Turns out, the way you learn to take care of others, is by learning to take care of yourself. Play, experimentation, and meaning are critical for well-being. When you’ve experienced the healthy state, it becomes much easier to recognize what would bring happiness to others. The individual is not antithetical to the community… the individual is the building block of community. And sick individuals, people who have lost sight of the bigger picture and their own happiness, create sick communities.

But don’t try to get into art school! That’ll end bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdcxi10mduA&ab_channel=verytallbart

Countless young men do find him persuasive. They feel abandoned by everyone else and there is this man who comes along and convinces them he knows “the way”. Talking about how “unconvincing” his arguments are won’t stop this from happening.

There really isn’t a way to stop this from happening, short of a complete shake up of American culture and government. The only reason young men gravitate towards JP is because he is telling them what they want to hear.

For the first time in American society, young white men with degrees are no longer guaranteed the middle class life they have always been told they deserve. Instead of realizing that that has been the status quo for literally every other person in the country, and that the system is inherently corrupt…

They are told that they should feel angry, they are told they need to fight to maintain the status quo and domination of power. Jordan Peterson isn’t combating the emotional abandoment of men, he’s stoking it. His only care is to maintain the social norms racial and sexual supremacy.

Also… I don’t buy that young men have been emotionally abandoned, at least not moreso than any other time in history. Just compared to 30 years ago when I was a kid, men now a days have a plethora of ways to connecting to people, or seeking help.

I suggest FD signifier’s video as a starting point to familiarize with the issues.

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goes out to adopt 1,000 young men

It’s a lot like how people wonder how others fall for scam calls and emails when they look and sound so obviously like bullshit, you’re not the target audience if you see through it.

Stuff like this is why I will never understand people following him. Like, I get it. It’s the bigotry. And when it comes to that, nothing else matters. I understand it on paper.

But at the same time… why? When he’s constantly wrong, or when they have to constantly lie about the things he says, why keep listening to him? Why are they like this?

Richard Dawkins has a pretty fun comment about that https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NvzMJqkZV74

I can only assume he played a bit too much Assassin’s Creed before coming up with that one.

Hell even if they had ladder double helixes the most reasonable explanation would be a laborer did some psychedelics and either blew a priest’s mind with it or decided to incorporate the thing that blew their mind into some detailed work. It’s not difficult structure to imagine while tripping and ancient people sure did trip from time to time.

In general, assume ancient people were on drugs before you assume ancient people had knowledge of the complex structures they didn’t have the tools to observe.

I love that channel. It’s one of the best channels I’ve discovered all year. A perfect balance of entertainment with deep dives into current hot topics. It’s like John Oliver but triple the length and even more sarcasm.

Really? He’s on the “Ancient Super Humans were Super Geniuses!” pack? I expected him to have a higher level of research than fucking Spirit Science, but naw.

Don’t forget the time he wanted to quit benzos to show how masculine he was. His doctors wanted to taper him down so his brain didn’t fry (benzo addiction alters brain chemistry and withdrawal can seriously screw you up or kill you if you stop), but trying to taper off over several years wasn’t manly and powerful. So he flew to Russia and got a few potentially sketchy doctors to put him in a medical coma for a month, and that’s part of why he’s so fucked up now.

Oh, or the part where his daughter convinced him to only ever eat red meat, and literally nothing else.

Lobster Peterson: “The way these snakes are drawn in resemblance to the structure of DNA, it is evident that ancient civilizations were familiar with the concept of DNA.”

Bro, they fucking

Joke’s on you. The crazy hair guy explained that ancient aliens taught Egyptians how to pyramid dna. Pwned!

Yup, to cure benzo habit.

And then he had to do physical therapy afterwards for months to recover from the medically induced coma that only Russia allows since the rest of the world doesn’t allow the procedure since it isn’t backed by any science.

That guy.

It’s understandable - back in the day, he had some reasonable points and an academic veneer. If course, what he was saying tended to have a strong bias, and didn’t stand up to scrutiny, but it’s hard to fault a 16 year old looking for guidance for falling for it. Hindsight is 20 20 - particularly when the negative tendencies ratcheted up rapidly over time.

Since his Russian benzo coma (remember, kids - clean your room and don’t criticise others or systemic issues unless your life is perfect… pay no attention to my crippling addiction as I peddle that advice), things took a hard turn. I honestly think he suffered non-trivial brain damage. He’s far more erratic, bursts into tears at the drop of a hat (while trying to sell “traditional” masculinity, his takes have lost their academic veneer and are self-evidently stupid. There’s a reason he may be stripped of his accreditation.

TL;DR: Peterson went from being a pseudo-intellectual preacher to a lolcow, and (to me) the benzo coma seems to have been the catalyst for that shift.

I’m still pissed that because he badly quotes and misinterprets Jung all the time, people assume Jung is bullshit by association.

Being 16 is the best excuse you could have for believing anything that cretin says. You’re good bro.

This is why the arguments 16 year olds should vote are terrible

I did what I did for everything, and I took it with a grain of salt. This had the unfortunate side effect of just not following others and keeping up with the latest trends. Oh well, I feel happier than ever before

I didn’t believe him, I believed the positive messages he send and implanted. I don’t care about him nowadays, but I also don’t regret internalizing certain stuff he preached. It wasn’t totally bullshit of what he said, until a point where he completely drifted off.

Thankfully I stopped watching any of his stuff quite a while before that happened, so I dodged this whole mess and only saw the burning ship wrack from the distance. I understand the hard feelings of others who are more involved in this topic though.

To agree, that something someone said, was correct, isn’t a bad thing. Even if the stuff that follows is off the mark.

To regret that, would also mean regretting failure, but without failure there’s no progress.

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You’re lucky you can downvote it lol

Although I’m hoping to find a lobster taking the bait when I scroll downthread in a moment here so it might be good for comedy at least

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It’s so weird for me that he seemed surprised that benzos are, in fact, highly addictive with severe withdraw symptoms. Isn’t he a psychologist and potentially someone who is allowed to prescribe such drugs?

Wasn’t it benzos? They are used to treat anxiety.

I don’t know if it’s a new trend or something, but lots of people have something interesting to say, and say lots of hogwash besides and everyone gobbles it all up including the hogwash. You don’t have to go all in when reading someone’s work. For example, I read Freud and it was quite interesting. Most of it was horseshit (although historically interesting), but he still made the point that we don’t do all that we do consciously , which was hugely important.

Ideas and memes (in the original sense) are there to be examined and weighed against one another, not followed blindly.

So Petersen (I’m not really sure who that is), why not, he might have some salient points, even though he seems to be a controversial figure, apparently rightly so.

Something something broken clocks.

“Clean your room, bucko” is advice many people’s moms tried to give them but too many of them had to hear it from a cryptofascist crank LARPing as the world’s father figure before they listened to it.

Most of his fans have never really read his more academic works (like the one with the grandma sex dream). So, I guess they like his vibe. But his vibe is weepy alcoholic. What’s so great about that?

Weepy alcoholic is coded tragically cognoscent in America.

There’s only one weepy alcoholic I’ll stan and it’s

I recently had a fairly high fever and became pretty emotional over absolutely mundane shit. JBP talks and acts like has a brain damaging fever every day of his life.

Actual real world Guy Maddin character

I don’t know whether he recognizes it but 20 something disenfranchised dudes are uniquely subsceptible to aphorisms without context and if there’s one thing JBP does well it’s that

How did you steal my alt account? I thought I was the only dipshit on here.

Realistically, half the economy runs essentially on that.

Fashion, large parts of tech (Facebook, Tinder, Pornhub,…), entertainment, …

He got famous for being a transphobe who misrepresented some propsed Canadian law to pretend to be oppressed. He was always bad

The problem has always been that he took (quite simplistic) valid life advise such as ‘keep your living quarters in order’ and mixed it with ideological bullshit such as ‘hierarchies are entirely natural’ or ‘women should be subservient’.