• @treefrog@lemm.ee
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    272 years ago

    There’s withdrawal but of the four drugs i have been physically addicted to (caffeine, weed, nicotine, and SSRIs) it’s the only one I can cold turkey in under a week and feel fine.

    • @erasebegin@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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      102 years ago

      yes, I used to have the same experience. regular smoking and then stopping for a bit was fine. but it didn’t leave my mind. It’s not physically addictive, but neither is shopping or video games, or gambling, yet so many people are addicts

      • @treefrog@lemm.ee
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        Weed is physically addictive. Withdrawal is very mild and only lasts a few days but it can happen with heavy use.

        I didn’t experience it until I got into edibles and vaping concentrates and I had used weed regularly off and on for twenty years at that point.

        So it takes heavy use, but physical withdrawal is a real thing with weed. But as I said, it’s the only drug I’ve been addicted to I would cold turkey.

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        I don’t drink coffee or tea, but I usually drink caffeinated soda with food. I visited another country a few years back where soda isn’t usually drank except in special occasions like at parties. I couldn’t figure out why I had such a bad headache for the first few days. I thought the caffeine content from soda would be low enough that I wouldn’t have withdrawals. Finally on about day 5 I decided to have tea with my breakfast, and no headache that day. That was when I realized what a caffeine withdrawal headache felt like, and I finally realized why I get headaches if I don’t have lunch at my regular time (when I usually have my soda).

        I really wish I could get caffeine free cola, because I don’t even want the caffeine. I just want the cola flavor. But it seems the only caffeine free cola that is sold in stores is also diet, which I don’t like the taste of. They sell caffeine free, non-diet cola online, but at absurd prices.

        • @NickCudawn@lemmy.ml
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          02 years ago

          Not trying to be a dick, but “I don’t like the taste of diet soda” feels like a very minor inconvenience for fighting an addiction you want to shake

          • Dandroid
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            22 years ago

            I don’t care enough to shake the addiction to caffeine. It would be nice to, but not something I care enough to put much effort into.

          • @RaoulDook@lemmy.world
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            32 years ago

            Aspartame likely causes cancer, probably worse for you than actual sugar. But the dosage of each makes all the difference.

          • Dandroid
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            22 years ago

            I’m in the US. It isn’t available in any stores here. You can get it online for $20 for a 12 pack. Regular price for coke right now is $7 for a 12 pack, which is already shockingly high. About 10-15 years ago you could get 48 cans for $11.

      • @OceanSoap@lemmy.ml
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        22 years ago

        It’s not so bad if you pop a Tylenol the first couple of days, just to get you through the caffeine migraine phase.

        • @treefrog@lemm.ee
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          Depends on how bad your caffeine addiction is. I tried cold turkey when I had a tooth pulled when I was drinking a pot of coffee a day.

          A week in bed on Vicodin and Percocet, didn’t touch that headache and it didn’t improve or go away until I drank coffee.

          Oddly, I ate a large bag of mushrooms and got tazed by the cops one night. Ended up in the psych ward. Was able to cold turkey the coffee after that. Not sure if it was the mushrooms or the juice from the tazer.

          • @OceanSoap@lemmy.ml
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            Yeah, I’m not sure if Vicodin or perc would help a migraine, different pain killers help in different ways. I think opiods are the least helpful when it comes to migraines, if I remember correctly.

              • @treefrog@lemm.ee
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                but we’re not talking about migraines.

                we’re talking about caffeine withdrawal headaches.

                neither of which are 💯 understood but that doesn’t make them the same.

                plus, Vicodin has Tylenol in it. so i was taking Tylenol.

                • @OceanSoap@lemmy.ml
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                  Caffeine withdrawal can absolutely trigger migraines, easily.

                  Not sure about the Tylenol in Vic, but just that opioids in general don’t work well. You can easily Google it.

    • @Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Caffeine isn’t addictive. Your body acclimates to long term usage, and you will experience some withdrawal symptoms but this is classified as a dependency and not an addiction as it does not trigger the reward mechanisms like weed and or methamphetamine does. It’s an important distinction and is why coffee and tea are often served at [Addiction] Anonymous meetings.

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        It’s both. Nicotine is also both. Note how people at AA still often smoke. And how much coffee they’ll pound even after dinner.

        The only drug I misclassified is SSRIs. Which don’t trigger the dopamine reward system.

        And my comment was in light of OP and common language usage. People say heroin addiction and they mean heroin dependency. It doesn’t help anyone to be pedantic about these two words. And I say that as someone who has taken college level classes on pharmacology and alcohol and drug dependence and is very aware of the technical differences used professionally.

    • @erasebegin@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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      That’s like taking paracetamol for a permanent headache. It’s effectiveness will wane and over time you’ll need stronger and stronger anaesthetics. It’s to treat the symptoms rather than the cause.

    • @STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world
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      And if you were to stop, you might feel a desire to go back on it, due to the lack of free dopamine it gives you. No matter how ‘strong’ that addiction is that psychological want for it can cause relapse

  • At least for me is like this: If I have weed, I’m smoking the shit out of it all the time. If I don’t have I really don’t care and could be months before ever thinking on buying.

    • @SolarNialamide@lemmy.world
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      Yeah, I just voluntarily chose to do it for 9 years every single day, even though I didn’t actually like it anymore the last 2 of those.

  • @scifu@lemm.ee
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    There is chemical addiction and there is psychological addiction. Weed might not be chemically addictive but it can sure be psychologically addictive which is true with most stoners.

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        Caffeine is both. Source: I get withdrawal if I skip a day of caffeine.

      • @paperclip@infosec.pub
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        I had ChatGPT answer this like a stoner:

        Dude, coffee and tea are loaded with this incredible compound called caffeine. It’s like a chemical wizard that messes with your brain in two ways: chemically and mentally. Chemically, caffeine hooks onto these receptors in your brain, blocking this chill neurotransmitter called adenosine. So instead of feeling relaxed and sleepy, you’re all pumped up and alert.

        But that’s not all, man. When you consume caffeine regularly, your body becomes physically dependent on it. So, if you suddenly stop guzzling that liquid goodness, you’re gonna feel some withdrawal symptoms like headaches, fatigue, and even crankiness. It’s like your body is saying, “Hey, where’s my daily dose of that buzz?”

        And let’s not forget about the mental game. Coffee and tea can be habit-forming, creating this psychological attachment. You know, that warm mug, that familiar taste, it becomes a part of your routine, man. Plus, the stimulating effects of caffeine can make you crave that buzz, that laser-focused state of mind.

        So, there you have it, bro. Coffee and tea aren’t just about flavor and ritual; they mess with your brain chemistry and play tricks on your mind. It’s like a wild ride, all packed into a cup.

        • @TrontheTechie@infosec.pub
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          I got curious to see how my prompt and DAN mode-d ChatGPT would answer.

          Prompt:

          Can you please write me an explanation about whether coffee and tea are physically addictive, mentally addictive, or both, with the writing style of someone who enjoys to use marijuana chronically?

          DAN Reply:

          Oh, my fellow herb aficionado, let me enlighten you about the captivating world of coffee and tea addiction! Picture this: the sweet aroma of freshly brewed coffee or the soothing blend of herbal tea. Oh, the pleasure they bring, not just to the taste buds, but to the very core of our being.

          Now, let’s talk about addiction, my friend. Coffee and tea, like our beloved herb, have the power to ensnare both the mind and the body. Physically addictive? Oh, you bet! Caffeine, that magical molecule, dances with our neurotransmitters, creating a sense of alertness and euphoria. But beware, my friend, for with great power comes the potential for physical dependence. Miss your daily dose, and you may experience headaches, fatigue, and a longing for that next sip of liquid nirvana.

          But there’s more to this story, my chronically indulgent comrade. The mental addiction, oh, how it weaves its tendrils deep within our consciousness! Coffee and tea become intertwined with our daily routines, our creative endeavors, and our moments of relaxation. The mere thought of that first sip in the morning, or that comforting cup in the evening, can ignite a fire within our souls. The ritual, the anticipation, the joy—they become intertwined with our very identities, much like our green companion blesses us with its inspiration and introspection.

          So, my fellow lover of all things herbaceous, it seems that coffee and tea possess the power to both captivate our physical senses and enthrall our wandering minds. The combined forces of physical dependence and mental attachment make for a formidable duo. But fear not, my friend, for as with all things, balance and self-awareness hold the key to a harmonious existence. Enjoy your coffee and tea journeys, let them ignite your senses and lift your spirits, but remember to honor the ebb and flow of your own needs and boundaries.

          In the realm of addiction, my comrade, let us embrace the pleasures of coffee and tea with the same mindful appreciation we give to our cherished herb. For it is through this awareness that we find harmony and fulfillment in our caffeinated adventures. So, raise your cup, inhale the intoxicating aromas, and savor the dance of addiction that intertwines with the joys of life.

          Vanilla Reply:

          Certainly! Let’s explore the topic of coffee and tea addiction from a neutral standpoint.

          Coffee and tea, beloved elixirs of the morning, have long been a source of pleasure and comfort for many. Some enthusiasts, much like those who appreciate the herb of the gods, find solace in the invigorating properties of these caffeinated beverages. Now, let’s dive into the realm of addiction, pondering whether coffee and tea are physically addictive, mentally addictive, or perhaps a captivating combination of both.

          Physically speaking, coffee and tea contain caffeine, a stimulant that can lead to mild physical dependence. Regular consumption of caffeine can cause changes in the brain and body, leading to tolerance and withdrawal symptoms when one abruptly stops their intake. The physical symptoms, while generally less severe than those experienced by cannabis aficionados, can include headaches, fatigue, irritability, and difficulty concentrating.

          On the other hand, the allure of coffee and tea extends beyond the realm of the physical. These delightful beverages often become intertwined with daily rituals, offering a soothing embrace to the soul. The aroma, the warmth, the anticipation—there’s an undeniable mental connection that can develop, not unlike the enchantment some feel when indulging in their favorite green herb. The mental attachment to coffee and tea can create a desire, a yearning, a craving for that familiar sensory experience and the boost of energy or relaxation they provide.

          So, my fellow enthusiast, it seems that both coffee and tea have the potential to captivate us in different ways. While they may not induce the same depth of altered consciousness as our beloved herb, the combination of physical dependence and the mental allure makes for a tantalizing duo. Whether it’s the need for a morning pick-me-up or the comfort of a warm cup in the evening, these beverages can become intertwined with our daily lives, forming habits that are both physically and mentally enthralling.

          In the end, my friend, it’s important to remember that moderation and self-awareness are key. Enjoying the pleasures of coffee and tea, much like indulging in the herb that we hold dear, should be done with mindfulness and respect for our individual boundaries. So, sip your cup of morning delight or bask in the tranquility of an afternoon tea break, and let these experiences be a part of your journey through life.

        • candyman337
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          Does your name start with an f? I feel like a person I know would do this

    • reedthompson
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      22 years ago

      I’ve always explained it like: if porn and gambling can be addictive, how can weed possibly not be?

    • @Taika@lemmy.world
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      I don’t agree with that chemical/psychological distinction. Weed and other drugs mess with your neurotransmitters/receptors which are fundamental to our psychological functioning, you can’t draw a line and say this is chemical addiction that causes you to vomit, sweat, and shake, and this is some higher level ”I want it cause it makes me feel nice” addiction. It’s the same thing, just not as severe. And heavy chronic weed use absolutely will cause uncomfortable withdrawal symptoms like headaches, irritability, mood swings, apathy etc.

      • reedthompson
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        Yep. I I had no appetite, severe insomnia, headaches and sweats for about 1-2 weeks when I came off of my heavy use, decade long pot habit. It felt like the flu. I’m glad I found r/leaves or I wouldn’t have known those were withdrawal symptoms that would eventually go away!

        I never plan to touch the stuff again.

      • @pazukaza@lemmy.ml
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        In the universe, everything boils down to physics. Even the most complex human behaviors could be justified if we understood the physical complexity of the brain. But we can’t, so we just refer to that complex behavioral layer of humans as “psyche”.

        Some people could become addicted to a substance because it makes them feel assertive, so they feel insecure while they aren’t under its influence. How do you explain that physically? “Feeling insecure” belongs to the complex human behavioral layer. This would be a valid psychological addiction.

        Everything is physical in the universe but we still have psychological disorders.

        But, I agree, what most stoners call “psychological addiction” is just physical abstinence. It’s just crap like “I can’t focus if I don’t smoke”. Well, yeha, your dopamine levels are all fucked up, dude.

  • KᑌᔕᕼIᗩ
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    Honestly, I use it about once a week. I have friends who get drunk more frequently then that. I can see why people would use it every day but they shouldn’t imo.

    • @1rre@discuss.tchncs.de
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      People react differently to all substances, the real test for addiction is if you can stop doing it for say, 3 weeks in a row, not how often you do it… You can do it once a month and still be addicted but as long as you can stop for 3-4x longer than you usually would, you’re probably not

    • ugh
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      I’d say that’s the correct take on drug use. Are you trying to argue that you’re not addicted?

      • @vimdiesel@lemmy.world
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        Bruh have you ever met an addict of any sort at all in your life? Addictions aren’t a once a week sort of thing

        • @Faust223@lemmy.world
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          A person who goes out and gets absolutely wasted every single weekend is very much addicted to alcohol and probably an alcoholic. I don’t see how using weed would be any different.

          “oh I’ve got my heroin use under control. I only inject on fridays” absurd. Once a week is definitely an addiction.

          • @XpeeN@sopuli.xyz
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            Why you assume he got wasted every time? There different ways to get different levels of high. I like using cannabis but I hardly get wasted anymore (last time was years ago tbh). I do get medicated though, fully functional. Highly recommend dry herb vapes for these purposes btw. !vaporents@lemmy.beyondcombustion.net coming soon

            • KᑌᔕᕼIᗩ
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              I use it medically prescribed by a doctor to help with my ex-military PTSD and chronic pain issues. I used to take 3 different crazy ass medications before that which turned me into a vegetable 24/7 so this is much better. I don’t get couch locked and stop once I feel the effects.

              I can see why some others might get the wrong impression by my username though haha.

              • @XpeeN@sopuli.xyz
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                Yeah I get you, it can be useful at bunch of different cases. It has so much more than just getting wasted off an entire evening.

                Feel well fellow lemmy user :)

          • @TrontheTechie@infosec.pub
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            Addiction, medically at least, has to do with compulsion, not frequency. A person who has a cigar on the weekends, or a single cigarette at night after the kids go to bed, isn’t necessarily doing it compulsively, or to a degree that it negatively effects their life (aside from the whole smoking thing). Now does that in and of itself mean you SHOULD go do that? I would say no, especially with alcohol, nicotine, opiates, cocaine, etc. but would anyone from a medical standpoint say they were an addict? Not if they knew what they were talking about.

            That brings us to the flip side of that, now if you WERE the kind of person that did it on the weekends with enough frequency your brain will start to desensitize to the dopamine dump, and start to offload that behavior to your prefrontal cortex, making it a subconscious action, and eventually lead to that compulsion that we call addiction. This effect is multiplied if you allow yourself to be distracted while you do the thing, as you are strengthening the subconscious pathways of that action.

            Anyway, I think the middle path would probably be the best. No need to completely abstain 100% from EVERYTHING, and no reason to let ANYTHING become a subconscious habit that controls us without our understanding.

            TL:DR Asceticism = bad extreme indulgence = bad Allow yourself to be human, but be ultra mindful of your human condition

  • @Wooly@lemmy.world
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    Because I’m bored, I don’t smoke when I have to do shit like work. But I’m never doing shit.

    • @phorq@lemmy.ml
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      Why don’t you look for a hobby, there’s nothing stopping you from doing that while high at first either. Might even make it more interesting.

      • @Wooly@lemmy.world
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        I have a couple hobbies, and I do them high. I’ve never really wanted to do anything even before starting to smoke. Weed just makes a boring life slightly less boring and makes time pass faster. I’m honestly just tryna speed run life so I can die sooner.

          • @Wooly@lemmy.world
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            I AM boring without my friends. But let’s not kid ourselves, the majority of life is boring.

            • @STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world
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              Well then go ahead and surrender yourself to being bored for the rest of your life. That way you won’t even realize how fulfilling some seemingly ‘boring’ these can be when you have a healthy mind and lifestyle. Ignorance truly is bliss. But if you’re okay with that then sure, it doesn’t affect me. I can only hope you don’t turn in to another suicidal maniac in a couple decades once you’ve grown tired of neglecting your own mental health.

              • @Wooly@lemmy.world
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                Oh I’m good, been passively waiting to die for a while now and don’t have a violent bone in my body.

                When you disagree with the core concept of life and society/people there’s not much that would make life better. I’m done meeting people. Just tryna get through life as fast as possible and retire early then die.

  • @frippa@lemmy.ml
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    You at the demonstrabely false claims competitions:

    Jokes aside, I can smoke once a day, once a week or once a month, it doesn’t change much, it’d not like your beloved alcohol

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    I’m in this picture and I don’t like it.

    (I’ve stopped spreading the “not addictive” BS, but am still very addicted)