I’m not even an iPhone user (I have a Pixel 6 Pro) and it’s probably been 5+ years since I last moved files over USB on my phone.
I’m transfering stuff from my phone to PC all the time.
What are you transferring? Do you really think others are? Most people just use Google Photos or equivalent for photo back up and YouTube Music/Spotify/Apple Music/Amazon Music/etc.
But why even limit it?
I’m guessing it saves them a few cents. I just don’t think most customers care so I can see why they’d want to save a little bit of money.
That’s the same excuse used when they removed the headphone jack and forced you to use bluetooth. I owned many a cell phones and they all had headphone jacks and bluetooth and both worked just fine. But then the headphone jack was removed and now you had to dish out cash for over priced devices that have a limited lifespan (those batteries aren’t going to last forever).
I heard so many people say “well I never/rarely used the headphone jack” or “but I like bluetooth”. Fine, that’s nice, no reason to make it exclusive other than the company stands to make money off it. People gave up better audio quality and a plug that was more universal than the USB port… we’re not likely to get it back. No doubt Apple (because of course it’ll be Apple) will release a new proprietary cabled audio port that only works with their headphones.
Apple is anti-consumer.
I usualy agree with this but here is a thing USB 2.0 is really not that slow. I higly doubt you need faster data transfers on a phone.
The best argument I can see for faster than USB 2.0 speeds is YouTubers that shoot 4k video on iPhones and then need to edit the video. That’s a very small number of people though
Those are definitely iPhone pro users and those get thunderbolt if my feeling is right (based on rumors I lost the source, lol)
Proprietary card audio port? What are you talking about? Apple doesn’t care about wired audio and neither does the average consumer.
I’ve been using Bluetooth headphones for many years and imo it was the right call to push the industry in this direction. Bluetooth headphones don’t die as quickly as you think. My first gen QC35 lasted close to 5 years when I replaced them and the battery was still good. They were replaced because they started making a weird noise randomly and I didn’t take the best care of them so probably some wire in them became loose or something.
People don’t like change but if you still want to use wired headphones you can. Use a USB-C/lightning adapter to headphone jack.
Batteries can last a long time. We have a Tesla in the driveway that I expect the battery to last 10+ years at least.
Man, you over trust tech industries… but your on Lemmy, weird IMO.
Apple doesn’t care about wired audio and neither does the average consumer.
That’s a lie, customers do care. They weren’t given a choice.
imo it was the right call to push the industry in this direction
Why? Because I cannot fathom a reason to remove a perfectly good option, especially since that option has existed for some decades.
I fully expect Apple to release a “premium” cabled option down the road. And why wouldn’t they? Better audio quality and a whole new tech line to get money from. And if it’s proprietary then they don’t have to worry about those pesky non-Apple branded headphone from working.
Good for you you’ve been using Bluetooth. So have I. I also use cabled audio sometimes because I can or because it has fewer issues. I have headphones from the 80s and 90s that still work. I also have Bluetooth that gets flakey if I put the phone in the wrong pocket or I turn my head the ‘wrong way’. Because Bluetooth is just a low powered radio.
People don’t like change but if you still want to use wired headphones you can. Use a USB-C/lightning adapter to headphone jack
The whole world had 3.5mm headphones. Then Bluetooth was an option. Now it’s forced and the standard everyone had that any headphone or 3.5mm cable worked with doesn’t. And lightning, is only Apple. And it’s ignoring the myriad of problems…
And to make it perfectly clear, because I feel like people completely miss the point here (because every time this is brought up that seems to be the case). I’m not saying Bluetooth audio needs to go away. I’m saying, there was nothing gained from forcing people. Also, there’s nothing gained from proprietary bullshit or things that cannot be repaired/maintained by people.
Lithium-ion batteries can last 10+ years. They can also last much shorter. They’re not magic and it doesn’t matter who makes them. It’s science. They will fail. From over use, kept at the wrong amount of charge for too long, too hot\cold, somehow damaged, etc. They are going to fail and are all e-waste. I mean, find me someone who has any mobile phone that’s from 2013 that still gets the full use of it like it was originally advertised. I mean, you’re expecting to get 10 years maybe more out of a car… and you’re not mad about that. I know people who drive cars that were built in the 60s. They’ve been able to repair/replace/maintained that vehicle for the life of it. Apple hates the idea of you repairing anything from them.
it’s an identity. you might be surprised to see how often the apple logo is used on random things in countries where copyright doesn’t exist. like it’s a symbol of something really important.
but I think the USB 2.0 thing is completely normal and this is a misleading headline
edit: oh look im being le downvoteddit
2.0 isn’t normal in a USB-C phone.
How is USB 2.0 normal in a phone that costs upwards of $800?
I mean, it has been normal for apple phones. Lightning cables only have USB 2.0 transfer speeds as it currently stands. They’ve used it from iPhone 5 up to iPhone 14, including the pro and max versions. Only the iPad pros have the potential for USB 3.0 speeds. Those are the only ones with 16 pin connectors instead of the standard 8 pins in all other lightning connectors
Well, then there has never been a better time to upgrade to USB 3/4 than now.
I wouldn’t describe myself as a fanboy, but here’s my reasons for continuing to use an iPhone and not moving to Android:
- I’ve been a Mac user for over 20 years. I’ve got a lot of Mac software that I use that have iOS only counterparts, and I’ve no interest in comparable software. The inertia of daily use software is a huge incentive for me.
- In the case of USB C vs Lightning or 2.0 vs. 3.v, I genuinely don’t use USB for file transfer to and from my phone. I may be a unicorn, but iCloud file sync and iCloud Photos have always worked reliably for me. Documents are on my iPhone, iPad, and Mac when I go looking for them. Photos and videos are there when I go looking for them. I don’t think I’ve plugged my iPhone into a computer (Mac or otherwise) in the last four years.
- I’ve charged on a QI charger for as long as I can remember (and a 3d printed MagSafe stand now). I have several lightning cables stashed away, but I actually loaned them out more than I use them. And my battery life is not a major concern for me. Since the iPhone X I’ve mostly managed all day battery life between my bedside and desktop chargers. And most days I use my phone lightly enough that I don’t need frequent charge ups.
- And the last bit: long term support. I hand down my devices about two years after getting them (in my immediate and extended family). I have family members with six year old iPhones who are still receiving software updates to the most recent OS. My iPhone X being used by my daughter won’t get iOS 17 this year, but it’s from 2017. And when I upgrade later this fall I’ll replace the battery in my 13 Pro, and hand it off to her. My son has an iPhone 12 that my wife handed down to him, last year. iPhones “wear” well.
I agree about the iPhones wearing well. Folks in my family pass down their iPhones too, but the ones with Android phones don’t seem to last. The lose support so quickly it’s not even funny.
Some Androids have extremely long support times, like the Fairphone. But as a general rule, yes, this is true. Unless you buy a Fairphone, or a model that is supported by Linage and root it, you’re losing software updates after just 2 years, which is insane.
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Samsung Dex could literally replace your work machine then if that’s all you use
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Maybe this?
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I also use remote access on Android and the key bindings are so frustrating, the super key especially. I’ve looked for solutions but haven’t found any yet.
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