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A draft law banning speech and dressing “detrimental to the spirit of Chinese people” has sparked debate in China.
If the law comes into force, people found guilty could be fined or jailed but the proposal does not yet spell out what constitutes a violation.
Social media users and legal experts have called for more clarity to avoid excessive enforcement.
China recently released a swathe of proposed changes to its public security laws - the first reforms in decades.
The clothing law has drawn immediate reaction from the public - with many online criticising it as excessive and absurd.
The contentious clauses suggest that people who wear or force others to wear clothing and symbols that “undermine the spirit or hurt the feelings of the Chinese nation” could be detained for up to 15 days and fined up to 5,000 yuan ($680; £550).
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China said no abaya!
What more do they want? They already got rid of the Winnie the Pooh costume at Shanghai Disneyland.
Knowing the control China demands I am not shocked.
ban assless chaps
All chaps are by definition assless.
department of redundancy, etc.
Lock this man up
Mandate assless chaps!
And this is how the Chinese ends up wearing a national uniform.
I find this kind of interesting after Naomi Wu (also known as SexyCyborg) recently had a run-in with the CCP and has largely gone silent online.
For anyone not familiar with her/her situation, she’s a tech/maker YouTuber. She has a pretty radical look with enormous fake boobs and skimpy outfits, but she does have some genuinely interesting content. She had been calling out some security vulnerabilities that recently got some attention so that’s likely why the Chinese government, in her words, clipped her wings, but she had a bit of a target painted on her back regardless because of her appearance, being a lesbian, and because her girlfriend is a Uyghur.
Holy fuck she sounds badass
Oh for real, she is. She’s pretty sexy too.
Jesus Christ, I know moving your life is not that simple, but she and her gf need to run from that hell hole.
She actually did partially address that, obviously without going into too many details, saying that she could leave but her girlfriend couldn’t, so they’re pretty much just going to keep their heads down and play by the rules.
Her GF literally can’t get out of the country
That guy on the rented jet ski managed it.
Wasn’t he escaping North Korea?
I don’t think so. I think it was China and he went across the Yellow Sea to South Korea.
Can people in N Korea even rent a jet ski? I can’t imagine that’s a thing.
Yeah, that’s a fair cop
She’s a pretty smart gal, but uses her looks to Garner views and get attention which I would imagine is very difficult for female tech enthusiasts in China, which is male dominated.
She also has non traditional sexual gender identities which doesn’t endear her to the Chinese authorities. But the real kicker is when she identified a security and privacy issue with an android keyboard.
bit of a target painted on her back regardless because of her appearance, being a lesbian, and because her girlfriend is a Uyghur.
“Bit of a target” indeed. She’s like a walking Bingo card of everything China suppresses.
Hope she’s okay.
The wild part to me is that overall I never got the impression from anything I saw from her that she was particularly anti-ccp, some of the annoyed grumbling I’d expect from literally anybody living under any government in the world, but that’s about it. Overall she seemed to be a pretty proud Chinese citizen, and probably a good spokesperson for the Chinese tech sector, from watching her videos I know that I’m slightly less quick to dismiss any Chinese gadgets as chinesium garbage. I’d think she’d be more useful to keep around for PR purposes, but after her previous incidents didn’t make significant waves with her western audience, it seems that they figured they’re free to bully her however they want to now.
Big Clive posted an update today saying they were in touch, she’s ok, and just lying low for the time being.
i kinda want to build a storefront that only sells things on the ban list.
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My comments were about the same. As much as I hate religion you have every right to express it. French students should be able to wear religious symbols and garments in schools, the CCP should not be going after this shit, men have a right to sag their pants. I can go on but I think my point is clear, freedom includes the freedom to be offensive or it means nothing.
Honestly, I feel the same about both: it’s absurd. With France I get the “freedom from religion” spiel from some Frenchman, but it’s veiled xenophobia to me. When you ban a kind of clothing but only for one group of people, that’s basically the definition. Here, it’s just fascism. At least the Chinese people are speaking out.
France doesn’t ban religious anything, only in public schools, that’s all. Outside education people are free to do what they want. What China is doing is wildly different, China just bans things in general for all sectors of life
Public school? You mean that place that children are mandated to be? Also you forgot government. It was a whole thing. So if you’re a Muslim and you want to be a part of the French government, then I hope you don’t have any attachment to those head scarves. There are other religions ornamentation, but the head scarves one was the last one I saw. And whether school or a DMV clerk, it’s dumb.
Also noticed I used two different labels for France rather than China. I think China is fascist with what they’re doing. France is xenophobic with what they’re doing.
France is the least Xenophobic country on Earth, what are you even saying?
The French didn’t ban for only one group of people, all religions are affected.
I’m French and if you believe that they got you good
I’ve been to France many times and religion isn’t banned at all, France is an incredibly diverse country, probably the most in all of Europe
nobody suggested they “ban religion”
Yes you are, that’s what you people are all implying and it’s completely false
can you explain who “you people” are? are they in the room with us right now?
can you also give the specific quote where “you people” said france bans all religion? you didnt just, y’know, imagine it did you?
We’re talking about the schools, specifically
It targeted one group of people though.
Either way banning clothes is stupid.
Other groups of people have been affected in the past. The Muslims are just the current latest group affected by it.
Either way banning clothes is stupid.
They have pretty sound logic for doing it
Other groups of people have been affected in the past. The Muslims are just the current latest group affected by it.
Any recent examples?
They have pretty sound logic for doing it
What’s the logic?
Yeah this is equality vs equity. If your religion has no religious outfits it doesn’t impact you if your religion does it does impact you. You can’t make a rule that only impacts one minority group and claim that it is fair because it hurts everyone the same way, since it clearly doesn’t.
when women are obligated to cover up, people just accept those governments telling them what to do; have you seen any protests lately about governments in the middle east and asia telling women to cover up?
You serious? The hijab protests in Iran have been huge news for a while, not sure how you missed it:
The protests in Iran over the Hijab got overwhelming support on Reddit last year.
Authoritarian Middle East is bad. Authoritarian China is bad.
Yeah? How about closing those sweatshops that pollute Chinese rivers, drinking water, that destroys soil so that plants can never grow again, where Chinese works inhale colorant and chemicals… how about that shit, CCP?
But then how is the CCP supposed to get money for more PR campaigns that magically don’t ever show those parts of China?
That hurts the land and the people and not the CCP’s feelings, so the CCP doesn’t care.
Is china hoping to become more like north korea?
Zhao Hong, a law professor at the Chinese University of Political Science and Law said the lack of clarity could lead to an infringement of personal.
Adorable that anyone is suggesting this is a bug, not a feature.
It’s understandable, the way people dress is very important to creating a good environment. As a business owner I strictly enforce a dress code for my employees whether their job is forward facing or not. No clothes with political (BLM/pride) messages, no shorts, women must wear heels and makeup, etc. I asked my employees to also follow the dress code while working from home during the pandemic but I had a gut feeling that many of them were not doing so which is part of why I insisted they come back to the office as soon as COVID disappeared.
I really hope you understand the downvotes. It could change your life.
This seems like a parody account. Look at the username.
Gonna be a bunch of nude people, everything upsets these pooh-soft dopes
For those wondering, “Hurting the feelings of the Chinese people” is an actual phrase (伤害中国人民的感情) it started all the way back in the late 50s.
this last part “感情 ganqing” translated as “feelings” or “emotional attachment”, it’s actually an important part of chinese culture, esp business culture (similar to this is “guanxi” which is someone’s network). These are major parts of chinese culture and relationships with others. this phrase is more like “you’re hurting our relationship”
This seems similar to Republicans’ current crusade to ban books they believe will hurt the “fabric of the country.”
If your nation is that weak it isn’t worth saving, it should just die and be replaced by something better. Which is just about anything.
It feels shady the way the media uses this overly literal translation of ‘hurt the feelings’ all the time in order to make the Chinese sound ridiculous. Could make any foreign language speaker sound ridiculous by cherry picking funny but common phrases and translating them literally.
? It’s the best way to translate it, some Chinese words don’t have good English translations and vice versa
There’s a better translation right here in this thread. “Hurting our relationship” is not so literal and so doesn’t sound daft in English.
no, that’s not the same thing. “our relationship” does not convey the same emotion that is intended in the chinese word.
but the proposal does not yet spell out what constitutes a violation.
and this is not a coincidence. Authoritarian states love vaguely operationalized definitions like this because it’s basically a blanko check to arrest anyone at any time. And it puts the populace into a fearful, fatalist mindset of “I could be arrested at any time for bogus charges, even if I did nothing wrong.”
