- Toxic Positivity: “Everything is always great” and the unspoken rule to never talk about your issues.
- Mental health issues not being taken seriously and/or treatment being forced on you
- Alcohol culture: “if we haven’t had a beer together, i don’t know you”
- meetings. As a programmer i can be super productive, but then i’ll be interrupted by a meeting… and that meeting is an hour long… completely stripping my concentration and now i gotta get it back up…
- retro-meetings … talking about what has been done in the last week… and what we liked and what we hated… i never know what to say “yeah i finished shit” or “i hate working with this shit” but then you have to elaborate…
Retro meetings are useful but I think some people do them wrong.
First off, who remembers shit from a week or two ago? We started a document at the start of the sprint so we could add stuff throughout the sprint as it happened. Made it easy to remember and actually talk about stuff.
Secondly, retro meetings should typically get shorter the longer you’re on a team. You use the meetings to find out what works for you and then most of the rest of the time it’s a short meeting unless there are issues to talk about.
And no one should be forced to participate. After a while there usually isn’t anything in particular to comment on.
So, a brand new team might have a lot to talk about for the first couple of retros because they do things slightly differently (how they go about determining risks, how people pick up peer reviews, etc) but after identifying those problem areas in the retros it should be pretty smooth sailing.
I know every now and then I have to reiterate to my team that they need to prioritize peer reviews. You can’t let 5-8 stack up just because you don’t want to do them or whatever other reason they have. Thankfully I finally have someone on my team who gets just as annoyed with them as I do so I don’t have to always be the broken record.
So, I figure all modern corporate offices are exactly the same then. There is some good stuff in there, but it is so over the top and forced that it sort of ruin the benefits imo.
Positivity is great, even if it is forced a little, but hiding all negativity, issues and criticism make forced positivity completely useless. Not to mention that at the office I worked there was virtually always one or many of your “bosses” in earshot, in every situation. There wasn’t a daily, a meeting or a workstation in that job where some guy responsible for my promotions and employment wasn’t listening. This is how you make sure nothing of value is ever said in your dailies and retro meeting. It’s all great!
Now let’s play the game of figuring the smallest politically correct nitpick to mention during the retro so that we can check that self-improvement/self-organizing checkbox in front of the boss. What, you think over 10 hours of useless scrum meeting is wasteful, on top of the actual important meetings? Well, better not mention it. I mean you could, but shitting on scrum will get you canned. Do you think the way points/hours/complexity is evaluated completely miss the mark? Or are you tempted to mention Goodhart’s law when reviewing whatever metric in Jira? Well, better not do that, because you might as well say that your boss’s job needs not to exist. Better not mention anything that might compromise someone else in front of the boss, or anything that could be used against you in a review.
Because that’s the thing, since no one ever admit to mistake and make themselves vulnerable, if you’re the only one to do it it’s gonna raise “red flags” and you’re gonna hear about it in your next review. Better give a good not-so-anonymous review to your immediate managers too, raising any sort of issues could prevent one, or both of you from getting promoted with increased pay.
Forced positivity is horribly fake. Are you American perchance?
No, it was a big international corporation. But afaik the forced positivity was universal.
Rattling ceiling tiles. I have a stick at my desk devoted to banging on ceiling tiles so they stop rattling. That sound is literally one of the most annoying things I experience.
No one else seems to care.
The problem is that there’s unequal pressure above and below the tiles, if your building has mechanics or even maintenance at a stretch they could fix this for you. I used to deal with little things like this pretty regularly when I did building maintenance.
People having video calls at their desks. We have soundproof booths and conference rooms but no, people will just talk loudly in the open space area. It’s like people talking on the phone on a bus. Hearing only one side of the conversation is super distracting. Sometimes two people sitting next to each other will be on the same video call. I guess more people are bothered but not enough to do something about it.
Sounds like the soundproofed rooms are for people who want privacy, and/or quiet place to work
The soundproofed rooms don’t have extra monitors or proper chairs so they suck for long time work.
For our office we’ve had to resort to this and it’s pretty miserable. There are simply not enough conference rooms and phone rooms to handle all the meetings. People are unfortunately typically in teams with people across the country so every meeting is a video call. It’s really annoying so many people just end up wearing noise canceling headphones.
I sometimes send them quotes from their own conversation on chat.
Passive aggressive ftw 😁
That’s not actually passive aggressive, that’s just being sassy. The term “passive aggressive” refers to something completely different than what most people think.
Open offices are a mistake.
Having to reserve conference rooms to have a semblance of quietude is a terrible system. I don’t miss that shit.
We had a loud talkative guy at my place. Fucking deep voice that he was projecting like he was on a stage or something. It was not possible to have a conversation near him when he was on Zoom. We barely spoke in the open area anyway, but some people just wouldn’t shup up. I can still hear their stupid voice when I think about it.
I didn’t have an issue with open offices before the pandemic. We barely had any video calls (everyone was at the office) and people kept it down. Then everything switched to video and a lot of people are assholes.
I did not really mind when I worked at a ~10 people company, it kind of made sense. Working on a floor with over a hundred people in an open office was miserable. There was always someone on Zoom or people having live meeting in earshot.
Blow my mind that all those office managers and floor planners and supposedly expert at organizing a work environment think that it make sense to cram in hundred of people working on wildly different stuff together at earshot distance. How hard would it be to create big divisions so that you only get to hear the 10 or so people which you’re directly involved with. Anyway, there was clearly an “everyone must be an extrovert” culture thing going on. The higher ups sure seemed to enjoy hearing and seeing everyone everywhere all the time.
This is the one. I hate being in the office for this reason, unless I’m just there to socialise. I can’t bring myself to take a call in an open plan space. It just feels rude to the people in the office, but also those on the call who will get a stream of all the calls everyone in the office are on.
Do you have enough rooms from everyone at the same time ?
Yes, I keep seeing people shouting at their desk with a empty booth 2m next to them.
Teams! It literally never works on Linux and you cannot change a single thing about it. I’m so tired of having to tell people that today my teams cannot share shit, which worked flawlessly yesterday.
Teams is shit. I use it at work on Windows, and it’s still shit.
Searching something in the chat? Complete dogshit. Half the times it just straight up doesn’t work, the rest of the times it shows only the message where searched word is present and not the point in discussion when this message happened.
Keybinds. Non-customisable. Keybinds. Who in their right mind does that?! I once heard that keybind customisation would confuse “normies”, which is complete moot. So-called “normies” won’t go to the settings (or at least, to keybinds) anyway and will be either satisfied with defaults or won’t use them at all.
It also cannot restrict how many notifications it displays in the corner - so when things are getting spicier at work, it spams whole right side of your screen (gods help you if you were working on the laptop with small screen atm, cause getting shit done will be impossible). So your 2 options will be to mute everything or continue getting spammed. And then the whole point that it is even worse on Linux. And it’s web version is crap, too. And that it is a bloted, laggy mess that is more in my way when I work than helps me.
Rant over, I guess?the rest of the times it shows only the message where searched word is present and not the point in discussion when this message happened.
Uh, I just click the message and it sends you to the conversation where you can check what was said.
So your 2 options will be to mute everything or continue getting spammed.
You can also mute only the chat that’s being spammy, but I agree with this one because I can’t mute it for X mins and such.
It’s curious how when the pandemic started people around me were super happy with Teams, comparing it to Google Meet and other meeting software, because it was one of the best services that simply worked, and over time they became more angry with it for all the bugs and weird decisions.
How bout the fact that everyone above you can see everything you do and all your “private messages”?
Can they? I don’t really care, I don’t use the corporate chat for personal things. I will act without regard to that, and if it comes to my knowledge that they did read them for the sake of controlling me, I’m going to fucking leave the company after talking to HR, that’s an issue with the boss not the tool.
I do find that useful in a corporate scenario, where if someone leaves the should be able to retrieve all the information shared on those chats, and if you suspect that someone is saying things they really shouldn’t to clients or colleagues, being able to check it is good.
I miss Teams. It was so bad, that anytime I forgot something, I was able to blame teams and no one questioned it. Since then I changed jobs, so can’t do it anymore.
For anyone on Linux: teams-for-linux is an unofficial client that works way better than the official client. It’s also in AUR
I use Teams very sparingly at work, but it occasionally decides it wants to auto-start when Windows turns on (ignoring my settings that disable it on startup).
Teams also occasionally decides that it wants to disconnect/break my Bluetooth headset connection. I don’t always need Teams to do my job, but my Bluetooth headset is always required for what I do. The only way to restore functionality when this happens is to close Teams. I haven’t figured out why it happens only some of the times, but it’s annoying as fuck. I don’t have that issue with any other programs doing that to my input devices.
If I had to guess, Teams is getting small updates when that happens to you. You have it turned off on startup, but if it gets an update and the end of that update is a restart of the program. And poorly designed updates tend to reset connections or settings. And Teams loves its updates. I wouldn’t turn off the auto updates though if I was you. Usually they are security updates.
Teams is garbage. This comes from someone who used it on windows, both on the app and web versions.
In teams, people above you get reports on all of the time you’ve spent in teams and can see all of your “private messages”! There’s a whole-ass dashboard for it!
Hmmm I hope that’s not also the case with private messages on teams some 5 years ago. Pretty sure there was some condescending chats about uni teachers over private messages.
Oh well, I’ve graduated anyway and never again used the messaging function after that.
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literally everything. I hate the work, I hate the pay, and I absolutely hate the people. I’m quiting in December to travel the world for a while, which will be great, as long as they don’t kill me first
Death to America
Pizza parties, “lunch and learns”, lunch at a restaurant with the boss…
All of that condescending shit that is intended and expected to deprive people of time away from the office, building, worksite, whatever if they need it.
I value my personal time and it’s not easily replaced by free food.
Some of the other comments in the thread are great too…
Overabundance of redundant or unnecessary meetings in general is another one for me.
The disgusting coffee machine
The guy who gives safety meetings says “um” between every phrase
I feel this one. We have a partner who says “you know” before and after almost everything he says. It’s so distracting that I can barely hear what he is trying to say. I now do my best to avoid interacting with him or his team in any way.
My co-workers.
People saying "10-4” on the radio when they mean “affirmative” or “yes”
What does 10-4 really mean then?
Messaged received / ok / got it
I think it’s technically supposed to be an acknowledgement that the message was received.
Well since 10-4 is a radio code meaning message received, I think they’re saying exactly what they mean.
Things like “Did you guys go for lunch?” and hearing back “10-4”. Obviously I know what they mean, it just annoys me.
Everything: from 8am to 5pm I’m a steaming ball of anger that struggles to act polite while planning small acts of office terrorism.
I've got a lot of small pet peeves
like:
- A general lack of awareness in workplace safety practices
- People listening and sending audio messages when they could type instead
- People doing personal conference calls without a headset
- When they say “can you please grab that thing on my desk?” and their desk is a post-earthquake library scenario
and many others…
but the thing that bugs me the most is the general absence of people that “just do their job”.
There are a lot of people that do fuck-all and a lot of people that work their lives off and both of those groups expect you to walk at their pace. I’d like to meet more people in the middle.Dirty pits. I work as a mechanic on busses and try to keep my pit clean. If the work I’m doing makes a lot of sand fall down, I sweep it aside so I don’t walk through it. If the bus has a leak, I put something beneath it to catch the oil/coolant/fuel until I get to fix it.
Most of the coworkers don’t care and their pit is a mess. They ask for help with something and you have to navigate through puddles and sand piles to get to them.
They also don’t put the shared equipment back on its right place so you waste a lot of time trying to find it.
I thought you meant armpits at first…
Off topic, but I love that you are here!
I always loved at the old place that there were people from totally random professions sharing their knowledge. At the beginning, it was not very…diverse here in that regard. I’m glad you are here!
Pet peeve: no “stay logged in” option for a system I use multiple times per day
Yeah my job has that too. That system has a “remember me” button, but it doesn’t work.
Someone clipping their nails
Slow computers and awful cheap Keyboards
By this point i spend 400 € for a quality keyboard and noise canceling headphones, money I earned in that very job so I don’t get nuts at that job.
I use it at home too.