These bigoted, ignorant scum will never listen to anything. They are politically illiterate infants with an allergic reaction to reading.
They have ruined a safe space cultivated and cared for, they have turned this place into a new reddit.
I had a dude in my private messages going on about how I was both mutilating myself and other children. Many more people on hexbear have had similar experiences, with these worthless ignorant scum popping in to deliver the political equivalent of a giant shit.
As your friends, comrades, and people you say you defend get slurred at, dehumanized, and harassed please ask yourself:
Is it worth it?
I have the answer, I know you know it as well:
No its not
I used to think otherwise
I was a fool
its not worth a few laughs
even if you dunk all you want, that doesn’t take away the knife those people put in our backs.
These bigots, fascists, and NATO liberals are as worthless offline as they are here, why should we give them any attention. They are worth less than the dirt beneath our fingernails. Why should we poison ourselves with their influence? We don’t make any room for them offline, why should we not online?
And really
How many essays have your written?
How many sources have you combed through?
How many times have you explained the most basic facts of reality?
How many attempts at good faith?
Only for them to dismiss it in their stupidity. They don’t read it, they just crumble and divert back to the programming these little shits trust in more than God.
For every time there is a good faith user, there are a dozen scumbag fascists. And most of the time, the “good faith one” just reverts back to their old shit.
Do you really think losing any member of the hexbear or lemmygrad community, longtime members or not, is worth a few good dunks?
I don’t believe a small chance of gaining a new user is worth alienating an entire section of the community. The vast majority of those idiots are lost causes. If they are interested, the can just make an account and ask in good faith.
Is posting a meme to “own the liberals” worth your comrades getting more trauma from bigots harassing them?
No its not.
you’ve had your laugh, but it should end
Ban them all, SJW, lemm.ee, lemmy, the programmer nazi edglords. Keep Lemmygrad.
Defederate from those communities. We shouldn’t sacrifice our own for more clicks. For having to subject ourselves to the opinions of people thoroughly brainwashed? We aren’t reddit. We came here to get away from that. I’m sick of this. We are sick of this.
End it now
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I find our own users desperately more annoying since the federation as well
hell, I find myself to be even more annoying, and I hate myself! I hate being a debatgal, I just wanna chill.
While it was interesting for a little while, I think as even our most prolific posters have gotten tired of dealing with this shit, I think I correctly identified what was going to happen.
I agree. It’s made things worse
I was in support of it but federation is bringing out the worst in us. I’m seeing quite a bit more slack given with ableism and some other things we wouldn’t have allowed here before. We can do better.
If we’re taking account of opinions I’ll throw my hat in with defederation. The entire value of Chapochat and hexbear was its existence as a chill place. I understand many people wanted to go back to and enjoy the old sub days but what hexbear was is completely different. I’ve been around for a long time and don’t post much, gotta say I’m not a big fan of the changes.
Between threatening dms (which were generally a rare existence pre-federation) and overall trolling and toxicity, I really think we took a step back.
I don’t see myself browsing much with federation being a thing.
I think being with several instances has been a little much. Imo we stick with lemmy.ml and lemmygrad but defed from everyone else. I haven’t been as online but they don’t seem that bad
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On the dilemma of interacting with Reactionary views as Zoo Animals:
On reddit, during the r/chapotraphouse era, the culture there had developed into not just a general shitposting forum but an alternative and assertive socialist/leftist voice against liberal answers for socioeconomic and political issues, as well as a venue to harass and identify reactionary users and communities. As Hexbear’s @Civility hypothesized three years ago, the CIA shut down r/chapotraphouse for these reasons.
After r/chapotraphouse was quarantined and banned, the users dissovled and migrated to the Discord and finally to Chapo.Chat - which became Hexbear - and formed an independent community and identity from r/cth. It became a safe space to vent and share memes, to shitpost, and find emotional (and even, at times, financial) support.
I think we should preserve this quality of Hexbear. I don’t think arguing with liberals insistent on their values of qualifying the validity of our opinions and identities with conditional allegiance to institutions of capitalist hegemony and white supremacy is a valuable endeavor. Nor should we really tolerate their views, or dishonest tactics of discussion. I’d prefer to disengage with them altogether, but I suppose like many of you, I can’t help but respond sometimes too.
It was fun on Reddit to “interact with the Zoo Animal” routine because Reddit is a mass media platform that is capable of propagandizing and sewing seeds of doubt into dominant political and socioeconomic narratives, and to stoke curiosity into alternative narratives, ideologies, lifestyles, and beliefs, with the hopes that those alternatives were not the fascist ones. (But it was reddit.)
This place, even the lemmy federated instances, is a closed vacuum and developed to be a safe space from bigotry, sexism, transphobia, fascism, and liberal apologia.
Then federation happened, and the people who want to treat the interaction with reactionaries as a shitposting game to interact with like zoo animals and elevate misanthropic voices back into our minds - for we read their text in our internal voice - is exasperating and humiliating. I don’t want to be saturated with it outside of reddit.
Exposing ourselves and others to bigotry and liberalism is not fun. “Just log off or block them” works in the short term, but in the long term toleration of these things will deform what the community had become beforehand. Bigotry and JAQing off Liberalism isn’t amusing. It’s offensive.
(It’s always the same defense of liberalism: whatabout Russia and China? History saw what the dissolution of the USSR wrought: millions of Russians dead from social murder. This is liberalism’s goal: https://hexbear.net/comment/3734619. For Russia once more, and finally for China. After that, well always a new enemy to destroy! Never a need to reform the US!)
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Ever since federation, I have been thinking about this idea:
What if we defed from every instance minus the cool ones like lemmygrad but designate a week/month/day/whatever as federation week/month/day/whatever where we federate with every instance and I mean every instance, even that Nazi one, for the purpose of fucking shit up? I think this has many pros:
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It satisfies people who want to dunk on libs and the fash. Federation Friday (or other time equivalent) being a thing means dunkers can also converse their load before blowing it all on Federation Friday.
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People from marginalized communities can choose to skip Friday (or other time equivalent), but have the rest of the time on Hexbear without loser Ledditors harshing our vibe.
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It still connects Hexbear to the rest of the Fediverse so that we aren’t completely isolated and can provide an escape for marginalized people from the other instances. Federation Friday might reach a level of notoriety to the point where the rest of the Fediverse anticipate Federation Friday.
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It is a pressure valve for people here. People here love to hype the pre-federation era, but I mostly saw it as filled with pointless struggle sessions like whether bidets are petty bourgeois. And I gotta say, those pointless struggle sessions mostly disappeared with federation. Personally, I don’t like struggle sessions that aren’t actually meaningful like pronoun flairs because they just lead to people here being bitter and low-key hostile with each other. Being exposed to loser Ledditors remind us that for all our faults, at least we aren’t Ledditors.
I don’t think this would work out. Users of other instances are already clamoring to defed from us just for using the all page as it was intended to be used. If we we’re to change our federation policy to explicitly raid them once a week, we would unironically actually be brigading. They’d all instantly and permanently defederate from us before we even made it to the second week.
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and it really sucks that that catalyst has to, once again, come at the expense of our trans comrades.
this is where i’ve ended up as well. i think there’s some cool people on lemm.ee that are worth considering (@[email protected] is an example in this thread) but i don’t even want to make that argument if that fucks up the safe space we’ve made for our trans comrades here.
The current problem with Lemmy is they’re filled with Ledditors, people who act more like Redditors than your average Redditors. They are people who used Reddit enough time to need third-party apps, get mad that spez took away their third-party apps, and can’t move on to a different social media site but instead choose to use a shitty Reddit clone. After getting their brains melted through repeated exposure to Reddit, their conversation tree is less complex than a RPG NPC. That’s why /c/[email protected] is so brutally unfunny. It’s literally filled with people who unironically upvote “is this just fantasy” or “I did Nazi that coming” for the 3254352nd time. They can’t even just take screenshots of tweets like what the actual funny subreddits do.
I really do think the problem is the sorting on posts. It really seems to funnel people into struggle sessions. Before we merge back with Lemmy proper hexbear had its own sorting that was implemented after we had problems with large site spanning arguments. I don’t follow what the Lemmy devs are up to but I do hope they think of changing some of the weighting in the post sorting.
nah, the userbase didn’t come here to get away from fighting tooth and nail with people online, it was excluded from that and banished to this place.
what you are seeing is a homecoming.
Well yeah, they’re liberals. Bloodthirsty bigots that are convinced they’re the opposite due to cultural hegemony.
Also cowards.
I’m relatively new here, so with that context in mind… I’m glad I was able to find out this place exists after it disappearing on
but even so, opening to federation like this should not come at the cost of our trans comrades and comrades of color. I’m all for defeding from all but grad (and maybe lemmy.ml), as well as keeping applications in place for the foreseeable future. People are well aware of this place by now; Those that want to participate will find a way, or lurk as they learn.Not my place to say what happens, but know that I’ll miss y’all.
