FUCK ALL SHOPLIFTERS!!
People who defend shoplifting from stores. I had a minor debate with someone who was pridefully going on about how we should steal from stores to affect the profits of the CEO and “The Man”.
I had to inform them that stealing from stores won’t necessarily affect the payroll of the corporation. It will only harm the stores and the employees inside. Because each and every store is operating on a budget of their own and what they sell determines said budget.
So if groups of people decided to steal from that store, sapping up the budget and hurting sales, then it’s going to hurt the pay of the people working there. Making shoplifters look both like an asshole and a dumbass in one.
Small scope answer, but I hate people who jump in during a fight, or worse, go in and start sucker punching the “winner” after it’s over. Never get in a fight kids, but if it happens, don’t make it worse either. Call the police, teachers, whoever and remove yourself from the situation
Dude you can’t get paid below minimum, like all fucking stores do. This ain’t hurting anyone except those who are lucky enough to have something to lose
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In a similar vein, defending stealing from your employer since all employers are exploitative capitalists.
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I’m not working for them out of goodwill either. It’s a transaction where I’m selling my labor for money. But transactions require that both sides respect the law.
They are, though.
Eh… I think it depends on what it is. People stealing non-essentials or for reselling? Fuck them. People stealing baby formula so their baby doesnt starve? I didn’t see anything. If we had a robust safety net in the US it’d be different because there’d be no reason or excuse to do that but we’ve decided that we would prefer a dog eat dog world and I am not going to feel bad when the poor do what they need to do to survive.
Anyway, I can’t tolerate people that defend the current healthcare system in the US. I don’t believe that a system that decides whether you get the treatment, medicine and preventative care that you need or not based on your ability to pay for it is a moral one. And the people least able to afford treatment are those that need it the most. i.e sick people. Especially given that most insurance is tied to your job and companies can and will drop you without consequence if you are too sick to work.
I’m with you there. I noticed someone shoplifting at a Walmart near me about a year ago. I took a second look and realized the stuff they were stealing was all food.
I decided I didn’t see anything at all.
I figure anyone stealing food probably needs that food and is in tough financial shape.
I’m surprised that there is anybody defending the current US healthcare system, its probably the worst feature of the US and the main thing putting me off from ever wanting to live there
You’ve eloquently stated what I came in to reply. To hell with this unequal system that all but forces people to steal basic necessities to survive. I’m certainly not gonna say “oh boy let’s shoplift for fun” but I’m also not going to condemn someone who’s doing what they think they need to do to help them and their family get by.
We desperately need not only better healthcare (physical, mental, and dental), but a revamped welfare system (maybe to the level of UBI), a better low-income housing strategy, etc etc.
Very few kids say “oh boy, I’m going to be a petty criminal when I grow up.” Society fails kids and they become desperate and jaded adults.
Dial it back in this community, or risk a ban. Thread locked.
Defending abusive cops. So a lot of cops I can’t stand as a result.
After reading op’s comments in this thread, I’m going to just say they’re a piece of shit who has never had to make any hard decisions.
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Trust me, no one thinks you’re a ceo bud.
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Sorry you look like a serial killer.
Shoplifting also results in increased prices for the paying customers - that’s how these businesses recover their profits. So they may not hurt the corporations but they do hurt their employees, but most of all they hurt you
Corporations are literally already charging as much as they thing they can get away. That’s the upper limit on the abusive monopolistic consumer goods we’re buying. Weather someone steals a few items isn’t going to effect the price. They’re charging as much as they possibly can, all the time. That’s the hell we live in.
I’m more concerned with the people getting killed for trying to feed their family. They are the victims here.
trump apologists
musk apologists
putin apologists
They’re all the same people
Conservatives
“Well, you did something bad, so you deserve whatever happens to you.”
No, that’s not how morality works, and it’s not even how law works either. The smallest rule-breaking doesn’t make you an outlaw with no rights.
I want to add to this: “Well, if he didn’t want shot, he shouldn’t have been running from the cops!”
Maybe not, but he’s innocent until proven guilty by a jury of his peers, and even if he is found guilty, his punishment will be decided by a judge.
Not some Clint Eastwood wanna be who doesn’t like being told no.
How exactly are the cops supposed to get him to the judge if he’s trying to run away?
Kinda hard to go before a judge when you’re dead.
If you don’t try to escape, you’ll be able to go before a judge alive.
That’s not how the Law works.
Yes. This is exactly what I was talking about.
I understand wanting to get “the bad guy”. But they aren’t fucking cowboys in the wild West. Their job is NOT TO EXECUTE PEOPLE. If the guy is running away, do some goddamn detective work and go find him. Lazy fucks are just getting out of having to work. If they’re REAL lucky they get a bonus paid vacation as a reward for murder.
Pirates who screech with entitlement instead of admitting it’s theft.
Just own it, you moral cowards. There’s plenty of valid reasons to pirate media, you don’t need to make shit up to salve your conscience.
Eh there’s the theft is the act of removing and taking something, piracy is copying something under copyright, hence the 2 different words.
You can call them the same but the you’re just choosing to ignore the theology that copyright is bs
Completely Unnecessary Cope
It’s called piracy because you’re stealing shit.
You can’t steal an immaterial thing. Because you can’t lose an immaterial thing, unless you’re forced to delete it.
REEEEEEE I DESERVE IT BECAUSE I WANT IT REEEEEEE
I don’t care if it is or isn’t. All of the Hollywood strikes should illustrate that any potential revenue would not benefit working class people, but would be funneled up to executives to pay for the coke which will get snorted off their cocks.
There are content creators who actually benefit from donations and merch sales. I do support them. I don’t think there’s any moral contradiction.
1: You clearly care if it’s justified, because you just justified it to yourself.
2: Class warfare is valid, and theft is an accepted and encouraged practice within it. They sure don’t mind doing it.
I was saying I don’t care if it is or isn’t theft, not whether it’s ethical.
I’m convinced taking money from multimillionaires is ethical. The money is better in the hands of people who need it.
Piracy is not theft if buying digital licenses is not owning
Yeah, because rental businesses don’t exist.
Just own it, coward.
how? most stuff is just released on streaming platforms, or on on-demand shit like that YT movie crap, owning stuff is more difficult than ever, the only real way to own your software/files is to pirate them, AKA making an offline copy.
I mean own the thieving nature.
Spite is a perfectly acceptable justification for stealing from terrible companies.
It’s definitly not theft though.
You deserve to live in a world where artists aren’t entitled to profit from their work.
Unfortunately, that’s in a large part still this one regardless.
“Intellectual property” is not a real property, therefore its not “theft”
Private property was “invented” to avoid and resolve conflicts that arise from potential uses of scarce resources. As ideas are not scarce — they’re not property.
And that bs excuse about artists is laughable. IP is relatively new development, mostly enforced in western countries. And yet art existed throughout all of human history!
If anything, IP hinders creativity, and allows big corporations to monopolize the market.
Why did you just post a bunch of screeching?
If you see someone shoplift, no you didn’t.
Just no. If you see someone shoplifting diapers, baby formula, or stuff like that - no you didn’t. If you see the brazen ass mobs stealing all the phones from an apple store, you can see them. You don’t need to do anything about it. You can choose not to see them, but I don’t think there’s some moral imperative to ignore that level of theft.
If you think luxury goods manufacturers engage in more ethical business practices than groceries and pharmacies… That’s not true.
From the perpetrators side, nobody paid their rent pawning baby food. Or paid heat. Or paid for a car to drive to a low wage job.
Its not your job to do loss prevention work for free. Unless they’re going to pay you for the report, shoplifting is none of your concern.
Do give corporations free labor.
Shoplifters increase prices for everyone. So yes, it is your concern.
It doesn’t.
Shops set their prices to what they expect will maximize revenue. The losses due to shoplifting are only a portion of their overhead.
National chain stores do not operate on such razor thin margins that they have to modify their prices in response to shoplifting in order to break even.
You say there’s no imperative to ignore, but is there any moral imperative to care about that level of theft though? Maybe if it’s a small local store owned by a friend or something, but if it’s one of the big box retailers or brand names … meh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They got insurance, worst that will happen is they get a bigger tax write off from their insurance bill at the end of the quarter
…but is there any moral imperative to care about that level of theft though?
Certainly not an imperative. I just felt there needed to be a distinction.
I ain’t calling the murder brigade for any of them.
Especially since we’ve had US cops kill several shoplifters this month alone.
phalanx
it’s going to hurt the pay of the people working there
So there are a lot of reasons to be against stealing, but this isn’t one of them.
Wal-Mart and County-Wide Poverty https://aese.psu.edu/nercrd/economic-development/for-researchers/poverty-issues/big-boxes/wal-mart-and-poverty/article-wal-mart-and-county-wide-poverty
Corporate owned stores like this are the ones that people are talking about stealing from. The facts are, the wages that are paid by Walmart can’t possibly be less. Walmart enjoys https://businessmodelanalyst.com/is-walmart-profitable/ being the most highly profitable in the list mentioned.
If Walmart paid less, they couldn’t maintain their staffing levels. The workers would be even more highly impoverished, if they choose to stay.
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Does that matter? In the context of sustained abuse of workers? Every dollar that is used for employees’ food stamps and other benefits is a dollar taken from tax payers.
The difference between a shoplifter and Wal-Mart is a matter of degrees, not morality.
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You are making moral conclusions, and making factual statements that are untrue or exaggerated.
How much do you think this affects prices? The higher operating costs and losses are absorbed across all of the products on the shelves. Do you think that’s noticable? Do you have any real idea of what the operating costs of a grocery store are?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/errolschweizer/2022/01/31/where-do-grocery-prices-come-from/Prices being higher drives theft more than the other way around.
https://beta.cp24.com/news/2022/12/17/1_6199163.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/grocery-price-analysis-1.6774669
Show me some numbers. Until now it just seems like you made a snap judgement and have no real basis to your beliefs.
Oh, I’d say it’s a matter of morality. No one in the Walton family is going to go hungry any time soon.
That’s a easy statement to make with a full belly and no worries about where your next meal is going to come from.
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Yikes, that’s a lot of assumptions you made about me from one sentence. Personally I’ve never had to steal, I grew up middle class and had the opportunity to build up savings to become financially independent, just like you apparently.
I just learned empathy while growing up, so I can understand that some people didn’t have the same opportunities I had, and now have to resort to stealing.
So you defend a corp taking advantage of poor people because poor people did it to themselves.
Despite the fact that there is empirical evidence that when a Walmart is opened in some towns, local businesses are priced out, wages are reduced in that town and money is funneled away to the corporation instead of being spent locally.
Poor people don’t want to be poor, the work available to them has shit pay. Should millions of people just move away from towns when a Walmart opens up? And where would they go? And how would they afford to go?
