Admittedly, I don’t know much about Brexit, but from what I have been exposed to, it seems like a decisively economical and political impairment that made travel and business with the rest of Europe more difficult and costly. Since it is so highly criticized as a terrible move, why doesn’t the UK just rejoin the EU?
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Shame.
It’s not an on-off relationship.
it’s like an unstable ex-girlfriend trying to get back together. and now she’s down on her luck with even less to offer.
UK just needs to suck a few dicks and we’re all good ;)
Idk about you but I’m not letting Boris anywhere near my dong.
I think you meant Mr. Sunak, which is only a marginal improvement.
The ones who fucked our country don’t want to admit they were wrong.
The party that’s been in charge of our country has been dismantling and selling everything worthwhile for over a decade, and the only viable alternative party seems to be running on “we don’t want to change anything major, but at least we’re not those guys” because they’re too scared to say anything after their last leader got torn apart constantly by the right-wing press.
I’m honestly worried about what we’ve become and how everything is just getting worse here. Nobody seems to have any hope for the future anymore, there are no positive things to look forward to, just a constant spiral of rising costs and declining health and public services.
The UK political cycle:
- Tories elected because they made people think Labour were bad with money
- Tories stay in power for a couple of decades
- Rich people get richer, public services get shitter, prices for everyone else get higher. They coast along on a tide of right-wing populism for awhile
- Eventually people catch on, Tories get voted out
- Labour need to spend a fortune getting things back on track. Might get two terms.
- Go to 1.
I guess they are currently at step 2 or 3…
Steps 3, 4. If you have a look at the current polling.
This is why we desperately need PR to break the two party cycle.
Definitely.
This is also the Canadian political cycle, it seems.
US as well!
The sad truth is it will need to get much worse until conservatives will admit there is a problem and let progressives solve it.
It has always been this way. You either live in a progressive, upwardly moving state with improving quality of life or you get stuck in a conservative, stagnant or downward trending place where people are more concerned with “others” than they are with doing anything productive as a society. As a species, we seem to slowly wobble back and forth between these extremes. It’s maddening.
It’s in our nature to destroy ourselves.
Hubris.
Britain had a highly favourable agreement with the EU that it negotiated decades ago. If it wanted to rejoin, it would do so without those privileges.
No more £ for you.
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Also a rebate, as one of the top 3 economies we should have paid a lot more in than we were.
Despite her being associated with Euroskeptics I suspect even Thatcher would have been a Remainer.
While that it is definitely true, her reasons would be that it is easier to control and weaken the EU from the inside than from the outside.
they can £ sand
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I find it hard to believe that the EU would deny any and all membership benefits for the UK purely out of spite.
It is not out of spite. More like a “Fool me once” situation. Brexit has cost the EU a lot - not as bad as it is for the UK, but still. If the UK ever rejoins, they would have to make sure that such a shit show never ever happens again. If only to sell it to the EU members who all have to be convinced that the UK will be a good boy from that point on.
If the Brexit train wreck proved anything, it’s that the EU isn’t as impressed with the UK as the UK thinks they are. Almost all attempts to strike a good deal were rejected, and the UK got rushed into a hard Brexit after years of nothing.
Remember, the EU isn’t just about money and trade. It’s also about unifying the European people. Some countries are in it just for the money, but they’ll at least keep up the pretenses that they want to work for a united Europe. The UK made their opinion about these ideals quite clear while politicians tried to out-nationalism each other during Brexit, and I don’t think other countries will just forget about it.
I doubt EU politicians will let the UK get away with all of their exceptions and privileges a second time.
it’s being held hostage by very wealthy interests, who benefit from the chaos
Assuming the UK could get itself together and find the political willpower to do so…it still won’t be easy. The EU has to agree to it, and it would require all members of the EU approving them rejoining.
As I recall, the EU warned them that if they left it would be very challenging for them to rejoin. The idea was to discourage them from leaving the EU in the first place. But they did. And now they have to live with the consequences.
I really would like to see reactions from France if Britain makes moves to rejoin.
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Why would the EU accept that? GB needs to make its mind about that. It had so many specific benefits in the EU, and it still left because an idiot gambled the decision in a referendum.
The brexit could have meant the end of the EU. It’s not something you can come and go on a whim. So GB needs to pay for its stupid decision, because the stability of the EU depends on it, no country should ever get the idea that leaving the EU is inconsequential.
Sure. There’s an application process; supposedly they can apply. It will take years, with a lot of conditions, and none of the previous exemption they had.
Screw England, let’s just let Scotland and Wales join without them
Wales voted out
if we held the referendum again - no new voters, everyone votes exactly the same as they did before - remain would win simply because enough elderly leave voters have died since then that now it would swing the other way, so its likely is sentiment is not trending positive
Regions of Wales with a large English retiree population voted out.
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U forgot abt northern ireland
That’s reunification with Eire, which is already in the EU.
I doubt u could reunify without mass deportation or genocide of half the population I think the best option is becoming our own country and joining the ru before reuniting. Sure no ones happy at first but it’s the only way to keep the peace.
The Ulster Unionists have basically given up on doing anything as a protest against the Tories back in Westminster, who have basically screwed them over to get their majority. Meanwhile, Sinn Fein have stopped their protest and started working again, and there does seem to be an appetite for a referendum on reunification. It’ll cause some people to lose their minds over it, but Eire has been the good guy on that side of the Irish Sea, and Westminster have all but abandoned them with the Northern Ireland Protocol. Whether Westminster allows such a referendum is another thing, if it does happen, it’ll be after Scotland get theirs, and hopefully along with Wales, they’ll get their say in the matter.
Extremely based opinion
there are no stupid questions. there are however stupid people which most of the time are prideful for the silliest things.
If I’m not mistaken, the pro-Brexit party (they call them Torys) has been in charge. If they want to move in a different direction, they need to vote different people in, which has not been happening very quickly.
Politics is complicated, basically.
Worth noting that the true pro-Brexit party was UKIP, but the conservatives wanted their voters so adopted a pro brexit stance.
I don’t think most Tory’s really wanted it to happen (bad for business), David Cameron thought he could get an easy win by holding a referendum and nipping the Brexit talk in the bud, but bit off more than he could chew.
Brexit remained popular with voters for a while, and conservatives have leaned into it being the right decision and demonising immigrants since because they’re fucking up everything else.
Many Tory’s wanted it to happen so they could create a corporation-haven of sorts without the EU having a say in it. Essentially getting rid of “annoying” regulations that keeps people safe.
Yeah, I think there was a bit of a split.
Either way, both sides had self serving intentions, which is oddly enough what unites the conservatives.
It’s really weird, as the whole EU deal was Margaret Thatcher’s legacy, and her own party threw it away!!!
I’m no fan of Thatcher but she did some good things during her tenure - negotiating the UK’s place in the EU and setting up Channel 4 spring to mind - and I honestly think she would be utterly devastated if she saw what her party had become today.
I think they wanted to play on the EU outrage, but they didn’t actually want to leave.
The EU deal was nothing to do with Thatcher. She never wanted the UK to join the EU and vehemently opposed the Maastricht Treaty.
She supported economic union, not political.
Others have already mentioned some of the many reasons why.
But i would like to add that even if they’d rejoin, they could not do so with the same conditions that they had before. Since they joined the predecessors of the EU so early, they had a number of privileges that a new joining member nowadays would not be granted. So from that side “going back to how things were before” wouldn’t be possible to begin with.
