Seems people frequently talk about negative experiences of them then end up banned shortly after

Also seems like people are weirdly quick to jump to their defense for the internet

  • MonsieurHedge
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    492 years ago

    They’re annoying, like over-caffeinated teenagers, and they like to use what I presume are something like Twitch emotes that don’t work outside of hexbear, which looks really stupid.

    I don’t think they’re evil or anything, but they’re just so universally awful to deal with that I can fully support immediate no-questions-asked defederation. They’re the fediverse equivalent of a decent enough guy who just fucking reeks because they refuse to ever shower or wear deodorant.

  • Nakoichi [they/them]
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    192 years ago

    Almost like anti-communists get mad and almost immediately out themselves as reactionary pieces of shit shrug-outta-hecks

  • @[email protected]
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    1312 years ago

    My impression: They are authoritan fascists in favor of Russia taking over Ukraine and China taking over Taiwan, no matter what happens to the people or who gets murdered. I’ve read that they are leftists, but I have seen nothing pointing towards that before I defederated from them.

  • @[email protected]
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    352 years ago

    Unfortunately they are very in your face unless you fully submit to their view. They belittle your efforts if it is anything but outright revolution, cheer on horrible regimes and deny genocides. Very US centric point of view.

    Of course it is not all of them, but that’s what you will experience very soon if you interact with them, because it is a radicalized echo chamber let loose.

    Our instance actually managed to get defederated from them though. Although it wasn’t handled well from either side they seriously only dish out, but can’t take a hit. I won’t say that nothing of value was lost, because there were a few moderate users and of course some interesting content might be lost, but overall my lemmy experience got better without them.

  • @[email protected]
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    882 years ago

    My general experience is that they are obnoxious and combative and is working to make “the libs” have a bad time on Lemmy and when they are mentioned with these kinds of post they fill them saying that they are just some silly spicy boys in the hope that it will fool the people that are yet to meet them in the wild.

  • Cyrus Draegur
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    102 years ago

    I jump to the defense of hexbear because, well … I like them.

    They’re spicy.

    I’ve seen some truly heinous, ignorant, repugnant shit on here but it’s never actually been from hexbear users.

    (it’s been from lemmygrad users)

    hexbear users have been outspoken and unapologetically staunch in defending their positions, but never outright bloodthirsty or antagonistic.

    or at least, maybe my sarcasm detection is being more generous than it’s supposed to be, and registering false positives…? because to my view I’ve seen hexbears JOKE about some dark shit, but it never came across as unironically hostile to me.

    but anyway, my opinion alone won’t sway the outcome. if the consensus forms firmly against hexbear, i’ll just have to roll with that outcome. But i’d miss 'em, I would.

    • PrivateNoob
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      72 years ago

      Agreed. I feel that hexbear is kinda like 4chan. Some posts are 200 IQ sarcasm, rpfagging or just geniounely schizo.

      Although on sopuli.xyz they are banned, but I sometimes checked on the hexbear instance’s posts.

    • Gormadt
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      302 years ago

      Yeah I think your sarcasm detector is being too generous to them.

      Here’s a link to a thread (specifically a comment about why they federated) where they are talking about a recent rule change in regards to their rules of conduct.

      One of the admins response to the comment is pretty telling.

      Basically being, “keep doing what you’re doing just don’t do so in instance meta threads.”

      Honestly sorting the thread by “top” is also pretty telling on their opions.

  • 257m
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    552 years ago

    The place is awful. Waiting for individual instance banning.

    • Gormadt
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      Do you mean individual instance blocking?

      There’s a problem with that

      As far as I understand it that would mean that they’re votes still federate on posts and comments.

      So you may block them but their influence on posts will still be felt.

      Honestly switching to an instance that isn’t federated with them or trying to convince your local admins to do so is the better option.

      Though being on Lemmy.ml convince the admins will likely be a serious uphill battle.

      • 257m
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        32 years ago

        I mean having thw insrance not show in your feed. I know Connect has that but I want something that is proper FOSS.

        • @[email protected]
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          I just double checked, and Sync lets you filter instances so they don’t show on your feed. You’ll still see their comments, but at least they won’t leak into your feed.

          Also specific pages can be filtered so it’s not the whole instance, or users, so they don’t show up when scrolling. Still not sure if it blocks the user though, because I don’t always remember who I filtered.

      • @[email protected]
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        162 years ago

        Personally I specifically looked for an instance that defederates only illegal content, I can do the blocking of content I don’t care for myself. The most important thing is that I get as close to no preselected bias in my feed as possible.

        From there I can block or hide whatever, I just want it to be my choice. Which is why I find all the defederation calls concerning. Use the blocking feature, defederation excludes discourse as well, and I would rather not sit in an echo chamber.

        • JasSmith
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          62 years ago

          I fully agree. I’m here so that I can avoid the political echo chambers like Reddit and Facebook. It’s been bizarre seeing the calls to turn Lemmy into Facebook.

    • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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      182 years ago

      these are some mighty bold words. bold words that i could place next to a soyjak. you best think your next words carefully, son hst-gun

  • @[email protected]
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    712 years ago

    They’re annoying as fuck with a toxic culture, which is why they were running as isolated instance for so long

    • posthexbearposting [they/them]
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      No it was because we started before federation was in the codebase, and it took a lot of development work before we were able to federate due to the forks diverging. But ok genius.

  • HSL
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    102 years ago

    Locking this thread down due to breaking instance rule #2.

  • Blake [he/him]
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    392 years ago

    I think a lot of the backlash is because people are used to being inside their comfortable echo chambers where dissenting voices are totally marginalised and they felt like their opinions were universally shared among sensible people.

    With federation, those echo chambers are interacting with each-other a lot more than they usually would, on relatively equal footing, and being confronted by the idea that other people think that your opinions are shit and that you tacitly support some evil practice is an uncomfortable feeling! The natural inclination is to reject that sort of experience as a jerk who is intentionally trolling you, personally, because they’re wrong or brainwashed or whatever.

    The reality is that we’re all just flawed people who aren’t very good at dealing with our emotions and it’s a lot easier to blame and banish someone who disagrees with us than to talk to them and come to a consensus. But the latter is how we actually solve our conflicts.

    We have a lot more in common with each-other than separates us.

    Except from Nazis, fuck Nazis.

    • Nakoichi [they/them]
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      192 years ago

      We have a lot more in common with each-other than separates us.

      This is the correct take.

      People on this site have a bad habit of larping like any red or black army actually exists or is even likely to exist in the near term. Saying stuff like never organize with X group as though there aren’t already few enough leftists out here to begin with.

      We’re so far from the point where we can even imagine what faction of the left will claim a majority in any hypothetical revolution and people are arguing about China or “red-fash” nonsense when we have a crumbling empire right at our feet that needs us to organize and unite.

      We have a hell of a lot of work to do both in outreach and education and must provide a clear alternative to reactionary groups for the masses losing faith in the legitimacy or efficacy of liberal capitalism before we start rehashing 100 year old ideological beefs.

      The tankies aren’t going to murder you, there’s no impending revolution for the anarchists to betray and thinking that the exact same historical conflicts and mistakes will be inevitably repeated is defeatist and anti-materialist.

      A better world is possible. None of us can accurately say how or when we will get there but unless we get our shit together it will be to late. Maybe it already is too late, maybe the world has already ended but we have to at least try.

      • Blake [he/him]
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        222 years ago

        I would be happy to answer your question, but these things can be quite complex - would you help me by letting me know what you understand fascism to mean, and what you understand communism to mean? It’s important that we establish mutual agreement on the meaning of those terms before we can really discuss further!

  • Gormadt
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    982 years ago

    They’re a bunch of tankies who dogpile, sealion, and brigade at basically any opportunity.

    They literally have a community on their website dedicated to shitting on people they disagree with while having rules that require you to provide a link to them and not having a rule against interacting unless it’s with instance admins. They’ll defend it saying it’s not for brigading but it’s obvious what it’s for. “This isn’t for brigading,” then doesn’t condemn brigading when it happens.

  • @[email protected]
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    122 years ago

    Personally I enjoy their antics, I prefer their brand to the one of the right wing circle jerk and if they manage to impede theirs I am more than fine about them.

  • @[email protected]
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    Lemmy is mostly leftists and communists and it seems that patience is running thin on how some very active reactionary HB’s behave against the ideologies. There are also cool & funny leftists there but they get lost in noise.

    • @[email protected]
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      142 years ago

      Lemmy isn’t mostly leftists and commies, it’s that the leftist and commie instances defederated with the right wing instances

      • @[email protected]
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        72 years ago

        It’s both true that Lemmy is mostly leftists and communists, and which have defederated from right wingers

      • Gormadt
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        And good riddance to that

        I enjoy a place where I don’t argue with right-wing people all the time

        And during my instances time federated with Hexbear it was a shitty time for sure as arguing with those people was just as terrible

        • JasSmith
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          I, too, enjoy my safe echo chambers. Just like Facebook!

          • @[email protected]
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            132 years ago

            You must have some well curated Facebook. Mine has been mingling extreme left acquaintances with extreme right old country ass family members for over a decade.

          • @[email protected]
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            102 years ago

            That’s only a problem if you’re using it as a primary way to interact with the world or inform yourself. If it’s just entertainment, you don’t actually need to see anti-sjw and cool america facts memes along with your cat pictures to be a balanced person.

        • NumbersCanBeFun
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          172 years ago

          No, now I just get to argue with random idiots that cherry pick my comments apart on meme posts to manufacture a reason to be angry 😒

          It’s tiring, otherwise I am also happy that there is a lot less right wing ideology on these instances.