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Too many users abused unlimited Dropbox plans, so they’re getting limits::Some people have taken “as much space as you need” too literally.
Am I the only fucking rational person here that doesn’t give a shit? Things change either pay for the new storage limits or don’t. Can we move on now? Can we talk about something that isn’t about a big business making a big business move that you disagree with because you hate said big business and only want to use Linux? We get it. Windows bad.
Let’s move the hell on then.
EDIT: Lemmy users really do need to find something else to do with their fucking lives besides complain about subscriptions.
How the fuck do you abuse unlimited access? This is just a company blaming an idea that was always going to be unsustainable on their customers and not their own damn lack of forethought.
It was a business plan and they found hardly any of the plan subscribers were actually businesses, and I’m guessing reselling your unlimited data was against the ToS.
It was a business plan and they found hardly any of the plan subscribers were actually businesses
And why the fuck would that matter? If they can’t handle some random’s porn and piracy collection, how the fuck would they handle a legit business? lol
Reselling an account would hurt their bottom line, but still have no effect on providing the storage. Imposing a limit doesn’t stop that though, other than perhaps by making the product worthless and therefore unworthy of reselling.
This was dumb AF anyways. If you really have a problem with a few large accounts, you just make their access rates to their data atrocious. There’s no way the plan guarantees an access speed.
Because some people where using it for crypto mining some coins that depend on storage space.
why the fuck would that matter?
Because it “hurt their bottom line” in some measurable way. Yeah I’d be pissed if I were a subscriber of this plan. But either you accept the caveats of using someone else’s infrastructure or you roll your own. ¯\(ツ)/¯
If you offer me “unlimited Hotdogs” and proceed to be offended by me eating infinite Hotdogs, you did not offer “unlimited Hotdogs”.
That’s “false advertising” Baron von Jenius.
That’s “false advertising” Baron von Jenius
🤣 Kudos for being the first to lobby that particular insult 🍻
They advertised a service, people used the service and it was as advertised, the service was deemed to be unprofitable due to usage, they announced the discontinuation of the service and no longer advertise it.
I don’t see any mention of unlimited storage in any of their plansEdit: they do say “as much space as needed - Customizable” for the Enterprise plan. So that’s likely how they’re distinguishing the “legitimate business” users, to still offer a plan for clients needing more storage and probably has tiered/progressive pricing where it gets cheaper per GB/TB the more you use, but lets DropBox feel like they’ve vetted these high use clients to avoid the use cases they mentioned.https://www.dropbox.com/business/plans-comparison
https://www.dropbox.com/plansAs long as subscribers to the unlimited plan retain unlimited storage through the end of the term for which they had already paid, then DropBox is fulfilling the terms of the service they sold. And the last two paragraphs of the article seem to indicate that DropBox is indeed doing that
To help legitimate business users transition, Dropbox says that “customers using less than 35TB of storage per license” can keep however much they’re using plus an additional 5TB for five years “at no additional charge.” Organizations using more than 35TB will get the same deal for one year, but they’ll need to deal with Dropbox directly to work out pricing. As a baseline, adding 1TB of storage without adding additional users will cost either $10 a month or $96 a year.
New customers will be affected by this policy change immediately, as you’ll see if you check the current pricing for Dropbox Advanced plans. Existing users will be “gradually migrated” to the new plans starting on November 1, and they’ll be notified at least 30 days before the migration happens.
So I don’t think false advertising applies here.
They didn’t mean unlimited use. They meant “sign up, forget about it and pay us forever”.
Then it was never unlimited to begin with, wtf?
Makes sense, and their implemented solution also seems reasonable to me.
Honestly they’re giving existing users at least a year with their current storage capacity and plan.
Google gave like 60 days. Dropbox are handling this much better.
Uhu, exactly. I get that it’s frustrating, but the simple fact of the matter is that offering unlimited storage capacity (or unlimited anything for that matter) will inevitably attract people who will abuse it. Their new plans are functionally unlimited for most people, while also curbing that abuse.
That’s not to praise Dropbox too much (they shouldn’t have offered unlimited in the first place, but it’s an easy way to draw people in), but I still can’t fault them too much for how they handled this.
Eh… If you offer unlimited you have to live with unlimited.
Fuck these people but thats also on Dropbox.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
This was intended to free business users from needing to worry about quotas.
The company said in a blog post yesterday that it was retiring its unlimited storage policy specifically because people were buying Dropbox Advanced accounts “for purposes like crypto and Chia mining, unrelated individuals pooling storage for personal use cases, or even instances of reselling storage.”
Dropbox also says that this behavior has been getting worse recently because other services have also been placing caps on their storage plans—at some point within the last year, Google also removed similar “as much as you need” language from its Google Workspace plans.
Rather than attempting to police behavior or play whack-a-mole with the people abusing the service, Dropbox has imposed a 15TB cap on organizations with three or fewer users.
An additional 5TB per user can be added on top of that, with a maximum cap of 1,000TB per organization.
New customers will be affected by this policy change immediately, as you’ll see if you check the current pricing for Dropbox Advanced plans.
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everything here is wrong, and blaming the users is wrong. Please try to read past the PR speak. and shame on ars for not doing that.
the unlimited plan is going away to force companies that were using it, to switch to their new unlimited plan which is now called Enterprise and will generate a lot more money for them. The plan still exists, they’ve changed the requirements so you can only get it if you spend a lot of money.
I always hated the term unlimited when it’s not really unlimited. Is it really abuse if you’re using it as intended?Edit: I eat my words. People are assholes. I thought this was referring to providers of unlimited storage or bandwidth, only to say “oh, you’ve using it too much, so we’re going to throttle you.”
I think you are right the first time.
“Unlimited “ only ever an advertising term, to garner attention. No one ever intends to deliver on it .
I just want to add a surprising fact. My mobile carrier does actually deliver on the promise of unlimited data, and an ISP is the last company that I would trust.
How much can you use before your speed gets throttled?
I can try it, but my current record s 50 GB in a singled day. The only thing that it wants is a conformation via SMS for every 18 or so GB, but that is only if you use that much in a single day.
I remember when google photos offered unlimited when it first came out. Called that off pretty damn quick
My only concern about throttling it as 5TB for small organizations is that I could see that being a problem for freelance video editors. 8K video can take up a lot of space.
At some point though I feel like if someone would be using Dropbox for 8k videos, they should be wondering if they are using the right solution for their needs. I would say absolutely not.
Temporary storage of, say, a documentary with hundreds of hours of video so it can be transferred from the cameras to the editor who is working remotely seems like exactly the sort of thing Dropbox is for.
Maybe I’m applying too much of my own personal use case for how I use tools like Dropbox then. I’m using it for documents I actually want synchronized between devices, with a cloud backup and history. I suppose if you’re looking at it for a cloud storage solution, ignoring the desktop sync aspect then I can see where that makes more sense.
I just have a hard time wrapping my head around using cloud storage for such large files being an optimal solution but then again if storage cost is the biggest objection, unlimited storage sounds like it’s removing said objection and you don’t have much choice if you’re working as a remote team so great point, I hadn’t thought about it like that.
It could also be good for a sharing solution, since putting it on dropbox, and sharing the link would be fairly simple compared to having to deal with the complications of sending larger videos in other ways.
If you have hundreds of hours of 8k footage, no one is going to edit it off of Dropbox.
If you have the storage capacity to hold all that footage elsewhere, you also have the capability to enable uploading directly to that storage.
No one is using public cloud storage for these kinds of use cases, unless they’re extremely foolish.
That being said, offering “unlimited” and then reneging on it is also, IMHO, foolish.
Corporate bootlickers: OMG they’re actually using our unlimited service as if they were unlimited. THIS IS ABUSE!1!
Dolla dolla bill
Don’t offer unlimited if you can’t deliver unlimited. FFS
What they meant to say was “We didn’t have the foresight to monetize these heavy users, so we will be doing that now. But first we’ll create the problem…”
I’m glad I have a NAS.
But does your NAS has UNLIMITED storage?
It has more than I need for now. Isn’t that effectively unlimited? I could definitely see myself filling it up eventually as my media library grows, though.
I just don’t get it. If it’s unlimited - in what universe is using it beyond 15TB considered abuse?
I get the reseller part, I get the stupid chia mining part. But if they can say that was the problem - then get rid of those users, as clearly you have already identified them. Don’t shift the blame away from your dumbass marketing team onto your users and play an innocent company.
I can’t believe how much support dropbox is getting. People seem to accept, without questioning, every bollocks pr statement these days.
I worked for a company that was offering unlimited storage to its too tier customers.
I brought it up in a meeting when we first started talking about it.
“Okay but you don’t mean unlimited. That’s bad PR waiting to happen.”
What did they say to your remark?
Got thrown out of a window
Roughly
“what do you mean?”
“You cannot offer something that doesn’t exist. If Amazon decided to become a client, we’d be in a world of hurt.”
“It’s fine none of our clients use more than a few hundred gigs”
This was in 2018. They still offer unlimited storage. So I guess, what do I know?
What’s the company? I need to migrate away from Dropbox.
How much? I have about 65TB that could use a cheap backup!
A little over $150/mo
Their service isn’t storage, has nothing to do with it. But at a certain level of storage, it’s… A steal.
what would they do if some user just decides to use more than their “limit”? like hundreds of TB?
Boot them, most likely. Or eat the cost, and look to shutter the free space/apply limits ASAP.
Not unlike Amazon Cloud, Google Drive, and Dropbox here. There was someone on the datahoarders Reddit who famously shoved a Petabyte of Data into their Cloud Drive offering, and likely contributed to it being shut down as a result.
likely contributed to it being shut down as a result.
hope they had an offline backup.
Wow that’s low. If I’m paying for unlimited I expect to at least go over 2TB since I have the space
May I ask what the company is? You don’t have to disclose it publicly if you don’t want, I have matrix setup on my profile here.
Especially since 15TB isn’t all that big. It’s not tiny, but it’s also not out of the reach of a reasonably high end computer, or for a video editor who might need a lot of space for raws/recordings.
It’s not like they’re looking at users eating up Petabytes of data, or something silly, where some restriction might be understandable.
Wait, the cap is 15TB? I run a small image processing business and I’m right about there with my businesses data, currently.
…guess its time to NAS, but I’d really rather pay someone else than assume the hassle
A NAS really isn’t that much of a hassle once you get it up and running. I’ve got a Synology DS918+ and love it. Although I’m sure you’d want something bigger (and newer) for supporting a small business.
That would be fine from a storage standpoint, except that the up front investment is significant compared to what I’ve paid Dropbox so far. I have to be my own resilience, redundancy, security, and and integration specialist. Can you even connect to a NAS on Android? I’d have to set up tasker or something for auto photo upload. Our power is not reliable and goes out frequently. I would have to learn how to expose it to the world outside my network. I’d have to monitor and replace dead drives. And that’s just me, while the other people on my account also need space and access, where they either have to set up their own NAS or use mine, so I’d have to look into file sequestration. I’ll have to re-automate everything to not use Dropbox APIs. There’s a much bigger mental load hidden behind “getting it up and running” that made paying someone else attractive. I’d’ve paid up to triple for continued unlimited storage, but now that there’s no option entirely and the highest limit is stupidly low, I have to rethink my entire workflow.
You make excellent points. I think the key difference for me when I got the NAS was that I wasn’t replacing an existing system. That and I actually enjoy playing with storage and networking, so I’m able to cover most of those bases you mentioned myself.
For the power issues, you may want to look into getting a UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) for anything you want to stay powered. Larger ones can get pretty expensive, but you can usually find some smaller ones for a decent price that I think would be fine for small business use. I’ve used and had good experience with UPSs made by APC.
I do have a UPS for some of my stuff. I was planning on getting another small one for some networking stuff, but no reason I couldn’t get a bigger one to cover another device.
I’m on my 15 so I don’t have time to list everything but a lot of your assumptions are wrong about what you’d have to learn/ need to set up on your own. Synology has a suite of apps for all your use cases that makes it quite easy to set up. And there’s apps for your phone (yes android) to connect to it from outside of your network.
A good weekend of shmedium effort and you can have it all set up and running no problem.
If your powers unreliable btw you should invest in a battery backup UPS to protect sensitive products.
Ah, I do have a UPS for sensitive electronics, though I need another one for some other networking equipment anyway. That does make it feel more approachable. Maybe when my life stops taking a big steamy dump I’ll look into this with more earnest. Thanks for the overview!