in which some nerd tries to call in a 4chan harassment raid
I will say there are definitely individuals in this instance that fit other people’s reaction to you folks, but some of you are pretty considerate and kind. I’ve had some genuinely great conversations with some of you. Now banning Narcissist sounds too ridiculous to be true. I’m going to say a bunch of n- words now. Nimbly-bimbly, nice, November, gnat, newtype, never, nuclear, knife, next, Nigeria
gnat is technically a g-word and that is already taken by
You can consider it ridiculous, but we’re generally on the cautious side for this sort of stuff. A comrade explained patiently about its experience with NPD and about the personal feelings towards the word’s overuse and convinced a lot of us that it’s worth actively not using. Similar to “ps*cho”, people are trying to say something that’s easily described in other words without medicalizing others to create overlaps with people who are seeking to improve their lives through understanding themselves and building understanding with those around em.
Be respectful, I thought it was a troll for like 3 posts but I’m convinced I was the asshole for that assumption
Edited for pronouns after seeing the post below
Thank you so much for the open mind, I’m beginning to see why Hexbear is awesome
hang in there cowbear
i really love yall and yalls ability to hear out unpopular arguments
I agree, and I think even moreso something that we do and should be proud of is this: we will try to understand the maximum argument you should be making for yourself before judging whether you are right or wrong.
I disagree heavily with the comparisons that user was making to the racist N-word, because I don’t think the content of the usage is at all comparable really. One is a slur when used against someone of a race and the other is a word that shouldn’t be used without specificity because it lumps people together that have nothing to do with one another. Someone with NPD might correctly be called a narcissist as a medical term (though I’d guess it’s best to say “a person with NPD”). Nobody is correctly identified as the N-word (exception of self-identification for recapturing the term).
The arguments werent too strong honestly, but I think we can try to see the point anyways and imagine what would’ve been a better one ad compare that to our own rationale and adjust. So I pushed a bit more and read the other posts and managed to get some better understanding.
I didn’t become a commie because any real-life MLs convinced me through arguments, but because I forced myself through rethinking my positions after encountering real life situation and people with bad arguments but great points.
well said. this community’s embrace of self-crit is what makes me love it so much.
What about pedophilia
This isn’t supposed to be a gotcha or anything, just wanted to mention it. “Pedophile” is almost exclusively used as a derogatory term, but it could and likely does apply to people who experience attraction to minors against their own will and never act on it.
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I appreciate that we’re able to have discussions like that on hexbear. Self crit is important, and there are words that are used more broadly in society, or overused as the case may be, that shouldnt be used in interesectional spaces or in the better world we’re trying to create. Self crit is necessary to avoid reactionary thinking.
I’m the person that said something was narcissistic, a single user raised the issue as potentially ableist and we then discussed whether it was or not. I don’t see what the issue is here, this person is blowing it completely out of proportion. Having these discussions is fine and good. There is an argument that in some contexts it can be ableist, and there are other contexts where it is not. If the word were used more consistently in the negative framing I would have sided against it as well. It’s quite possible that it might be at some time in the future.
I see the N word used negatively all the time. Why don’t I send you some examples?
The key here being “consistent” which is why I included that word. I’m not arguing that it’s not used negatively, as an insult, and that those uses aren’t ableist when it happens. But that legitimate usage of the word also exists, particularly when people are performing actions that would in fact meet the medical definition if they do them frequently.
I do genuinely understand where you’re coming from though and don’t really dismiss the points you’re making entirely. I agree with some of them and intend to be more careful about my use in future. I just wouldn’t support a blanket approach to it. It’s a case by case thing. I certainly don’t support referring to narcissism as “the nword”, not merely because it’s silly but also because it comes off as an attempt to completely undermine the slur already referred to as that, if that’s not your intent I strongly urge you to think about that issue.
I’m going to push back and say this argument fits any medical situation, including autism and such. If someone is doing something characteristic of people with Asperger’s (who do it more often) and you call them autistic, that is using it in the negative way. I don’t see many real difference here unless we are going to get into arguments of ‘good and bad behavior" or (and I think this one is the difference in most peoples’ minds) the legitimacy of a spectrum such as NPD. I realized that is where I was going wrong, personally
I don’t see many real difference here unless we are going to get into arguments of ‘good and bad behavior" or (and I think this one is the difference in most peoples’ minds) the legitimacy of a spectrum such as NPD. I realized that is where I was going wrong, personally
It does but someone raised a point about anxiety in yesterday’s discussion that stuck with me, pointing out that anxiety disorder is also a medical condition and yet we use feeling anxious as a descriptor of something without necessarily meeting the requirements for anxiety disorder. This is how narcissistic was used by me also, to describe an action that would be absolutely 100% narcissistic in its nature as opposed to making a statement about a person being a narcissist.
Well calling someone anxious isn’t really a derogatory thing is it? It’s describing an emotion that isn’t seen as negative. Meanwhile, I’ve never seen anyone call someone self-absorbed without it being intended to critique/speak negatively about that action. It’s why I specifically chose autism as my example, because there are a lot of issues of people out there using it pejoratively just as narcissism is used.
yeah this was what changed my mind as well. I think there are better ways to describe the phenomena than to medicalize or pathologize. I’ve also seen someone take it much too far and pathologize literally everyone (because obviously everyone exhibits some of these patterns of behavior at various points in time without it rising to the level of a problem that negatively impacts their lives).
Yeah, so it’s like the R word before the name was changed, or calling someone autistic or gay as an insult
It could reach that point eventually yes. I don’t see it often enough to feel it is though.
Please see and consider the edit I made about calling it the “nword” though. I have very serious hangups about that.
Okay, I’m going to do that thing I mentioned about showing negative examples.
This thread is the top google result for “Do narcissists deserve to die?”
https://www.quora.com/Do-you-think-narcissists-deserve-to-die-alone
Yes they do. I don’t care I would literally piss on their grave and I hope the death they suffer is fucking excruciating so they can feel the sort of pain they put others through. I’ve dealt with narcissistics my whole life and aside from pedophiles, my hatred for narcissists will never subside. Bloodsucking selfish pieces of dogshit they deserve the absolute worst
No. Narcissists deserve to die while dozens of people are in the same place and act as if they aren’t aware of him/her dying there in front.
Karma comes for each of us in its time. Just live your best life. Narcs died in their toddler years when they abandoned themselves in favor of wearing a false mask that they spend their entire lives propping up. Hell awaits them if they do not repent.
They died from the time they became a narcissist: a fake life, a stupid ego, incapable to love, lieying, cheating, being their own enemy, incapable of reponsabilities, living on others emotions and economy, not honest with themselves and others, don´t you believe they are living deads?
Yes, narcissists deserve to die alone in most cases. We all have the potential to become narcissists and that is not an excuse for them to not take responsibility for their actions. Narcissism is a very serious condition which affects many people and can be incredibly detrimental in both personal and professional relationships.
For the way they treat people yes, having just escaped from a horrific narcissistic relationship where i was treated like nothing more than something on the sole of the shoe the abuser trod on, they have no empathy for anyone other than themselves, they don’t care about anyone’s needs/requirements and think they can just float through life doing and saying what they wish. so yes, a narc DOES deserve to die a lonely life.
Yes. I have a narcissistic grandma and she’s ruined my life. I hate her so much to the point I wish her death everyday
Yes…I believe they do because their not people…everyone is different but if your a narrcissist then you have no emotions because you don’t care about anything or anyone you believe to be better than everyone because you think to be a self-preclamed God.
There’s more of this. It turns out when you tell a bunch of people that the abuse they suffered is the doing of an evil minority, you can provoke truly profound feelings of hate. That’s the same strategy Hitler used to gain power
Lmao fuck those people.
there was someone in the other thread comparing narcissists to serial killers. When i took an intro to psychology class people were literally arguing that people with cluster b personality disorders should be sterilized. its bad y’all. especially since there’s a link between these disorders and childhood trauma.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
I reported them for being reactionary and transphobic in some posts that are now removed and this is the result. Never let it be said that leftypol is friendly to fascists.
CW for transphobic rhetoric in pic (and a commonly-used imageboard insult which is also a slur in the mod message, that I have censored)
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oh god they were here lol
concern trolling and thinly veiled passive aggressive transphobic rage intensify
The N word in question being “narcissist”. The website in question not being 4chan. The post not being made by me. You’re welcome for the heads-up that people outside Plato’s cave find you funny.
Okay who the fuck let the cat outdoors?
this you?
Just fyi, your posts in this thread are getting passed around on chan sites and are getting dozens of (You)s, I didn’t start it. Don’t try to delete they were using archive links and screenshots.
Ooo how scary a bunch of NEETs have some screenshots
It’s absolutely deserved.
Grow the fuck up. Also you ooze boomer filth from your emoticons, it sticks out like a sore thumb here
Ooo how scary a bunch of NEETs have some screenshots
There’s an irony to getting defensive about “pwNPD” and them using NEET as a pejorative.
I just reacted by saying “Go ahead, parade my identity in front of bigots. That’s what we did at Stonewall and we should do it more often”
I recognize that there’s something there. I’m not defensive about the narcissism thing btw, haven’t formed an opinion and if anything my first instinct was to agree with this person, but they are acting like a little shit.
That they are
Lol well the site’s reputation is certainly deserved. Hence people laughing at the prospect of “narcissist” becoming a slur. It’s a joke in and of itself.
Jesus Christ dude, go outside
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Damn, talk about projecting.
That’s just the way the cookie crumbles :3
always so brave when running to your fashie hq but backpedaling so fast when you get called on it
That’s not what Plato’s cave means
it’s more like NATO’s Cave, with the inability of Chapo Chat to move past media criticism of the associated press
I’m just aghast wondering how someone could possibly be this far off base, it’s truly incredible
Again, not even close to what that analogy represents.
Expand on that, champ. What could be more plato’s cave than sitting around critiquing the shadows ad infinitum instead of leaving
champ
I spend most of my spare time doing community organizing when I’m not getting exposed to radioactive liberalism at work.
The cave analogy really feels like projection when you’re the one dropping cryptic references to conversations happening in other corners of the cave like I give a shit about what’s on the wall over there.
No actually the analogy is about science, you’re not allowed to use it that way
My brother in christ, take the L
Plato’s Cave is an allegory for scientific education illuminating things we previously didn’t understand.
It’s literally about how about critiquing things scientifically gives us the power to leave ‘the cave’ (critiquing stuff being something Philosophers were pretty fond of.)
Congratulations, you encountered something you didn’t understand.
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I have no fucking idea what you’re on about. Is Plato’s cave meant to be just a fancier way of saying echo chamber here?
I think that’s what he thinks it means.
It’s like he saw the picture of a bunch of people in a cave and came to that conclusion rather than further investigating what the actual analogy means.
Yeah, I think you’re right. I’d always known Plato’s Cave as the thought experiment. Shame that its meaning has been diluted. I’m not digging this one tbh, they seem a bit too keen.
They said they actually know something about psychology up thread, my guess is this is a kid getting a psych degree doing that thing psych majors do where they imagine their intro textbook has granted them an honorary doctorate
Oh my fucking god you’re right. That is so hilariously ironic.
oppa gangnam style
Hexbear: Home of the Radlib Tankie
Wake up honey the hexchans new tagline just dropped.
Wait, you guys are all Radlibs?
Wait, you guys are all Tankies?
Akshually, sweaty, it’s spelled kkkrakkker.
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Wow that was low effort
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My twitter was banned years ago for calling for the immediately and summary execution of all marketers and advertisers by means of dragging them out in to the street and shooting them in the mouth.
But aside from that yes I support and uplift E-girl thought.
You know what’s funny? I have a bunch of mutuals on twitter with onlyfans and I rarely if ever interact with that side of their content nor did I ever follow anyone for that reason, we just followed each other because we are cool communists and talk about cool communist stuff, so every now and then I get a post on my feed that’s just “here’s a picture of my ass” and I’m like cool but I wanna see more posts about mass transit and throwing billionaires into a volcano.
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I have subscribed to the OF of some folks i followed on twitter, but most of them it was the same as you, they were just cool posters. The number of leftists out there doing some form of sex work is non-trivial, you’re going to run in to a bunch of folks doing sw sooner or later.
is being an e-girl sex work? I feel like it’s not, necessarily, but it is adjacent to being professionally naked on the internet, but I don’t know what you’d call the overlap of those two fields. Something like attention work? idk.\
Lmfao
those “cultivate a parasocial relationship” jobs are cousin to sex work i suppose.
What’s an E-girl?
Imagine an e-boy but with boobs
What’s an e-boy?
Imagine an e-girl but without boobs
Must e-girls always have boobs?
What about E-enbys?
E-boys/girls but only one boob.
hyperfemme goth aesthetic with pastel tones. it leans young so there’s an implication of pedophilia.
I generally ask this question as bait because it forces people to reckon with the inherent misogyny that exists within the phrase. I think they’ve been banned already though which kills my fun.
oh sorry I misunderstood the purpose of the question
Nooo don’t apologise. It’s just interesting watching people squirm to describe it without saying they’re fake gamer “th*ts” or something. My follow up question is usually about why they’re E-girls and not E-women.
I’m the only true radlib
They’re from the /isg/ thread on /leftypol/. They were posting about the narcissism discourse there yesterday.
Damn what a cracker lol
funny
Enraged reactionaries stop believing that saying “it’s funny that/I like it that” actually hides the reactionary rage challenge. Difficulty level:
narcissistic
Sometimes reactionaries use that word in internet discourse, and when they do, it comes from a very special blend of
ideology that claims that caring about other people is always a deceitful self interested move. It’s Ayn Rand shit.Everyone’s a radlib except for me. I’m an even more rad lib
Hillary Clinton with a backwards baseball cap doing skateboard tricks level of Rad Lib.
I’m going to make Hillary Clinton in Skate 3 now.
The hottest sauce in her purse.
It’s funny that they should run crying to 4chan (is 4chan even still a thing?) considering this nerd seems like someone they would just bully instead.
“Not Your Personal Army”
HEXBEAR: Lol narcissist isn’t a slur, fuck off.
Also hexbear: Lol fuck you, of course narcissist is a slur.
Sometimes I hate this website.
what
There are multiple threads and the consensus has managed to reach two opposite conclusions.
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This is literally dialectics?
No it isn’t. It’s not even close
No I’m pretty sure it’s literally dialectical materialism
I can’t tell if you’re doing a funny or you’re genuinely wrong, and that’s not a good place to be for either a joke or a statement.
There surely is some Hegel in it somewhere.
I got flipped from it, or at least flipped to believing it’s a term that has no both useful and necessary usage so I’m down to kill it. There’s other words that have no possible medical overlap like “self-absorbed” or “egotistic” or even some fun ones like “you’re gonna hurt your neck sucking your own test like that, partner” for assholes if you’re southern (I made that one up)
Tbf this is actually a good example to point to of how consensus is reached on Hexbear, for all the people who think we’re bots or paid shills. And anyway, even when a consensus is reached, it won’t stop you from using the term in real life if the mods decide to add it to the filter. I don’t really have a problem with it, tbh.
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Yeah I feel the way we arrive at a consensus is by debating it back and forth raising good points until suddenly some chud has an absolute meltdown and the whatever take caused them to have that meltdown is what we end up agreeing on as the objectively correct take.
And I fully agree with that process, at this point I’d be down to ban it as an insult even if for no other reason than to make chuds mad.
I don’t like leftypol. It’s name alone is suspect and I’ve seen a shit ton of racism and ableism from them. I stopped being a reactionary years ago so I wouldn’t see that anymore.
It comes from fucking /pol/ of all places, which has been the ruptured leaking septic tank of nazi shit on the internet for decades.
