Ah yes, that central tenet of communism, “compensation”.
Yup, logically inconsistent, and if you confront them about it they tell you they are just being “le masters of irony”.
communism in theory is vastly superior to whatever we have now. But in practice it’s entirely inept for the human race. Maybe we should consider some sort of meritocracy that doesn’t rely on bottom up or top down extremes. Transparency and equal opportunity should be the core tenants
communism in theory is vastly superior to whatever we have now. But in practice it’s entirely inept for the human race.
I’m assuming that what you are referring to as ‘communism’ is actually Marxism-Leninism, they’'re different things. Yes, state socialism (Marxism) has proven that it can end badly, but it’s not the only way to implement socialism, others have proven or are proving they can work.
Maybe we should consider some sort of meritocracy
Real meritocracy doesn’t exist, not without real communism first. Each generation inherits a set of inequalities from the previous one, ignoring them to only focus on achievements becomes a tool for the powerful to justify their power (I received a small loan of a million dollar and did fine, that means I deserve living life on easy mode; meanwhile the poor guy that dropped out of school to pay the bills didn’t work hard enough to lift himself out of poverty).
Revolutionary Catalonia existed for weeks and really shouldn’t be used as an example of proving the success of anything. It simply wasn’t around long enough for if to do much.
While the Kurdish groups are interesting they exist within a larger state that is taking on several roles of the state, such as maintaining the larger economy, so that the Kurds do not have to do so. Thus the Kurds aren’t proving the efficacy of their system independent of a capitalist system as it is in a capitalist nation-state.
I don’t think you have good examples here.
Revolutionary Catalonia existed for weeks
More like 2-3 years. Yes, it’s still not much, but not mere weeks either. There were also other anarchist territories at the time and they all worked under socialist principles, none of them caused famines, deportations nor genocides; they don’t exist anymore because they got betrayed and hunted down by the soviets, which were authoritarian since day 1.
While the Kurdish groups are interesting they exist within a larger state that is taking on several roles of the state
The Syrian state? During a civil war? Like, what roles?
And is it actually the state taking those roles? At the end of the day, all politicians do is sign papers, the world is shaped by the workers. It’s workers that build and run hospitals, railways etc. If workers under the Syrian state can make the electricity run, why would the same workers suddenly not be able to anymore “under” the kurds?
I don’t think you have good examples here.
How about the Zapatistas, then? They’re around since the 90s and they’re independent from the Mexican state.
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Honestly I’m pretty sure the coup part happened on reddit. I feel like I witnessed multiple subs get taken over by tankies.
ToiletPaperUSA almost got couped. Like, in a nearly literal sense. One of the mods expelled like half of the other mods for the crime of not being tankies and started censoring anti-China posts.
I mean, we don’t need to spread toxicity on the fediverse by making fun of folks. I thought we left that behind. If hexbear users become a problem, they can be blocked. Otherwise let folks be whatever they want. We don’t need to recreate the same shitty subs from reddit that just exist to make fun of people.
We must make it clear to others before their minds are infected by communist “ideas”. It’s good to shatter the delusion before they are more emboldened
The issue with hexbear isn’t communism…
I’d like you to make this exact same comment on those instances as well. They have identical communities.
On the contrary, mocking tankies and fascists wherever they are found is good and necessary.
You’re starting to sound exactly like them. That’s virtually the same type of emphatic shit they’d say to justify their dunk tank bullshit.
As I alluded to in another comment, I’m not necessarily against the dunking itself, I’m against the death cult ideology that they bring with them. If you find that kind of mockery annoying, then this probably isn’t a community you want to involve yourself in.
Paradox of tolerance, my friend. To maintain a tolerant society, you cannot tolerate intolerance.
Or, in other words: Tolerance is a social contract. When others break that social contract, you have the right to respond in kind.
Outright denying genocides and praising Putin’s aggression in Ukraine is what I’d call intolerant. I don’t care what your pronouns are or how LGBTQ friendly you are, supporting fascism and genocide is not okay and breaks the social contract we have.
You sound exactly like them, I can’t tell the difference.
Could you specify which parts in the comment you replied to which sounds like tankies? They described the paradox of tolerance perfectly as well as summarised the viewpoints of tankies, neither of which any tankies would say themselves.
So you can see why people are wondering about your bizarre remark, and some may even suspect you to have been disingenous.
Your failures are evident.
The only failure happening, is Lemmy still showing me notifications from y’all impotent toxic avengers in this community, after I blocked it multiple hours ago. So I’ll just start dishing them out individually. Enjoy.
That’s a lot of copium you got there
I don’t see cacheson denying genocide or celebrating authoritarianism.
well said comrade. here’s a ration
Tankies and fascists must never feel welcome, and for the same reasons. Even Chompskyites, monarchists, and ancaps pale in comparison. Tankies and fascists have no interest in being part of a functioning community that isn’t run by them.
… though I might suggest making ancaps unwelcome simply to avoid the inevitable age of consent arguments.
Why did you say fascist twice?
I won’t normally try to correct people on it, but fascists and tankies aren’t quite the same. The latter are vile authoritarians, but fascism is a more specific thing, even if it’s still kind of fuzzy and hard to nail down.
Though if you just meant it as a joke, carry on. o7
Tankies are vile human beings with an ultimately good goal (even if no real way of achieving it with their methods).
Fascists are vile human beings with vile goals.
I wouldn’t say the goal is good. Some aspects of it, yes, even if I don’t agree with it. But they openly call for violence against those they disagree with. I wouldn’t call that good.
I mean, I would call that the method. Generally, they theoretically are still calling for an end-goal of stateless communism.
A goal that will never be reached because it is a utopian dream. Human flaws will stop it occurring everytime, and that’s where the big problems are. They can only achieve it through violence, and every time it’s been tried that violence ends up being used to shore up the power of the few at the top.
We’re still better off with none of them, however
We don’t need to recreate the same shitty subs from reddit that just exist to make fun of people.
That’s literally a sub that hexbear has. Dunking on libs. That’s one of the core tenets of hexbear. (I’m not pro or anti hexbear, but they espouse the literal thing you’re defending them for.)
I’m not defending them? I’m just saying we don’t need to create a community to make fun of others. I just think if that’s all that instance is, block it or ask the instance defederate it.
ask the instance defederate it.
That’s in progress. The reason for the recent flurry of activity on this community is that hexbear recently federated with sh.itjust.works, and the users of both instances seem to now be pretty unhappy with that decision.
I’m fine with Hexbear users. They’re actually funny compared to their lemmygrad sisters.
Both of these instances, hexbear and lemmygrad, have similar communities that are much older and much larger. Are you going to go to each of these communities and make the same demands?
No, cause they’re clearly a problem and I recommended defederating instead. Are you suggesting you prefer you rather be like them? You admit they’re a problem but advocate to do the same thing as them. That’s a fucked up defense. You are bringing yourself to their level.
Moreover, I’m guessing they must be defederated from a lot of the instances in my network because I rarely ever see posts from them. But I see posts making fun of them constantly. So either they’re not a problem and others are or most of them took the nature and less toxic way of dealing with the issue.
If toxicity shows up in my feed, I’m not s fan and this has been showing up constantly.
And to circle back, are we four years old now that your argument is that they’re doing it so you can do to too? Jfc, grow the fuck up.
Who gives a shit?
Man i wish I could clean my shirt with the ironing of this comment 🤣
Liftoff says 131 replies but I only see less than a dozen. Feels good.
These are not intellectually serious people. They should not be treated as such.
Love how hexbears are living free in your mind.
Death to landlords
Why are you repeating trump supporter slogans????
“rent-free”, is a term that originated from Trump Supporters.No it wasnt
Oh, I’m wrong! Thank you!
Want me to delete my comment or leave it up?
Death to landlords
Aside from the tryhard edginess of it, is this supposed to be controversial?
I appreciate the fuck out of Hexbear. Over the past few years I’ve seen a massive ideological shift in a bunch of communities I use to enjoy. Like feminist communities shifted from egalitarian/humanist perspectives towards more bigioted attitudes, people stopped caring about confronting their own biases, and instead try to justify them, because “the patriarchy”. I’ve encountered these people in real life. I once got in an argument with another nonbinary with them telling me “You need to understand the world sees you as a white male”.
I see people getting called white supremace for calling out racism.
Sorry I know this is a ramble, still processing.
Anyways, now that I see the fingerprints of Marxism I can just call it out.
I think this is a side effect of social media algorithms as a whole. It pushes people into more extreme views of content/ideoligies that they already have, potentially pushing them to a point they wouldn’t have chosen.
Yeah, it’s hella dangerous
The thing is you use to see rebuttals, but now you don’t. I don’t really know, but I remember a massive shift when Trump began raising in popularity Reddit communities started to become a lot more insular. You’d get autobanned from communities if you posted in a subreddit with the wrong political affiliation.
And then just last year I was on my local subreddit, one user was just being blatant racist towards whites, another user posted “What happened to colourblindness”, I reported the first comment, the mods locked the second. So I asked what was up, and got told “colourblindness is white supremace rhetoric”, and they saw nothing wrong with the anti-white comment.
I think it’s not just the content that’s being curated, but our userbases.
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Lmfao. SJW is just as sensitive as Lemmy.world apparently
these people a literally cultists.
Same as the the MAGAts
Y’all “antiTankies” are just as much of a cult tbh
I’m in neither boat but believe we can wall work together for a better future
Find some common ground to bring down billionares instead
If that ground involves claiming that the Holodomor was the fault of the farmers, then I want nothing to do with it.
I’d agree with you, if Hexbears weren’t so obnoxious and cultish. First, they will hit you over the head with 20 different links on why the Tiananmen Square massacre was actually a fake, how the Uyghur genocide is fake as well, how China is the bestest democracy to ever have graced the earth and if you dare cite Wikipedia, you’re just spewing CIA talking points. They are anti-billionaire only to the extend they can blame the US for. And if you won’t play their little game of debunking all the drivel they throw at you, they just start to post their pig shit image. There’s a reason they have it hot-linked on their instance: https://www.hexbear.net/PPB (NSFW)
They should just enable downvotes
Oh that’s what that image is, lol that’s disgusting.
So eloquently and precisely did you sum up my experience with them that I am starting to suspect you are me.
No, it’s just that they all use the exact same play book
hot-linked
OK boomer
Big “antifa are the real fascists” energy.
North Korea calls itself democratic, they’re not. A name is just a name sometimes
whoosh
Okay, Im actually confused now. Whats the joke?
What
Are you seriously suggesting that if we just talk to them we can come to a compromise? Because they’re absolutely not interested in compromise, that’s why they’re like MEGA. They are absolutely categorically not interested in anyone else’s point of view, all they want to do is beat you repeatedly over the head with a big stick until you agree with them, or at least say you agree with them.
The world does not need ultra nationalists. We’ve had them before and they don’t make things better.
Both groups can just fuck off.
This finding common ground is always better than constantly trying to dunk on people ☝️
Just be glad they’re staying on hexbear and not creating alts on other instances.
They have been doing that. Other threads on lemmy world have the nazis admitting to it.
What is with the overuse of the term Nazi? Nazi means a “national socialist”, an ideology that is, among other things, anti-communist.
They say Nazi when they mean authoritarian.
They’re literally the opposite of nazis
Found an alt.
Check my post history idiot
They say Nazi when they mean authoritarian.
That’d be lemmygrad then that’d fit that
Reading these comments that looks exactly like what they are doing.
Because they are
You have to appreciate the irony of forcing people to be communist, or else. Literally doing the thing they are denying.
That’s not ironic. They’re authoritarians. I very much doubt that they’re against forcing people to be collectivists.
How is this instance not just lemmy grad they believe the same things and act the same.
- lemmygrad: Genocide denial
- hexbear: Genocide denial, but in vaporwave
