… its a website run by the US Government. Why does it have such large downtimes in this day and age?

  • r00ty
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    Well damn, that web server has a good union.

  • @[email protected]
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    92 years ago

    In Finland you can access your info and do online forms any time of the day. The information gets updated when it gets and the site has the newest version available at the time. When they do maintenance, they inform it couple of days before on the website.

  • @[email protected]
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    142 years ago

    Well, you see now, if you reverse the letters in the website address it spells exactly why it has issues.

  • @[email protected]
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    152 years ago

    One might say that this website has some of the best union behind it, perharps on the entire planet.

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    In my experience, it frequently doesn’t work within posted hours either
    cries in SSI

  • @[email protected]
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    72 years ago

    Could be too limit the number of requests that ultimately ended up needing to be processed by a “real human”. Knowing government that was human might be literally some person in the back transcribing the digital requests to paper so that some technophobe boss can review or file it…

    • @[email protected]
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      That would funnel all the requests to the same 8hs at day, instead of letting them distribute on the entire of the day.

    • @[email protected]
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      802 years ago

      No, extreme budget cuts and operational undermining by lobbyist driven right wing politicians who are quite literally trying to take it down.

        • @[email protected]
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          42 years ago

          The excuses vary (taking systems offline to run archaic batch processing, pretending to want to protect jobs by not having machines outperform workers, etc.), but the bottom line is that a certain political faction deliberately writes stupid rules like this as sabotage in order to prove that government doesn’t work.

          It’s the same sort of reason why the local license plate office charges a “convenience fee” to renew your tag online even though it costs the public less than paying a clerk to process it in person.

          • @[email protected]
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            Can you actually prove that? Seems suspect because usually partisan BS remains in Congress, while tiny administrative details like that get written by agency bureaucrats, who in general could care less about said BS.

        • Kahomono
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          it’s part of the overall enshittification of that which does not benefit the rich

        • @[email protected]
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          52 years ago

          Archaic hardware and software requiring downtime on the backend to do standard maintenance like backups, software changes, changing vacuums tubes, pulling moths out of relays.

          As opposed to modern hardware and software architectures that allow for standard maintenance without downtime.

        • Square Singer
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          112 years ago

          That’s the actual difference between right and left. Right is “me, me, me” and offended for every little morsel that does not go to me. Left is we, with all implications.

          That said, compared to other countries the democrates aren’t left at all, but instead center right.

          • @[email protected]
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            -52 years ago

            Per the New York Times, 2018

            Their tor doesn’t seem to be paywalled.

            Red counties, which are overwhelmingly Republican, tend to report higher charitable contributions than Democratic-dominated blue counties, according to a new study on giving, although giving in blue counties is often bolstered by a combination of charitable donations and higher taxes.

            Maybe they come out more or less even, I don’t know. But to say conservatives are “me me me” and liberals are “we we we” is just ignorant and doesn’t jive with the facts.

            I a little bit of hope that you’ll read this and change the conservative strawman you have in your head just a little bit. You can’t engage in honest conversation when you do that.

            The problem is that you don’t understand conservative viewpoints. Not that you disagree, that you don’t understand.

            Here’s a short reading list, with liberal authors, about it:

            • “The Moral Roots of Ideology” by Jonathan Haidt and Jesse Graham (2007):

            This study explores the moral foundations theory and suggests that liberals and conservatives tend to prioritize different moral values, leading to divergent political ideologies. Understanding these underlying moral foundations can contribute to a better understanding of political differences.

            • “The Ideological Animal” by John T. Jost, Christopher M. Federico, and Jaime L. Napier (2009)

            This article discusses the psychological underpinnings of political ideology and explores factors that influence individuals’ understanding of opposing viewpoints, such as openness to experience, cognitive flexibility, and exposure to diverse perspectives.

            • “Beyond Ideology: Predicting Political Bias and Attitude Extremity from Personal Need for Structure” by John T. Jost, Jack Glaser, Arie W. Kruglanski, and Frank J. Sulloway (2003):

            This study examines the role of psychological factors, such as the need for structure and certainty, in shaping political bias and the ability to understand opposing views.

            Or just continue to spew hate. Your call, buddy.

            • Square Singer
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              02 years ago

              Democrats aren’t left either. Only an american would confuse liberals with the left, because there hasn’t been a relevant left party in decades. They are just not right-wing extremists like the average republican.

              You are living in a two-party system. What you call a democracy doesn’t have a lot to do with an actually democratic system. A binary choice every few years does not mean democracy in the slightest.

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              The fact that this is downvoted speaks volumes about this place. Might as well be /r/politics.

              It was a link to the NYT and a list of three article by Liberal writers. And it gets downvoted for not being liberal enough.

              Have fun with your strawmen, assholes.

            • Flying Squid
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              52 years ago

              higher charitable contributions

              What counts as a ‘charitable contribution?’ Is giving to your evangelical megachurch counted? Is giving to Donald Trump’s campaign counted?

              That’s not a very good metric without context.

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                Not to mention that it’s questionable whether the average Republican gives more than the average Democrat, or if it is just a case of a small population of extremely wealthy individuals donating large amounts for reasons of tax benefits (in addition to the political motivations you mentioned).

                Then there’s also this from one of the authors of the study: ‘It also wasn’t obvious “whether donors were being purely generous or whether they would also benefit from their donation. This relationship is called consumption philanthropy, in which people give to a religious organization or a school from which they will derive a benefit in the form of, say, a better religious education program or a new gymnasium.” Giving to a food bank or a homeless shelter has a very different outcome than does giving to a private school.’ (https://nonprofitquarterly.org/republicans-give-more-to-charity-than-democrats-but-theres-a-bigger-story-here/)

                “Without context” is one of the favorite argument methods of conservatives. It’s not that they disagree about the context. They don’t understand the concept of context nor its relevance.

                • LousyCornMuffins
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                  22 years ago

                  The highest taking nonprofit in my county is the extraordinarily conservative mormon cult. They don’t have a lot of folk out here. They take in over five hundred grand a week in my town alone. Not a cent of those donations stay in my town. It all goes to this fund. The liberal folk in my town donate to stuff like the homeless shelter, the hospital, the fire department, stuff like that. Context IS important!

            • @[email protected]
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              12 years ago

              I have at least a nodding acquaintance with that work and while I think it’s worth considering and talking about, I don’t find it to be at all the most convincing explanation for conservatism and am far more persuaded by conservatism as being motivated by a desire for the preservation of hierarchy that manifests itself through said psychological traits, but that is the ultimate prior that informs them. Otherwise we would expect to see liberalism and conservatism more evenly distributed throughout our population, as with other psychological traits, but we don’t, to the contrary, they are very geographically dependent.

              So while I don’t think that psychology has nothing to say about the issue, I definitely don’t think that its the most important factor.

          • @[email protected]
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            32 years ago

            The Democrats call themselves liberals. Liberalism is considered a centrist ideology across the globe. So not a surprise they are not left wing.

            • Square Singer
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              22 years ago

              Well, they are left-er than the rightwing nationalist extremists that run the GOP. But yeah, they are center right.

    • @[email protected]
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      22 years ago

      Not really. The real answer is that different parts of the federal government are underfunded or overfunded according to political ideology and expedience. This is a great example; the SSA is underfunded while the military is overfunded which results in clear performance differences.

      You’ll never hear a conservative bitch about the US military saying that it can’t do anything right, and it’s like, yeah, duh, because it has a huge fucking budget and basically gets anything it asks for.

      Social safety net programs? Not so much.

    • @[email protected]
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      02 years ago

      $40b in taxpayer money is being dropped on Ukrainian territory right now which will eventually put Ukraine in such a weak position that it won’t be able to prevent the flood of American/European countries coming in to take over all their industry. This will trickle down, no? /s

  • citrusface
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    92 years ago

    The NC unemployment was website goes offline for maintenance every night. It’s so needlessly complicated on purpose.

      • citrusface
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        I can’t see the comments you linked, but do see the other comments regarding data shuffle. My point still stands. Needlessly complicated. This could be updated if the state managed itself properly.

        • 🌴 𝓣𝓸𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓼𝓽
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          You didn’t miss anything, everybody is giving them a pass because they have an old mainframe and until you’ve had to sync one you just don’t know. We all know the reason the government is still using mainframes from the 70s. You mean to tell me there’s no company that’s ever migrated away from a mainframe? It’s always a budget issue. And in the US anything that isn’t military spending is a budget issue.

        • @[email protected]
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          12 years ago

          Your point is incorrect. It is not needlessly complicated. It has to do with mainframe batch processing times.

          It’s not a conspiracy, it is a technical challenge that is not easy to some. It is complicated, but not needlessly. If it was easy, it would have been fixed.

          I am sure there are a number of private companies that do the same but simply don’t tell you.

          E.g., every bank has a cut off time for transfers, same reason.

          • citrusface
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            22 years ago

            Okay - fair. Good points. I yield. Thank you for the info - truly.

  • @[email protected]
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    We know why but pointing out how Republicans only policy position is “explicitly kneecap everything so we can privatize it and funnel money to our friends at non negotiated rates 5x the normal end user retail cost” is apparently not allowed because some guys like guys and some people want to alter a pronoun by one letter or some such shit.

      • @[email protected]
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        translation: “It’s impossible to have a conversation about the GOP “Starve the beast” policy because the conversation will be derailed by “LGBT people exist, something something woke ideology””

    • @[email protected]
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      192 years ago

      at this point i don’t even think its that deep anymore sometimes. Sure they do things like that. But at this point…sometimes they really are just fucking cartoon villains. Being evil just because.

      • @[email protected]
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        62 years ago

        That’s how I feel gesturing broadly at the 3 or 4 states they’re still actively fighting against minimum marriage age laws.

        Their voters out here voting for them to “protect children” from pronouns, from books, from learning - then turn a blind eye when they vote to make marrying at 12 legal again or to force 12 year olds to give birth or to send 12 year olds back to the mines. Not only are the politicians cartoon villains, in 2023 so are their voters. Full Stop.

      • @[email protected]
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        Plenty of systems operate just fine without 4-6 hours of daily scheduled downtime. This is just deliberate.

  • Deez
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    72 years ago

    Assuming this isn’t a chat functionality that requires humans to function, maybe it goes down for maintenance over that outage period. If so, it’s terribly designed.

  • @[email protected]
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    52 years ago

    I for one am ready for a public servant AI that gives you form Y34-b and sends you to another AI that then tells you it should’ve been form Y34-a and only the third AI can fix it but they’re currently on vacation so you’ll have to comeback another time on a Monday or Wednesday between 10:00 and 10:30am.