• @[email protected]
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    52 years ago

    Wasn’t this the same thing that Ukraine was saying in the lead-up to the invasion though? Maybe not the “join the Russians before they shoot a brother” part, but saying that the invasion wouldn’t happen. It’s been a year and a half, but I thought it was the US sounding the alarm bells in the run-up to the invasion, while everyone else was saying it wasn’t going to happen.

    • @[email protected]OPM
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      I took that as more disbelief - why would our Russian neighbours agree to invade and murder us when we haven’t done anything to them?

    • @[email protected]
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      192 years ago

      Ukraine had been preparing for this invasion since Crimea 2014, so they were definitely not saying that

      • @[email protected]
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        42 years ago

        What?

        Whether it was meant to keep their population from panicking is a valid discussion, but saying that Ukraine was not saying the invasion was unlikely is a total lie.

      • @[email protected]
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        102 years ago

        IIRC they were saying publicly that they didn’t think Russia would invade, but in retrospect it’s clear they knew it was coming. I think they were just doing everything they could to deescalate the situation in the hope that Putin might be talked out of it.

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        Merkel played Putin for a fool with the Minsk treaty. Putin was dishonest in accepting the treaty, he always planned for a larger scale landgrab later on and started preparing for it. What he didn’t see coming was that the west, especially Merkel (these two really hated each others guts) saw right through his lies and NATO started preparing Ukraine for the coming invasion. Add to this the lies and corruption of the russian agents in Ukraine, who pocketed funds meant to prepare the landgrab by paying off locals, and you have the gigantic failure the planned “one week special military operation” has become.

        • @[email protected]
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          12 years ago

          Merkel was happily making Germany reliant on Russian gas.

          Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and Merkel pushed for NS2 afterwards.

          Merkel is absolutely not some NATO saviour.

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            Well the gas thing is complicated. Nearly every middle european country heavily relied on russian gas bc it was so damn cheap and gave them a competitive advantage. Europe was like a junkie on the needle “oh its not so bad nothing will happen”. But the invasion was a wake up call, and action was taken. There is still much to do, dont get me wrong, but we have come a long way. Russian invasion finally paved the way to collective european action and acquisitions on the gas market and that has helped to prevent blackouts (that Russia no doubt wanted) and tame the insane prices we had for a while a little. Thing is, there isnt many good reliable options for the amounts of gas europe needs. Norway stepped in big time (and they are the only really reliable and democratic country delivering large quantities). Middle east countries come with their own problems and unreliablities and american LNG is very expensive bc of transport (and building LNG terminals in the capacity now required takes time). In the long run, we just need to use less fossil fuels and more renewables, but that cant be done in a year or even 10 years.

            • @[email protected]
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              I’m sorry but appeasing Russia by building another gas pipeline after they invaded Ukraine in 2014 was an awful thing to do, and it bit them on the arse, rightfully so.

              One of your senior politicians involved ended up working for Gazprom.

              Before the full-scale invasion, UK, US, and Polish intelligence were saying a war was imminent. Germany (and France tbf) were calling the US/UK/Poland warmongers. Aged quite poorly didn’t it?

              And at the start of the war, Germany’s response was “we’ll send 5000 helmets, which will take months to arrive”. A piss-poor level of support. Thankfully they started stepping up as the war progressed and it became clear it was popular to do so.

              Add to that Germany, despite being by far the richest country in Europe, isn’t even the biggest supporter of Ukraine in Europe.

              Idk why you’re painting Merkel/Germany in such a positive light here. They appeased Russia for ages, Germany only took a tougher stance on Russia well after Merkel was gone.

    • MxM111
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      That was probably done to calm the population. Because they did had mobilization when Russian troops were “exercising” near Ukrainian border that winter.

  • @[email protected]
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    112 years ago

    Well, from what I can tell there might be a bit of a logic error in here as well. Unless the person is assuming Ukraine considers Russia a brother but Russia doesn’t think of Ukraine as a brother?

  • @[email protected]
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    232 years ago

    They obviously never learned the three things in life you don’t fuck with:

    • Mother Nature
    • Mother-in-laws
    • Motherfucking Ukrainians

    (The Italian job)

    • @[email protected]
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      Always bugged the shit out of me that he actually says “mother freaking” in that scene

      Completely ruined my suspension of disbelief and I still cringe when remembering it.

      • @[email protected]
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        I feel like it was overdubbed to get to PG-13 rating. His lips don’t line up with it, and it sounds off.

  • @[email protected]
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    262 years ago

    We need more of this sort of dreading up of the recent past. I remember this was not an uncommon statement at the time, but all of a sudden its like everyone is trying to gaslight us into a different past.

    • The dogspaw
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      22 years ago

      I don’t think he was lying just extremely arrogant who wouldn’t want to be apart of the great Russian empire

        • Dojan
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          If anything doesn’t that indicate that it’s not as likely, what with pedophiles, nazis, and what have you being let onto Twitter again in the name of “free speech?”

          • HeartyBeast
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            I’m going to guess that Xwitter still kicks off accounts that are associated with bot farms and other astroturfing efforts and ythis may have been one of them.

          • @[email protected]
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            The difference between those groups and Russian propagandists is that you-know-who sympathises with the former but not the latter

            • Sorchist
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              Doesn’t he though? He’s gotten grumpy about helping the Ukranians with internet from time to time, and he’s declared that Russia should get to keep Crimea. I bet if the invasion of Ukraine happened today he’d have refused to help Ukraine with Starlink at all, he’s so far down the far-right rabbit hole.

        • IHeartBadCode
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          “Notice me Putin Senpai!”

          I have to admit, the number of people who simp for Authoritarians is much higher than I thought it would ever be.

        • @[email protected]
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          152 years ago

          Imagine posting this drivel on the Internet and you’re not even getting any money for making such a fool of yourself in public

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            It seems to happen in a lot of areas today. This generation let a lot things erode because of it. I remember people defending the introduction of ads on to the internet.

            “Its just a 30 second skippable ad. Stop complaining”,

            “so what they collect a little data, they want to gear ads to their audience”,

            “Its 4 consecutive 2 min unskippable ads, who cares. Not the end of the world”,

            “they built a profile of you that lists everyone you know through social media using the tools and methods they learned from these ad systems. The profile lists all your motivations, wants and needs based off your favorite Mr. Beast shorts that they use to target political ads meant to radicalize you and if not you then your friends, Dada, uncles, moms, sisters. Shut up and drink your athletic greens.”

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    I used to lurk on r/AskRussia, and in the run up to the invasion most of the Russians there (who may or may not be representative of Russians in general, I dunno) were confidently saying that there was no way Russia was going to invade Ukraine, it was unthinkable they’d do that to their brothers and neighbours, and it was just Western propaganda. When the invasion happened they were in complete shock, you could tell that many of them felt completely ashamed of their government, at the lies, and that they’d believed them.

    • @[email protected]
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      At the time I recall saying “they bought a hell of a lot of flowers to not hold the wedding.”

    • @[email protected]
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      122 years ago

      Except at the time it was a shock to most people. The consensus before the invasion was that Russia was just posturing. But then they went for it.

      • @[email protected]
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        A surprise to everyone except anybody who listened to American intelligence agencies who were broadcasting (very loudly I might add) exactly when and how it would happen.

        • @[email protected]
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          52 years ago

          It just demonstrates how little a lot of the world trusts the American government and it’s agencies.

          • @[email protected]
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            It’s also the conservatives kicking the boots of fascists and the liberal bias toward “reason will prevail” - in spite of all evidence to the contrary.

            A distrust of the government and its agencies is healthy, but you need to consider what they have to gain/lose before dismissing them - there’s a reason the US doesn’t have healthcare.

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          For like 6 months they were broadcasting that it would happen any day, in the meantime they knew Ukranian artillery barrages were increasing exponentially, almost like they were trying to provoke a response

    • @[email protected]
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      Sorry I responded to the wrong person!

      This article from Jun. 2022 states Ukraine hoped they could descalte with sanctions: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/11/biden-zelensky-russia-invasion-warnings-putin/

      This article from Aug. 2022 states Ukraine knew it was going to happen but they down played it to prevent a financial crisis: https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-reveals-why-he-didnt-warn-his-citizens-russian-invasion-1734268

      I’m not sure if both are versions of the truth, where they were hoping to descalte and prevent a financial crisis. I’m sure either way they were hoping it wouldn’t happen.

    • @[email protected]
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      As an ethnic russian living in Germany this was exactly the way I felt. But afaik this sadly does not reflect the general russian population. I think people have always less problems to accept more lies than to accept that they have been fooled.

    • @[email protected]
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      We all need to remember online spaces like reddit generally lean younger and more liberal. We never really get a holistic view of any situation. Just as people on reddit would say “we didn’t want trump” and the response was “clearly over half of you did” from europeans, this is another example of how we have to realize we are in our own little bubble in these online communities.

  • @[email protected]
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    This tweet was cottage cheese when it was posted.

    Russians have a slur specifically for Ukrainians. They couldn’t even tell half of the countries in Europe. But they’ll go out of their way to go after Ukraine.

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      I’m Ukrainian myself and know Russian and I don’t know of any slur. TIL, I guess

      Edit: *didn’t. I have since been informed

        • Druid
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          52 years ago

          Actually the first time I heard that. Then again, I live in Germany and haven’t been exposed to cursing too much. Damn.

          • @[email protected]
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            I’m German of Russian descent and I’ve been hearing this slur since I was a child, but I only understood the meaning once the Russians invaded. It’s very commonly used among Russians, unfortunately. Fuck em.

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    472 years ago

    Ukrainians will lay down their arms so they don’t have to shoot a brother. What is Russia doing?

  • @[email protected]
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    42 years ago

    What the hell is ASB News??

    The only thing that I could find is that ASB might stand for Army Science Board, but the logos don’t match so not sure if they are the same entity.