Can we get a consensus on whether our community should de-federate with servers that host loli? I personally think we should block them, and if that ends up not being the consensus here then I’ll probably sign up on another server. I hope we can all agree to set that boundary though because I like it here and it seems otherwise pretty cool.

  • @[email protected]
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    This post has the same energy as parents asking legislative bodies to not allow nudity or violence in media for the entire country. What you gain in ease of use, you lose in censorship by not getting the choice to decide.

    I don’t particularly care for the loli stuff but asking the admins to make that decision deprives me of choice. This instance already defederated lemmy.grad because they’re tankies and while that happens to align with my personal beliefs, it is a slippery slope.

    • @[email protected]
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      -12 years ago

      Loli stuff is illegal though, at least in the United States. Viewing even accidentally can be considered a crime. The OP has a valid point.

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        As far as I know it isn’t illegal in the US since the Ashcroft case in 2003, but exists in a gray area subject to the standard Miller test for obscenity that all pornography is subject to. I seriously doubt incidental viewing of it would be a crime. But I 100% could be wrong as I am not a lawyer.

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    Absolutely block instances hosting illegal content - the way federation works means copies / caches of content can end up on this server? Or even if that’s not how lemmy does it, it risks using this server to facilitate the spread of something incredibly harmful & damaging.

    As far as I’m concerned there’s no argument for allowing / normalising content produced which quite literally ruins peoples lives.

    Edit: Even stuff that’s purely cartoonish in nature for me is just grim, and I don’t want to be a part of a community which supports it.

    Edit2: If a server can block a specific community posting CSAM then maybe that’s a better solution than blocking the underlying infrastructure. If that’s not possible, I think defederation is the only real way to deal it, as frustrating as that would be for legitimate users.

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    02 years ago

    Im afraid to ask, but what is loli? Definitely don’t feel like looking it up if people are that put off by it.

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      -12 years ago

      Child porn but with drawing

      Depending where you live, it can be “still be legal” because no kid were raped, or illegal. So I am 100% sure blocking the whole instance hosting child-porn. I don’t want to get in trouble with the law for watching the front-page. More important, I don’t want hear that lemmy is used by pedophile to exchange child-porn

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      -12 years ago

      Hentai of underage persons. A lot of the time they’ll try to pretend it’s not by dressing it in a fantasy or scifi setting but that’s what it essentially is. I personally see it as cp

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    -12 years ago

    To everyone saying just block the communities:

    1. I don’t want to have to block communities. In order to know I need to block a community, I have to see content which I feel is worth blocking. That’s fine for most cases but in this case that is not fine (to me personally).

    2. I don’t necessarily want to associate or interact with people who are fine having a server with loli as their home server. Not to be mean about it but that’s just how I feel flat out.

    I think this is an instance where de-federation is the correct course of action.

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    I’d like that shit gone too. I understand not wanting to close ourselves off too much but I think things like avoiding groups that are ok with shit like loli is a no brainer.

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      -12 years ago

      Agreed, its a big precedent to set blocking off a whole server but its ok in this extreme of a case.

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    32 years ago

    Please do not. Although I don’t personally want to see lolicon stuff, many of the servers willing to host it have communities I want to interact with. For instance, burggit.moe is where the touhou communities went and is otherwise a pretty nice instance aside from loli communities.

    It is content which, while understandably offensive to some, harms nobody. All fictional porn, no matter how deviant it is, is ultimately more ethical than real porn can be.

    It should be up to users to block or hide instances with content they don’t wish to see, and defederation should be reserved for communities that consistently cause interference, not for communities that simply have content which one disagrees with.

    • eta_aquarid
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      why are all of the touhou communites on there

      like, that’s weird; there’s tons of lemmy instances that they could have been on, and kbin has a (very inactive) community as well

      onto the point:

      All fictional porn, no matter how deviant it is, is ultimately more ethical than real porn can be.

      This may be true, but you can’t blame many users for being really turned off by it; like I think it’d be perfectly acceptable if most people don’t want to interact with an instance hosting that.

      If you don’t like that, then you might have to move to another instance tbh

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      -22 years ago

      As I’ve pointed out in a few spots on this post: regardless of your moral stance, loli is considered the same as child porn by many government agencies. You may not be “harming” anyone, but you’re harming the people that host and view that content in a criminal sense.

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    For the sake of argument I’ll approach this from a different perspective than everyone else.

    Depending on jurisdiction there might be implications in hosting an instance that is federated with instances that host loli. I’m not familiar enough with Canada’s laws and / or le Code Civil du Québec to know if it is considered CSAM, but assuming it is does federating with those communities replicate the media on this instance as well? Would this count as ‘redistributing it’?

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      Canada laws on CSAM are very strict. even written fictional text are considered csam by law definition. And yes, a known horror novel writer has been charged for csam production in a fiction book. he’s been acquitted tho, fortunately. But that raise an alarm that tell us that cops can arrest you for pretty much anything . If you sculpt a loli into ficello string cheese , that enter the definition of CP in Canada.

      there is a part of definition saying: "and other visual representation " which is very vague and broad .

      https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-163.1.html

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        12 years ago

        If you sculpt a loli into ficello string cheese , that enter the definition of CP in Canada.

        First they came for the string cheese, and I did not speak up for I was lactose intolerant

    • neo (he/him)
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      Drawings of fictional, usually underaged, characters; typically but not always from anime/manga.

      • @[email protected]
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        02 years ago

        That’s not true. It’s a petite anime girl, not underage. People keep trying to conflate the two. It’s weird because even if they have big boobs and are obviously legal people still try to shove them into the title of being underage. (like the petite sensei, Uzaki, and Hestia from Is it Wrong to Pick up Girls in a Dungeon).