The conservative chief justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court told the new liberal majority in a scathing email that they had staged a “coup” when they voted recently to weaken her powers and hire a new director of state courts.

  • @[email protected]
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    312 years ago

    I’m convinced the Republicans are trying to water down the definition of coup, so that way when they are convicted of it, as they rightly should be, it already has a much less severe definition in the common lexicon.

    • Phoenixz
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      12 years ago

      You voted against me? That’s a coup!

      Yeah, we just “voted” against Biden on January 6th, thats all, I swear!

    • vlad
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      252 years ago

      We want people to have the freedom to choose what we believe in. Anything else is clearly a mistake.

    • @[email protected]
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      42 years ago

      Well of course it is. The Dems let women and dark skinned people vote. Taking power away from the white… I mean the right!

      • don
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        I maintain that the two biggest moments when conservatives shit their beds were when we left the planet for the first time and voted in a black president.

    • DonJefe
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      72 years ago

      That has become the Republican party line. Since Trump, they think that any democratic process outcome that is not in their favor is corrupt, and it must be undone. In short, fascism

    • @[email protected]
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      It seems like most conservatives in power have this cognitive dissonance where they see themselves as nobility, chosen by god to rule. So when they are voted out of office through the mere expression of democracy, they see it as some sort of peasant uprising that violates their warped understanding of what a government is supposed to be.

      We’re just slowly sliding back to feudalism.

    • @[email protected]
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      312 years ago

      Imagine how much better everything would be if they just like, shut the fuck up and accepted losses.

      • blanketswithsmallpox
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        Graceful losses and being humble when wrong is a lost concept on them, and a lot of people besides.

        An entire party of ❄️s when called out, but all they do is weaponize the hypocrisy lol. It’s easier to just point it out quickly then move on. Just to prime any readers who might have a margin of sanity.

  • @[email protected]
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    472 years ago

    The simple fact that she’s hasn’t filed a lawsuit and instead has been sending out emails leads me to believe she is full of hot air. Amongst other things she is probably full of.

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    52 years ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    “You are making a mess of the judiciary, the court and the institution for years to come,” Ziegler wrote to her fellow justices and Skwierawski.

    Liberals gained a 4-3 majority on Aug. 1 when Justice Janet Protasiewicz began her 10-year term after winning election in April.

    She also defended her action signing orders assigning reserve judges, saying state law clearly gives her that authority.

    “I had the legal authority and responsibility as well as the moral obligation to sign the orders for reserve judges,” she told Ziegler.

    Ziegler sent a scathing email to all of the justices once again accusing liberals of acting illegally, causing harm to the court’s internal operations and public perception.

    Ziegler refused to schedule weekly meetings with what she called the unconstitutional “invented committee” created by the liberal justices.


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  • @[email protected]
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    722 years ago

    Pretty typical. If they win then it is democracy in action. If they lose it’s a coup. Republicans don’t care about democracy, they want an autocracy.

  • Khalic
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    212 years ago

    Here’s a transcript of the email:

    REEEEEEEEEEEEE

  • @[email protected]
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    2022 years ago

    The whole point of things like this is to dilute the impact of the words being used. This way, when they get caught doing the exact same thing, it won’t seem “bad” in the eyes of their constituents.

    It’s one of the reasons the GOP are pushing so hard to impeach Biden. So when people say that Trump was impeached twice, the MAGA crowd can just say “Yeah, so was Biden. So was Clinton. Presidents get impeached all the time. They never get removed. It’s all for political show anyway, it’s no big deal. The next guy will probably get impeached too.”

    It’s why GOP politicians are trying to frame even minor incidents of protest as “insurrections” or “coups”. They know it sounds ridiculous. That’s the whole point. If you water down words like “insurrection”, “coup”, “sedition”, and “treason”, then the MAGA crowd can just say “January 6th wasn’t an insurrection. The country is still here. Quit calling every protest an insurrection. We’re not in the 1780s any more.”

    Same thing with the RICO charges. Why do you think Miller and MTG were tweeting “RICO?”. Charge everybody with RICO charges and Trump being charged no longer seems like a big deal.

    It’s a long term strategy. Make the idea of being charged with crimes just a normal part of the political process, and make everybody think it’s not that bad. That way, when they’re caught engaging in the corrupt acts they routinely accuse others of engaging in, it’ll be considered “normal” and “no big deal”, and make it almost impossible to remove them.

    • @[email protected]
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      I offer as proof of your claim how Nunes kept calling things “drug deals” during the first impeachment because there was testimony that John Bolton and his moustache said he wasn’t going to be a part of the “drug deal” being cooked up in Ukraine (referring to the scheme to blackmail Zelenskyy).

    • @[email protected]
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      492 years ago

      It’s a very insidious way to make the country more like Russia, where there’s so much propaganda there is no objective truth, words have no meaning, and rule of law of even more nebulous.

      • babyphatman
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        192 years ago

        Hypernormalization. Adam Curtis spoke about this in his documentary.

        • @[email protected]
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          12 years ago

          I have to watch that. Although it sounds like not a very happy watch when I’m already on edge all the time from current news.

      • @[email protected]
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        22 years ago

        Well quite a few republican politicians in the pocket of Russia. Would make sense they learn their strategies.

      • Bakkoda
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        72 years ago

        Firehose of propaganda is one of the main weapons discussed in Foundation of Geopolitics.

    • @[email protected]
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      Boil the frog.

      Just like we did with crony capitalist economy. It’s ok because it’s just the norm for those with capital to fuck over those without. No pitchforks required.

  • Ertebolle
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    She was elected by the conservative majority to a second two-year term as chief justice in May.

    This seems like a pretty stupid system, honestly - when the composition of the court changes there should be a new election, fixed terms for chief justices that overlap an election for another seat make no sense.

    EDIT: apparently this was a recent change, in a referendum, replacing a previous system where they conservatives were stuck with a liberal chief they didn’t like; from Wikipedia:

    After passage of a referendum on April 7, 2015, the chief justice of the court is elected for a term of 2 years by the vote of a majority of the justices then serving on the court, although the justice so elected may decline the appointment. Previous to the change, the justice with the longest continuous service on the court served as the chief justice. Opponents of the referendum called it an attempt to remove longtime Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson, a member of the court’s liberal minority, while supporters called it an effort to promote democracy on the court.

    So they literally passed a referendum to fix the problem of the chief justice not matching the politics of the majority, and now they’re mad that the liberal justices are trying to fix the same problem again.

    • Buelldozer
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      22 years ago

      …and now they’re mad that the liberal justices are trying to fix the same problem again…

      I’m not so sure that’s accurate. In the article you’ve got someone hired by the Liberal Majority taking over the work of the Chief Justice, who did not agree to it, and then signing legal documents appointing new Judges with the Chief Justice’s name.

      Sure, fuck Republicans, but that sounds super shady to me.

      • @[email protected]
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        52 years ago

        Your reading comprehension needs work:

        firing and hiring a new state court director was illegal and ordered interim state court director Audrey Skwierawski to stop signing orders without her knowledge or approval.

        The court director always signs with the chief justices name. That’s how it works.

        The liberal majority replaced the director as is within their power. Ziegler can’t stop them so she’s throwing a tantrum and saying the new director can’t use her name… Ziegler has no standing to demand this. There is nothing inappropriate here. Ziegler is just mad she can’t run the show anymore.

        She stole the chief justice position from the former chief anyway when the cons took the majority last time so if anything this is her comeuppance.

    • @[email protected]
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      52 years ago

      That will eventually be their go to for dealing with others, making it a norm will make the public question when aren’t officials projecting?

      They want to numb the public to the point we stop paying attention, the sad thing is for a large part of the population, it works. Like parenthood, there needs to be repercussions, otherwise why not lie?

    • @[email protected]
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      32 years ago

      Democrats: [Reduce judicial power through a majority vote]

      Republicans: ILLEGAL OVERREACH OF POWER!!!

    • @[email protected]
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      52 years ago

      The people the judge is speaking to don’t know what a coup means. They think it’s a place where chickens live.

    • @[email protected]
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      242 years ago

      I don’t think she really believes it’s an actual coup, Republicans have just been calling everything a coup since the Jan. 6th, 2021 Beer Gut Putsch, I assume to muddy the waters around that specific word and run interference for their wannabe dictator.

      • @[email protected]
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        22 years ago

        This is the first time I’ve heard “Beer Gut Putsch” and I have to say that it has absolutely made my day.

  • @[email protected]
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    482 years ago

    The Repubs are sad that their gerrymandered maps are going to be tossed in the trash can and are throwing a little temper tantrum. That’s all there is to this.