What an utter piece of shit.
I don’t know why he gave them internet in first place. UA infrastructures are not impacted, you can even watch TV or IPTV.
Can we recall that only the north east border of Ukraine is under attack, can’t we ?
I’ll take the bait:
- wireless communications can be and are disrupted in several different ways in a warzone. Targeting cell towers, active jamming, interception of messages are all huge concerns and all are solved with Starlink
- wired communications are useless on frontlines for (I hope) obvious reasons
- Quite a lot of the fighting happens in relatively sparsely populated countryside
- And even if we assume cell range is everywhere on land… there’s none at sea.
- All of it and more is solved by Starlink. While Russians learned how to interfere with it eventually, for some time it was near-invincible comms and still brings huge value.
Buuut… In the end Musk gave UA such a wide access to Starlink because the US and UA authorities paid for it a fat coin and most likely followed the payment with an offer he could not refuse. Until China or Russia eventually launch their own internet constellations, the US has a massive edge over literally anyone else and can grant this edge to anyone without it being controversial. Unlike sending military gear which took a while to become reality and was a delicate diplomatic matter, sending a truckload of receivers with access keys taped on them is basic shopping for UA and just a blip in export statistic for the US
the US and UA authorities paid for it a fat coin
They didn’t, at least not officially until way into the war.
“Papa puta is happy with muskreek. Papa puta promised not to press death button, muskreek is hero! Why people angry with muskreek papa puta?” - The best model science can build of musk’s current thought process
I know it’s an anathema to most in the US but the government needs to step up and take Starlink and Space X off Musk for a fair price. He’s way too unstable to be trusted with tech that important.
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Prison, certainly. This is a treasonous act.
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What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. We’re still playing catchup in the steal and murder numbers compared to billionaires.
It’s his company that he built from the ground up, and the government doesn’t know what to do with stuff like satellites, that is best left to the free market
This is how I feel about Starship. Amazing progress is being made and he’s going to fuck it all up before it ever has a real mission. It’s sad. World’s first fully reusable launch vehicle capable of building real shit in space like colonies and infrastructure and it had to be him that did it.
Did he really do it? I’m pretty sure that was the engineers, which Musk is not.
But he says big words about rockets on Twitter. That means he’s an engineer, right?
As much as I hate Musk, I doubt something that ambitious would be tried without him or someone like him. Same with starting a fully EV car company when everyone thought we were just but ready for it. Yes the engineers are the ones who do the work, but it takes someone willing to risk a lot of money, and the ability to bring in more money, to make that stuff happen.
He didnt start a fully EV car company, HE BOUGHT ONE.
Quit holding people on high regard based on their cult of personality.
He made the Tesla we know today, the Tesla we know today would not have existed without Musk, it likely would have died a small silicon valley startup that nobody had ever heard of.
Just because I hate him doesn’t mean I won’t give him credit for doing what he did.
Elon didn’t start shit. He bought Tesla.
He bought a small dying company and turned it into the most valuable one they ever existed. He made the Tesla we know today.
What I meant was it had to be him that became the figurehead. I want someone with the drive and passion for space exploration, not someone with the passion for profit. A humble engineer or scientist who exists only to expand their knowledge and with plenty of fascination about the universe, not this dollar store Tony Stark wannabe narcissistic blowhard.
I guess I’m shouting at clouds though, because that’s how the system is set up. People don’t start companies because they want to do something awesome. They start them to make money.
Those people are too busy working to become figureheads
I’m pretty sure someone at Tesla or SpaceX put the Twitter idea in his head so he would fuck off and meddle with something else and let them do their actual work instead of dealing with his stupidity, micromanaging and narcissism.
Folks at the Boring Co are just keeping their heads down hoping he forgets they exist
He borrowed a billion from it to buy Twatter. What happens the next time he needs money?
“How am I in this war?” Musk asked Isaacson. “Starlink was not meant to be involved in wars. It was so people can watch Netflix and chill and get online for school and do good peaceful things, not drone strikes.”
That’s a pretty glib way of looking at it.
The older I get the more socialist I am. Yeah, take it away from his dumb ass, but don’t keep it ffs. Make it employee owned. Make every business employee owned.
Make it a Co-op with government oversight and maybe security. Its too stategically important to be allowed market level independence.
I would love a SpaceX without Elon.
But the thing that made SpaceX what it is now is largely that it is not a government entity.
A fair price would be musk in jail for his crimes.
I was gonna say $3.50, but jail works too.
Elon would want $4.20 cos he’s a fucking dolt
How about .420?
Loch Ness Monster 2024
Elon can’t be trusted with it, but NASA would just stall all progress on it for the next fifty years
All the downvoters should take a good close look at the cockup that is the SLS program
NASA just contracts everything out. I think NASA would be much different if they had something like SpaceX (and was funded properly).
NASA just contracts everything out. I think NASA would be much different if they had something like SpaceX (and was funded properly).
NASA gets so much funding for the SLS, which is so expensive, that NASA itself is saying it’s throwing money away. It’s US Congress routing tax payer funding to disastrously inefficient contractors, not to have an actually functional space program.
So there is an Elon piss-tape kompromat?
Working theory is the P in P-tape is from pedophile, as in pootin has serious kompromat lorded over drumft. Among other financial leverage.
Same could easily be true for Elon. Where did the billions in Twitter purchasing money come from? Etc.
This makes Musk a foreign agent by definition, unwitting, semi-witting or otherwise this is textbook foreign agent behavior.
“How am I in this war?” Musk asked Isaacson. “Starlink was not meant to be involved in wars. It was so people can watch Netflix and chill and get online for school and do good peaceful things, not drone strikes.”
Musk is a war criminal. This is a crime against humanity.
Muskovite belongs in prison with the other russian war criminals.
I mean if a person does anything directly affecting a war (for any side) I’d say that person is a wartime volunteer.
Wartime volunteers that have taken up arms are a absolutely viable target for military strikes.
Just saying 🤷♂️
So the US government is a viable target?
For a lot of reasons, yes
Anyone considering striking US likely realizes the fallout from that strategy though
During the cold war, there were plenty of instances of fighting between us and soviet forces, not to mention the huge amount of proxy fighting done. Personally, I’m not interested in drawing up a sequel to the cold war.
I hate to say it, but we are likely already in the sequel.
As I see it, we’re at a turning point. Either we continue a path of escalation, or we back down, either would be feasible given our current position, but that said current position isn’t somewhere we can stay. We either need to accept that sacrificing some global influence is necessary to avoid foreign wars, or that maintaining our current global influence inevitably requires putting soldiers behind our words.
I think Neville Chamberlain had the right idea.
I know a lot of Jews who’d take issue with that.
This is a weird take… The war in Ukraine is largely being fought because Russia isn’t going to stop with Ukraine. We’re protecting our allies in Europe, and looking to prevent further escalation, not simply exerting influence on a far-away foreign war.
The escalating party is 100% the aggressing party that’s invading a sovereign nation. That’s Russia, not the United States.
I mean, unless you’re speaking as a Russian citizen? Perhaps I’m misunderstanding your point of view here.
This is the exact attitude I was trying to call out. We are absolutely escalating our participation in this conflict. Trying to strattle the line of participation, where nothing we do is our own fault, and neither are any of the consequences we face. Because I’m not sure how well you did in middle school geography, but the US is, in fact, not a part of Europe. This war has no direct impact on the US beyond the extent we choose to be involved.
Now if you view the benefits of involvement as greater than the risks, fine. That’s a perfectly coherent position. One I don’t agree with, but a rational position nonetheless. But to pretend our involvement is just a force of nature we have no control over? That’s just a bunch of excuses to support involvement without having to openly commit to a position of involvement.
Are you seriously saying we should just stand back and let Russia take Ukraine?
I don’t fucking care what happens in Ukraine
Why though? There’s been plenty of hot and cold wars, plenty of proxy wars.
This isn’t special in that regard, except now using the propaganda talking points of view a fascist enemy is done without a hint of shame from the stooges who do it.
Emphasis on “Fallout”.
The US knows we could wipe humanity off the map if we launched all the nukes. So instead we use mostly conventional warfare.
Also the US could probably out fight anyone else on a conventional level. Far more humiliating too.
That’s a big maybe. It depends heavily on the type of warfare. We weren’t very successful in Vietnam, Iraq Part II, and Afghanistan. Gulf War was a pretty convincing trouncing, WWII was pretty solid too.
Iraq and Afghanistan had their militaries levelled in a matter of days. It’s the occupation that created problems
🎵 I don’t want to set the world on fire… 🎵
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Oh yeah, I don’t mean to say otherwise. It was more a rhetorical question to point out the nature of how these things always end up escalating.
Starlink is not providing an essential service to Ukraine. They do not have the right to expect SpaceX to cooperate with their military effort when SpaceX is a US company under dual-use rules to not unilaterally provide military connectivity to weapons systems to foreign nations.
Ukraine must do military procurement properly and go through the US government to get approval, not whatever this is. They used a civilian service for military purposes, so they are in breach of the terms of use of Starlink and should not be surprised when services degrades at SpaceX’s whims.
The law priorities the health of people, but Starlink isn’t meant for use like this, so this analogy is moot.
Are you sure you meant to respond to me?
Always has been
Yes, but go ahead and see what happens
Elon Musk should be ‘secretly’ stuffed into a tiny cell on a black site and have his wealth redistributed. All secretly and in the name of helping the world, of course.
No crazy person should be allowed to have this much power. Starlink should be nationalized, and instead of a payout Elon can go to jail for all that market manipulation he’s constantly getting away with.
Nationalised? More like INTERnationalised! Those things aren’t just clogging up the skies over the US, they’re blocking the whole freaking planet.
Lol jesus fuckin christ you lot are ignorant as fuck. You know how big space is? Let me know if you hit a washing machine in the middle of the desert…cause that’s space except on a 3d plane.
But the sand isn’t traveling around the desert at hundreds of kpms with the possibility to destroy you if you get hit by it.
That’s not how that works at all, orbits aren’t random, these sats aren’t flying all around the place. They’ve got one orbital plane until they’re decommed to burn up. You’re not hitting them unless you tried
I don’t think starlink should be nationalized, but i do think the US government should create their own satellite internet system. Creating a satellite network like starlink is relatively easy if you already have the capability to frequently launch satellites into low earth orbit. The physical satellites themselves are relatively simple devices, and the software to make it all operate would take some work but also is relatively easy.
(Note that when I say “relatively easy” I’m talking about relative to other large hightech undertakings, like for example the James Webb telescope)
Any system capable of manipulating the outcomes of international conflict needs to become property of the government via eminent domain…especially if that system is used…especially if used by an entrepreneur operating without oversight.
Can we start treating billionaires as rogue nations unto themselves? Because that’s frankly how they act.
I think technically they’re more “terrorists” than “rogue nations”
I mean 9/11 was performed by some rich family member.
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Their families were all buddies though.
Makes sense why they invaded some other country then
Well now that you say it like that I guess it could be both.
Why not both? Bin Laden had a $7million a year stipend until just a few years earlier.
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Easiest solution in the world is to treat them to the guillotine
Frankly I am mad that people are only seeing this now.
Between billionaires and trillion dollar companies, many of them are richer than most nations.
Throw that fuck in prison and nationalize all his shit.
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