It wasn’t a hostile discussion or anything, i didn’t even go full “the kulaks deserved it” (although the mod that single-handedly banned me did go full “the kulaks did not deserve it”). I just laid out plainly and calmly that revolutions are inherently authoritarian, that Luxemburg said “the revolution will be as violent as the ruling class makes it necessary” and that there’s one Trotzki quote i 100% agree with: “If the October Revolution hadn’t succeeded, the world would have known a Russian word for fascism 10 years before Mussolini’s March on Rome”. Basically the whole “Jakarta Method” train of thought laid out clearly and without calling anybody names.
Note that this was on an explicitly left-leaning server that does not allow cops and troops to join. Also after several days of another poster starting destructive, aggressive bad faith arguments in the politics channel until a number of users went “disengage” on her and the channel had to be frozen until recently, when she immediately started being hostile and arguing in bad faith again, which got her not one, but two warnings from the same mod without further consequences. Meanwhile, when i defend AES without attacking anybody, that’s apparently too much for her to handle. No advance warning, no “sis, you’re talking to me as a mod here”, not even a notification that i got banned.
The best part is that according to screenshots a friend just sent me, she’s now completely going off about “authoritarians”. The nerve some people have.
Sorry for posting pointless internet drama here, i just needed to vent.
I have trouble letting shit go when I see it online but more and more I’ve gotten used to simply picking my battles when I see shit that Id isagree with that I know I’ll get written off as a tankie if I speak up about. I’m active in a few servers and none are really satisfying to me. The one with a mostly ML admin team has… other problems and the rest are either just like the server you describe (“left leaning” but filled with “anti-authoritarian” brain worms) or worse are outright liberal. I just avoid politics altogether, or only discuss the stuff we agree on. I value the social engagement too much I guess.
yeah that’s probably for the better. idk, i knew this mod has Dune-sized brainworms, she’s called me out for “internalized transphobia” in the past for quoting Leslie Feinberg. She’s a total bellend, an absolute dingdong, a neverending wellspring of bad takes. This wasn’t our first discussion about communism vs her liberal carricature of anarchism, and she seriously told me last time that tankies want to put her up against the wall. That person just can’t be trusted, yet she’s the most active mod on one of Germany’s biggest trans servers, and by far the biggest one that does not tolerate chasers, transmeds and similar scum. It fucking hurts to have the door to that slammed in your face like this.
Yeah its a shitty situation. I know a few trans people who are radlibs like you describe. I maintain friendships with a few by just… not talking about geopolitics lol, and a couple others have cut me off. Never been banned off of anything though for it thats pretty shitty.
she’s called me out for “internalized transphobia” in the past for quoting Leslie Feinberg
No, seriously. Because Feinberg has this terminology where she uses Man / Woman for gender identity, masculine / feminine for gende role and performance and male / female for biological sex characteristics. And talking about biological sex even as a reified, constructed cluster of properties that have zero bearing on your gender identity is apparently transphobic because terfs talk about biological sex too much.
That there’s a difference betwen properly understood biology and the naive biologisms and the bioessential determinism of terfs is completely lost on this person. Like, she doesn’t get that. I’ve tried to explain it and she called me out for ableism and classism in response to that. Fuck i hate her so much.
Huh. I did not have “intersex erasure, but woke” as a square on Discord bingo. Shit’s wild.
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i only had one similar instance where i helped a girl at our lgbt org get hrt and paid for her to get an uber to her appointment. she gave me a big hug and said i changed her life and that i was awesome. once she learned i was a communist she got very angry and vowed to never come to the lgbt center again. very bizarre.
the book was unfinished when trotsky got
so the editor had to piece together fragments from scattered scraps of notes.Trappo Slap Mouse continuing to commit a violence, this time via the host’s peepaw giving Trotsky the gears.
The person complaining about authoritarians is a petty discord tyrant
no surprise she’s also pro-kulak
The red scare fuckin’ blows
social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism
Sorry comrade.
and 
has overtaken most of the internet.My favorite online trans community is
Anarcho-bidenism strikes again
God that fuckin blows. I hang out occasionally on a trans discord I found through a friend that’s mostly advertised on tumblr. It’s explicitly ml though, which keeps away this kind of shit. I can link you in dm’s if you want. The server is explicitly for transfem communists.
I’m interested in it as well !
I’m sorry that happened to you.
There always seems to be a political bias against communists, especially in this new phase of the red scare, and mods will find any pretext to ban communists because they’ve been so heavily indoctrinated against communism.
Once things have cooled off, I would consider messaging that mod and pointing out that you didn’t attack anyone, you just defended your political position, and you were banned without warning although the person who was slinging personal insults got multiple warnings and was treated with kid gloves. I personally wouldn’t want to be invited back but I would put a little bit of a barb in the end of my message by saying that the mods actions not only were an expression of authoritarianism by silencing dissenting voices on the left but that their actions are a tacit approval of the tyranny of a political orthodoxy that permits slinging personal insults so long as the person has the “correct” political beliefs. Then I’d say that they are a parody of anti-authoritarianism and they’ll probably justify their actions and inaction to themselves because the spooky tankie is pointing out uncomfortable truths which is further evidence of how they cannot be permitted into these spaces (because otherwise you’d be forced to confront your own cognitive dissonance - the horror!)
Note that doing so will not earn you any friends. But sometimes people like this need to be called to account and, perhaps over time, cracks will start to form in their anti-communist indoctrination.
Yeah, i’ll try to fix this as best as i can. It’s not easy, i can’t message her if she doesn’t add me as a friend because we do not share a server anymore. So she can just ignore me without listening what i have to say. But a friend of mine will try to get a word in with the mods, she’s been unhappy with that one mod’s moderation style for some time now, and maybe that’ll help. IDK.
I’ll be honest here, i would actually want to get back into that place, i really like a lot of the people there and don’t want to be cut off from them. I’ve only exchanged DMs with a handful of them because i’ve just been there for a few months and don’t go DMing people out of my own, but that handful now includes people i’m meeting irl. I’m actually having vegan sushi with a girl i met there tomorrow. I just click with a lot of the transfems there and idk if there’s another server with users from my country where that’s the case. I’m looking around rn, but it’s not looking good, the other big servers tend to have transmed and / or chaser problems and that’s an instant hard nope for me. It’s not made easier that i just don’t feel very comfortable around dudes and am not interested in servers that aren’t overwhelmingly transfem.
Ah, fair enough.
In that case I’d avoid slinging shit at the mod and just keep it to the fact that you were stating your own political beliefs, you weren’t using personal insults against anyone, and despite that fact you were given no warnings you were immediately banned. I’d also mention that the other user was given multiple warnings for actually breaking the rules and yet they weren’t banned.
If you can get a message across to the head mod, try to explain that you feel as though the mod that banned you allowed their own personal bias to influence their actions in a way that was unjustly harsh against you, unjustly tolerant of the other user, and how this ultimately crrates a hostile community that could rapidly become toxic if allowed to continue.
I think in future, especially in broad left spaces, I’d recommend hiding your power level and avoiding getting too involved in ideological debates. There’s a time and a place for that stuff and when you are marginalised it can be hard to come across safer spaces for finding community and, unfortunately, it often means that you have to bite your tongue and then vent later on in a place like Hexbear or you can take out your ideological frustrations on some unwitting “anti-tankie” on some other platform.
I know it fucking sucks to find a place that accepts you and is safer only to find out that it’s openly hostile to your politics (despite being for leftists 🙄) but often it’s a choice of whether you want to be right or if you want to be accepted. (I’m not trans myself but I’m queer and very much neurodivergent so there aren’t that many spaces which are welcoming and supportive for me that are actually safe enough. I often find myself needing to compartmentalise my capital-P politics in these spaces.)
Congrats on finding someone to meet up with! I hope you enjoy the sushi.
Good luck with it.
I think in future, especially in broad left spaces, I’d recommend hiding your power level and avoiding getting too involved in ideological debates.
Yeah, i normally do that, but it’s a server where it’s fine to post guillotine memes about billionaires and one girl was talking about how she wanted to join a trot org yesterday. There’s daily active posters with hamsic profile pics. I was under the assumption that voicing my opinion in a non-sectarian way would be completely alright, my posts also got a few thumbs ups and
under them as well. That place isn’t hexbear, but it was the last place outside of here or lemmygrad where i would’ve expected to get into trouble for letting the mask slip. Like i said, the ban came completely unexpected, it’s purest sectarianism or maybe personal animosity against me or both, idk.😔
Congrats on finding someone to meet up with! I hope you enjoy the sushi.
Oh, and thanks for that, too. The pics on the menu look delicious and the girl i’m going with is just the sweetest person all around, i’m sure it’ll be great.
It sounds like it is possible that the other mods would significantly disagree with your ban
That’s possible, but i have no idea how to reach out to them.
A few months ago I was excluded from an anarchist server for defending the USSR.
Sucks for the libs that those turned out to be… since then I’m now on a regional anarchist server, an intentional community server, and a permaculture server where my presence is appreciated.
I hope you find something good
why are you booing me, I’m right
I’ve had this too 🫂 it’s so shit, it makes you wonder where the
come from.That really sucks.
Whenever I bring up commie shit in real life, people are generally just really surprised because they haven’t ever heard those ideas or perspectives before. Sure they argue sometimes, but they can’t just kick you out of a place.
Online though? You get the boot real fast. None of these people would have the guts to treat you that way in real life.
Online though? You get the boot real fast. None of these people would have the guts to treat you that way in real life.
Sounds like this is a result of the rapidly increasing prevalence of liberal solipsism originating from the massively overblown obsession with the few 2016 election ads Russia bought. Now liberals have an easy get out of being flanked from the left card by always accusing anti-western communists of being either literal chat bots or paid shills. That’s much harder for a lib to do offline while the conversation is literally face to face.
Although, I do remember a few years ago a comrade on this site made a vent post about how they were literally called a bot in an offline argument with a coworker. That one absolutely boggles the mind.
Although, I do remember a few years ago a comrade on this site made a vent post about how they were literally called a bot in an offline argument with a coworker. That one absolutely boggles the mind.
When a lib calls someone a bot, they aren’t trying to make a factual statement about the world. It’s a social signal: “I don’t have to listen to or engage with the content of what you say because you’re on the Bad Team.”
I thought the obsession over the advertisements were deflection from the Wikileaks e-mail dumps (DNC & Podesta leaks) about the Clinton campaign and the confirmation of the open secrets within those e-mails. (e.g: incestuous relationship between the campaign and the media, the Clinton campaign preemptively taking control of the DNC, and the Pied Piper strategy to set up radicals like Trump to enable Clinton to have an easier time getting elected.)
Those leaks created a crisis of legitimacy, which has only been resolved artificially through self-delusion, and has only served to institutionalize learned helplessness and alienation from power.
We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas.
I would hope that liberals don’t literally believe that we are all AI chatbots that are replying to each other over and over, I think it’s just used in the same way that chuds use “NPC”. like, the only way you could get to our views is if you have zero critical thought about the world, know very little, are hyper suggestible to the first narrative you see, etc, which is very funny coming from (typically American) liberals whose entire concept of the world is generated by scrolling through reddit and half-remembered thoughts from high school
Yeah definitely, most of the time it’s not literal, but since LLMs have entered mainstream discourse, I’ve been seeing leftists accused of being actual, literal bots more and more often. Of course, this is usually on reddit where you could mistake ChatGPT as the second coming of Christ from how they talk about it over there.
I feel like the kind of shit marginalized people go through in the imperial core tends to be inherently radicalizing in an anti-capitalist direction without necessarily being radicalizing in a pro-communist and anti-west direction.
That makes a lot of sense considering even the most marginalized people in the imperial core have the privilege of not having to worry about bombs being dropped on their homes, CIA backed coups deposing their democratically elected leaders, nor the general all encompassing horror of imperial resource extraction. The result is that western marginalized and privileged citizens alike will both readily accept the never ending deluge of atrocity propaganda against AES emanating out of essentially all western media outlets.
If you believed in literally everything the CIA said about AES, how would you feel about countries like the USSR or PRC? At that point, the red fascist rhetoric actually makes sense. How many fascists should you allow to sit at your table? 0. It’s insidious, and it has broken the brains of too many otherwise decent people. For that reason I try not to judge people like your discord moderator (other than for unironically being a discord moderator) too harshly for things like this.
I don’t think people within the imperial core in general will soften up on AES until real communist organizations can build up local mutual aid networks to support the most precarious of us in their communities. Ideally they’d provide necessary social services running parallel to the rotting remains of the social safety nets once maintained by western governments until the fall of the USSR. That would lend to us the necessary position of public trust to displace the misinformation put out by corporate media by providing relevant education on communism, specifically AES, where the public education system has purposefully failed. Deliberate agitation on this front is very necessary in that there is no horrible experience one can endure in the imperial core that would result in intuitively figuring out we need to organize society in a similar way to AES countries.
I am pretty aware that I would be dead three times over in third world country by now, the point is though that the west tries to pass that off as its achievement, and not it causing the conditions that make ND trans people die in the third world. Maybe I’d be fine in Cuba, idk, I just hate queers who defend capitalism a bit more bc they are happy servants of an evil that kills their siblings and keeps them down extra hard
If you believed in literally everything the CIA said about AES, how would you feel about countries like the USSR or PRC? At that point, the red fascist rhetoric actually makes sense. How many fascists should you allow to sit at your table? 0. It’s insidious, and it has broken the brains of too many otherwise decent people. For that reason I try not to judge people like your discord moderator (other than for unironically being a discord moderator) too harshly for things like this.
I’m glad someone mentions this. We’re constantly being bombarded by propaganda and there’s very little pushback, I can’t really blame people for believing that the USSR was a cruel, genocidal regime and I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they are acting in “good faith” when they do shit like this. If I believed that Stalin deliberately engineered the Holodomor etc., I would ban people from my discord too if they said the USSR was cool.
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For how many people do you think the system actually “works?” Do you think the system works for the mods of this trans discord server?
People believe the propaganda because it’s being repeated much more often and much more loudly than the alternative, they believe it because the people around them believe it and because they were exposed to it from a young age when they hadn’t yet developed critical thinking skills.
These people don’t trust the system, otherwise they wouldn’t have rules against cops. They know the system doesn’t work for them. But you have to consider just how all-encompassing “the system” really is, how much it affects everything around us and how much of what we believe is influenced by having lived our entire lives under capitalism. Realizing the underlying ideological influence of your own beliefs is a long journey, it’s not an on/off switch.
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