FUCK ALL SHOPLIFTERS!!
People who defend shoplifting from stores. I had a minor debate with someone who was pridefully going on about how we should steal from stores to affect the profits of the CEO and “The Man”.
I had to inform them that stealing from stores won’t necessarily affect the payroll of the corporation. It will only harm the stores and the employees inside. Because each and every store is operating on a budget of their own and what they sell determines said budget.
So if groups of people decided to steal from that store, sapping up the budget and hurting sales, then it’s going to hurt the pay of the people working there. Making shoplifters look both like an asshole and a dumbass in one.
Small scope answer, but I hate people who jump in during a fight, or worse, go in and start sucker punching the “winner” after it’s over. Never get in a fight kids, but if it happens, don’t make it worse either. Call the police, teachers, whoever and remove yourself from the situation
In a similar vein, defending stealing from your employer since all employers are exploitative capitalists.
They are, though.
deleted by creator
I’m not working for them out of goodwill either. It’s a transaction where I’m selling my labor for money. But transactions require that both sides respect the law.
trump apologists
musk apologists
putin apologists
They’re all the same people
Conservatives
Eh… I think it depends on what it is. People stealing non-essentials or for reselling? Fuck them. People stealing baby formula so their baby doesnt starve? I didn’t see anything. If we had a robust safety net in the US it’d be different because there’d be no reason or excuse to do that but we’ve decided that we would prefer a dog eat dog world and I am not going to feel bad when the poor do what they need to do to survive.
Anyway, I can’t tolerate people that defend the current healthcare system in the US. I don’t believe that a system that decides whether you get the treatment, medicine and preventative care that you need or not based on your ability to pay for it is a moral one. And the people least able to afford treatment are those that need it the most. i.e sick people. Especially given that most insurance is tied to your job and companies can and will drop you without consequence if you are too sick to work.
I’m surprised that there is anybody defending the current US healthcare system, its probably the worst feature of the US and the main thing putting me off from ever wanting to live there
You’ve eloquently stated what I came in to reply. To hell with this unequal system that all but forces people to steal basic necessities to survive. I’m certainly not gonna say “oh boy let’s shoplift for fun” but I’m also not going to condemn someone who’s doing what they think they need to do to help them and their family get by.
We desperately need not only better healthcare (physical, mental, and dental), but a revamped welfare system (maybe to the level of UBI), a better low-income housing strategy, etc etc.
Very few kids say “oh boy, I’m going to be a petty criminal when I grow up.” Society fails kids and they become desperate and jaded adults.
I’m with you there. I noticed someone shoplifting at a Walmart near me about a year ago. I took a second look and realized the stuff they were stealing was all food.
I decided I didn’t see anything at all.
I figure anyone stealing food probably needs that food and is in tough financial shape.
Whenever someone defends protestors blocking highways, I wonder if they’re an orphan or something. My mom taught me young you don’t play around in the street
This analogy only works if you consider what they’re doing as frivolous and mindless as a child playing and nearly running in the street. Which it’s clearly not.
People who defend corporations as if they’re actually people
People who defend the notion that corporations are people.
“Well, you did something bad, so you deserve whatever happens to you.”
No, that’s not how morality works, and it’s not even how law works either. The smallest rule-breaking doesn’t make you an outlaw with no rights.
I want to add to this: “Well, if he didn’t want shot, he shouldn’t have been running from the cops!”
Maybe not, but he’s innocent until proven guilty by a jury of his peers, and even if he is found guilty, his punishment will be decided by a judge.
Not some Clint Eastwood wanna be who doesn’t like being told no.
How exactly are the cops supposed to get him to the judge if he’s trying to run away?
Yes. This is exactly what I was talking about.
I understand wanting to get “the bad guy”. But they aren’t fucking cowboys in the wild West. Their job is NOT TO EXECUTE PEOPLE. If the guy is running away, do some goddamn detective work and go find him. Lazy fucks are just getting out of having to work. If they’re REAL lucky they get a bonus paid vacation as a reward for murder.
Kinda hard to go before a judge when you’re dead.
If you don’t try to escape, you’ll be able to go before a judge alive.
That’s not how the Law works.
Lev Yashin dude is a pain to play against.
Billionaire worshippers
Politician worshippers
Wealth worshippers
Fame worshippers
Basically people who defend people who don’t deserve or need to be defended. Wealthy people have lawyers to defend them, they certainly don’t need or want you, and they don’t need you to justify them making a million an hour in dividends or interest while sitting on their asses.
Politicians work for you, why do you worship your employee?
Famous people can fuck right off, especially influencers. Why do you defend someone destroying a $200k car or wasting absurd amounts of food?
E: oh, Military worship, too. That shit is right up there with fascism and autocratic rule.
Defending abusive cops. So a lot of cops I can’t stand as a result.
Pirates who screech with entitlement instead of admitting it’s theft.
Just own it, you moral cowards. There’s plenty of valid reasons to pirate media, you don’t need to make shit up to salve your conscience.
I don’t care if it is or isn’t. All of the Hollywood strikes should illustrate that any potential revenue would not benefit working class people, but would be funneled up to executives to pay for the coke which will get snorted off their cocks.
There are content creators who actually benefit from donations and merch sales. I do support them. I don’t think there’s any moral contradiction.
1: You clearly care if it’s justified, because you just justified it to yourself.
2: Class warfare is valid, and theft is an accepted and encouraged practice within it. They sure don’t mind doing it.
I was saying I don’t care if it is or isn’t theft, not whether it’s ethical.
I’m convinced taking money from multimillionaires is ethical. The money is better in the hands of people who need it.
It’s definitly not theft though.
You deserve to live in a world where artists aren’t entitled to profit from their work.
Unfortunately, that’s in a large part still this one regardless.
Piracy is not theft if buying digital licenses is not owning
Yeah, because rental businesses don’t exist.
Just own it, coward.
how? most stuff is just released on streaming platforms, or on on-demand shit like that YT movie crap, owning stuff is more difficult than ever, the only real way to own your software/files is to pirate them, AKA making an offline copy.
I mean own the thieving nature.
Spite is a perfectly acceptable justification for stealing from terrible companies.
You can’t steal an immaterial thing. Because you can’t lose an immaterial thing, unless you’re forced to delete it.
REEEEEEE I DESERVE IT BECAUSE I WANT IT REEEEEEE
“Intellectual property” is not a real property, therefore its not “theft”
Private property was “invented” to avoid and resolve conflicts that arise from potential uses of scarce resources. As ideas are not scarce — they’re not property.
And that bs excuse about artists is laughable. IP is relatively new development, mostly enforced in western countries. And yet art existed throughout all of human history!
If anything, IP hinders creativity, and allows big corporations to monopolize the market.
Why did you just post a bunch of screeching?
Eh there’s the theft is the act of removing and taking something, piracy is copying something under copyright, hence the 2 different words.
You can call them the same but the you’re just choosing to ignore the theology that copyright is bs
Completely Unnecessary Cope
It’s called piracy because you’re stealing shit.
After reading op’s comments in this thread, I’m going to just say they’re a piece of shit who has never had to make any hard decisions.
deleted by creator
Trust me, no one thinks you’re a ceo bud.
Dude you can’t get paid below minimum, like all fucking stores do. This ain’t hurting anyone except those who are lucky enough to have something to lose
deleted by creator
deleted by creator
Sorry you look like a serial killer.
If you see someone shoplift, no you didn’t.
Just no. If you see someone shoplifting diapers, baby formula, or stuff like that - no you didn’t. If you see the brazen ass mobs stealing all the phones from an apple store, you can see them. You don’t need to do anything about it. You can choose not to see them, but I don’t think there’s some moral imperative to ignore that level of theft.
Its not your job to do loss prevention work for free. Unless they’re going to pay you for the report, shoplifting is none of your concern.
Do give corporations free labor.
Shoplifters increase prices for everyone. So yes, it is your concern.
It doesn’t.
Shops set their prices to what they expect will maximize revenue. The losses due to shoplifting are only a portion of their overhead.
National chain stores do not operate on such razor thin margins that they have to modify their prices in response to shoplifting in order to break even.
If you think luxury goods manufacturers engage in more ethical business practices than groceries and pharmacies… That’s not true.
From the perpetrators side, nobody paid their rent pawning baby food. Or paid heat. Or paid for a car to drive to a low wage job.
You say there’s no imperative to ignore, but is there any moral imperative to care about that level of theft though? Maybe if it’s a small local store owned by a friend or something, but if it’s one of the big box retailers or brand names … meh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They got insurance, worst that will happen is they get a bigger tax write off from their insurance bill at the end of the quarter
…but is there any moral imperative to care about that level of theft though?
Certainly not an imperative. I just felt there needed to be a distinction.
I ain’t calling the murder brigade for any of them.
Especially since we’ve had US cops kill several shoplifters this month alone.
