Yesterday, you probably saw this informal post by one of our head admins (Chris Remington). This post lamented some of the difficulties we’re running into with the site at this point, and what the future might hold for us. This is a more formal post about those difficulties and the way we currently see things.
Up front: we aren’t confident in the continued use of Lemmy. We are working through how best to make the website live up to the vision of our documents—and simply put, the vast majority of the limitations we’re running into are Lemmy’s at this point. An increasing amount of our time is spent trying to work around or against the software to achieve what we want rather than productively building this community. That leaves us with serious questions about our long-term ability to stay on this platform, especially with the lingering prospect of not having the people needed to navigate backend stuff.
Long-time users will no doubt be aware of our advocacy for moderator tools that we think the platform needs (and particularly that we need). Our belief in the importance and necessity of those tools has only hardened with time. Progress of those tools, however—and even organizing work on them—has been pretty much nonexistent outside of our efforts from what we can see.[1] In the three months since we started seriously pushing the ideas we’d like to see, we’re not aware of any of them being seriously considered—much less taken up or on the way to being incorporated into Lemmy.
In fact: even within the framework of Lemmy’s almost nonexistent roadmap and entirely nonexistent timetable on which to expect features it has been made clear to us that improving federation or moderation on the platform are not big priorities.[2] We have implicitly been told that if this part of the software is to improve we will need to organize that from scratch. And we have tried that to be clear. Our proposal is (and has been) paying people bounties for their labor toward implementing these features, in line with paying all labor done on our behalf—but we’ve received mixed messages from the top on whether this would be acceptable. (Unclear guidance and general lack of communication is symptomatic of a lot of our relation with the Lemmy devs in the past few months.)
Things aren’t much better on the non-moderator side of things. The problems with databases are almost too numerous to talk about and even Lemmy’s most ardent supporters recognize this as the biggest issue with the software currently. A complete rewrite is likely the only solution. Technical issues with the codebase are also extensive; we’ve made numerous changes on our side because of that. Many of the things we’re running into have been reported up the chain of command but continue to languish entirely unacknowledged. In some cases bugs, feature requests, and other requests to Lemmy devs have explicitly been blown off—and this is behavior that others have also run into with respect to the project. Only very recently have we seen any overtures at regular communication—and this communication has not hinted at any change in priorities.
All of what was just described has been difficult to get a handle on—and having fewer users, less activity, and more moderators has not done a whole lot to ease that. We honestly find that the more we dig and the more we work to straighten out issues that pop up, the more pop out and the more it feels like Lemmy is structurally unsound for our purposes. (One such example of what we’re working with is provided in the next section.)
In summary: we believe we can either continue to fight the software in basically every way possible, or we can prioritize building the community our documents preach. It is our shared belief that we cannot, in the long-term, do both; in any case, we’re not interested in constantly having to fight for basic priorities—ones we consider extremely beneficial to the health of the overall Lemmy network—or having to unilaterally organize and recruit for their addition to the software. We are hobbyists trying to make a cool space first and foremost, and it’s already a job enough to run the site. We cannot also be surrogates for fixing the software we use.
PenguinCoder: A brief sketch of the technical perspective
I’ve said a few words about this topic already, here and here. Other Beehaw admins have also brought some concerns to the Lemmy devs. Those issues still exist. To be clear: this is a volunteer operation and Lemmy is their software; they have a right to pick and choose what goes into it and what to put a priority on. But we have an obligation to keep users safe and secure, and their priorities increasingly stifle our own.
In the case of this happening for open source projects, the consensus is to make your own fork. But:
The problem with forking Lemmy is in starting from all the bad that is inherently there, and trying to make it better. That is way more work than starting fresh with more developers. IE, not using Rust for a web app and UI, better database queries from the start, better logging/functions from the start; not adding on bandaids. A fork of Lemmy will have all of Lemmy’s problems but now you’re responsible for them instead.
We don’t need a fork, we need a solution.
To give just one painful example of where an upstream solution is sorely needed: the federation, blocking, and/or removal of problem images.
- You post an image to Beehaw.
- Beehaw sends your content out to every other server it’s federated with
- Federated server accepts it (beehaw.org is on their allowlist), or rejects it (beehaw.org is on their denylist)
- If the server accepts it, a copy of your post or comment including the images are now on that receiving server as well as on the server you posted it to. Federation at work.
- Mod on beehaw.org sees your post doesn’t follow the rules. Removes it from beehaw.org. The other instances Beehaw pushed this content to, do not get that notice to remove it. The copy of your content on Beehaw was removed. The copy of your content on other servers was not removed.
- The receiving federated instance needs to manually remove/delete the content from their own server
- For a text post or comment that’s removed, this can be done via the admin/mod tools on that instance
- For a post or comment including a thumbnail, uploaded images, etc; that media content is not removed. It’s not tracked where in Lemmy that content was used at. Admin removal of media commences. This requires backend command line and database access, and takes about a dozen steps per image; sometimes more.
There are dozens of issues—some bigger, some smaller—like this that we have encountered and have either needed to patch ourselves or have reported up the chain without success.
Alternatives and the way forward
If possible the best solution here is to stay on Lemmy—but this is going to require the status quo changing, and we’re unsure of how realistic that is. If we stay on Lemmy, it is probable that we will have to do so by making use of a whitelist.
For the unfamiliar, we currently use a blacklist—by default, we federate with all current and newly-created nodes of the Fediverse unless we explicitly exclude them from interacting with our site. A switch to a whitelist would invert this dynamic: we would not federate with anybody unless we explicitly choose to do so. This has some benefits—maintaining federation in some form; staying on Lemmy; generally causing less entropy than other alternatives, etc. But the drawbacks are also obvious: nearly everything described in this post will continue, blacklist or whitelist, because a huge part of the problem is Lemmy.
Because of that we have discussed almost every conceivable alternative there is to Lemmy. We are interested in the thoughts of this community on platforms you have all used and what our eventual choice is going to be, but we are planning on having more surveys in the future to collect this feedback. We ask that you do not suggest anything to us at this time, and comments with suggestions in this thread will be removed.
As for alternatives we’re seriously considering right now: they’re basically all FOSS; would preserve most aspects of the current experience while giving us less to worry about on the backside of things (and/or lowering the bar for code participation); are pretty much all more mature and feature-rich than Lemmy; and generally seem to avoid the issues we’re talking about at length here. Downsides are varied but the main commonality is lack of federation; entropy in moving; questions of how sustainable they are with our current mod team; and more cosmetic things like customization and modification.
We’re currently investigating the most promising of them in greater depth—but we don’t want to list something and then have to strike it, hence the vagueness. If we make a jump, that will be an informed jump. In any case logistics mean that the timetable here is on the order of months. Don’t expect immediate changes. As things develop, we’ll engage the community on what the path forward is and how to make it as smooth as possible.
Other administrators have probably vocally pushed for these things, but we’re not aware of any public examples we can point to of this taking place. Their advocacy has not produced results that we’re aware of in any case, which is what matters. ↩︎
Perhaps best illustrated by the recent Lemmy dev AMA. We’ll also emphasize that Beehaw’s admin team is not alone in the belief that Lemmy devs do not take mod tools or federation issues particularly seriously. ↩︎
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i’m on board with either staying but using a whitelist or going to another platform, i like the community you guys created so i’d like to keep being a part of it, even it that means moving elsewhere, i trust the mod team to make the best decision for the hive 😂🐝🌼
buuuut, i also like lemmy and the fediverse, so if we do move out i might have to migrate my account to another instance 🙈 (if that’s possible for lemmy)
I’m on board with a whitelist if Beehaw wants to stay on Lemmy, too.
And if they move, I’ll just make a Lemmy account on a different instance or kbin or whatever to keep track of a few communities outside of Beehaw. I don’t think you can migrate your account, but I could definitely be mistaken about that (still figuring out this fediverse thing)!
i looked into it and it seems like it’s not a thing :'/, so if you ever want to switch to another instance you have to create a new account.
Good to know!
I would think moving to a different platform would still entail it being a federated platform, right? So there would still be interaction from that platform with Lemmy and the Fediverse at large.
They outlined in their post any platform they’re evaluating right now does not have activitypub
Not necessarily, we could move to a non-federated platform.
As an admin of furry.engineer, pawb.fun, and pawb.social (our lemmy instance) i have to concur. After just a few months, i’m just… tired.
Keeping the hardware happy is easy and fun, but moderation is nearly impossible. Also the waves of reactionary argumentative users from instances with open sign up are getting out of hand.
I’m about ready to switch to whitelist federation personally, but would need to build said whitelist. I will monitor and see where beehaw goes from here, because if our moderation team agrees, we will probably take similar action.
I have no faith in the lemmy devs to take these issues seriously. Has anyone looked at kbin to see what is different in terms of moderation?
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Has anyone looked at kbin to see what is different in terms of moderation?
Kbin is a newer app, but it isn’t any further along than Lemmy in terms of moderation tools. It is only now just getting an API to allow any kind of automation tools. For the past month spam has been a problem on the main kbin instance and the developer has openly said he hasn’t been able to keep up with it.
Popping in late to say that the guy running kbin has said that a huge update is coming by the end of month, and one of the things that’s getting fixed is admin tools across federation. With luck, kbin will be less of a mess soon.
@[email protected] had some thoughts, I saw, some time ago, about KBin mod tooling. They were not flattering
That is… discouraging.
For some background: I am a hardware and sysadmin junkie. my server rack is a homelab for learning and reinforcing skills around systems administration, virtualization, and now kubernetes. All this bad faith behavior on lemmy is killing my ability to focus on learning, and mastodon has nowhere near the same number of bad actors. Not sure what it is about a link aggregation service that attracts these people.
If things continue the way they are, whitelisting federation or shutting down will likely be our options.
Don’t get me wrong, i adore the idea of folks logging into the server in my basement and hanging out, I just don’t think that outweighs the current stream of bigotry, hate and CSAM being passed around.
All the admins here have given me plenty of reason to trust that you’ll make the right decision for Beehaw, whether that’s staying or moving. This is a good place and I’ll stick with you no matter what you decide.
I really enjoy the community here on Beehaw, even though I mostly lurk and rarely post/comment. I do support Beehaw and will stay even if the platform changes. That said - and I speak only for my own experience here - I don’t subscribe to any categories outside of Beehaw itself, just because (a) I know how the fediverse can be, and (b) there’s a LOT out there, and I like the simplicity of a smaller community. For those reasons, adopting a whitelist would not impact my experience on Beehaw much, if at all. Wanted to say this in case it resonates with other users. Thanks for all you do.
Given the specifics of Beehaw’s nature I’m surprised it’s not whitelist driven already.
Perhaps there should be some set of common ground rules - an accord of sorts - that sites could sign on to and that would establish your white list.
I am well aware of the post requesting moderation changes from a few months ago, and on the informal post I suggested the AutoMod tools people have began developing could help. However, hearing the myriad of other issues you’re facing, it does sound as though my suggestion would be a band-aid solution at best to a system that need changes from almost the ground up, but perhaps it could buy time to get the other changes developed.
Whatever direction your team decides to take Beehaw, I will be(e) happy for you, even if I don’t follow it to the new service.
A few high level notes about this post, given some of the discussions and behavior in the informal chat post by Chris the other day:
- We understand this is perhaps the biggest crossroads we’ve hit yet, and a seriously big issue. It’s understandable that you might have strong emotions about the Fediverse as a whole, or the action we are taking as an instance. If you are not from our instance and you come into this thread with a short hostile comment about how we aren’t respecting your views or that we should never have joined the Fediverse in the first place, your comments will be removed and you will be banned.
- Any suggestions for what we should do, that involve actual effort or time, such as finding developers to fix the problems we’ve had should be accompanied with an explanation of how you’re going to be helping. We’ve lodged countless github tickets. We’ve done our due diligence, so please treat this post with good faith.
- Similarly doing nothing more than asking for more details on the technical problems we are struggling with, without a firm grasp of the existing issues with Lemmy or the history of conversations and efforts we’ve put in is not good faith either. We’re not interested in people trying to pull a gotcha moment on us or to make us chase our tails explaining the numerous problems with the platform. If you’re offering your effort or expertise to fix the platform you’re welcome to let us know, but until you’ve either submitted merge requests or put in significant effort (Odo alone has put in hundreds of hours trying to document, open tickets, and code to fix problems) we simply may not have the time to explain everything to you.
- I want to reiterate the final paragraph here in case you missed it - we are not looking to make any changes in the short term. We expect it would be at the minimum several months before we made any decisions on possible solutions to the problems we’ve laid out here.
- Finally, I want to say that I absolutely adore this community and what we’ve all managed to build here and that personally, I really care about all of you. I wish we weren’t here and I wish this wasn’t a problem we are facing. But we are, so please do not hesitate to share your feelings 💜
Hi, just wanted to say I think you’re really cool and keep up the good work :-)
Similarly doing nothing more than asking for more details on the technical problems we are struggling with, without a firm grasp of the existing issues with Lemmy or the history of conversations and efforts we’ve put in is not good faith either. We’re not interested in people trying to pull a gotcha moment on us or to make us chase our tails explaining the numerous problems with the platform
This is understandable but leaving platform is a big decision and the technical reasons are not really clear. Or at least they are not really crystal clear from the posts I have read. As end users we don’t really have much of a choice except to trust you.
Personally one example I have is the lack of moderation tools. I have read numerous times that it was a problem. But I do not know what it means practically speaking - what is missing exactly.
You do not have to explain it and I am not asking it of you. But I just want to say that I feel like there are details that sound to be very relevant to your future decision but are yet undisclosed. Or maybe I just missed them
Thanks for all the work into making Beehaw what it is today. I joined during the Reddit exile and I’m happy to have found this community. I hope it continues to thrive
Some of the moderation issues that we’ve talked about in the past are linked in the OP post. I will say that it has only gotten worse over time. I cannot think of a single moderation feature which actually fully works. That is how bad I think things are. They’re all broken in subtle ways. Yes, even reports are broken.
Given that it’s still a newish project I do not find it abnormal to have broken features though I understand that it must be frustrating to have to deal with issues like that.
If a benevolent user were to work on fixing such bugs perhaps the problem would get solved ? Maybe once the new contributors catch up, one of them will make development in that direction ? Or do you believe there is really no hope for the project in that regard ?
Well, under any other circumstances, I would absolutely agree. Many users for other projects do, and have, volunteered their time, money, and blood (both in a metaphorical and a somewhat literal sense) so that a project can survive and live. However, that’s just not the case here.
More then enough end users have tried to make the switch to become engineers, developers, bug hunters, the full works. They have offered up their time, their blood, their money, and their minds trying to help Lemmy get off the problems it currently sits on. There isn’t a bereft amount of people, both experienced and inexperienced, unwilling to help, in fact, there’s probably too many spoons in the pot.
What I’m trying to say is that, it’s not problem with the helpers, it’s a problem with those who need the help, because it appears that those who need the help don’t really want it in the first place at all.
Sorry if I missed it, but do you have a specific example where the proposed help was denied by the maintainers? A case where they clearly acted against it such as a merge request denial, prematurely closing the issue or explicitly telling contributors to not contribute on that?
I see there is an issue here: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3275
This issue was too large so lionir asked it to be split and linked two related issues like https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3662
So far I am not seeing anything like maintainers refusing the help - but perhaps this happened in private side channels or something like that?
I might have missed it too, but I don’t see what’s the core issue. I understand that the lack of moderation tools can be very frustrating, but Lemmy is open source and anyone can do a PR with improvements.
If the devs discard them for no reason or are rude I would understand the “they don’t want any help” argument, but I saw no example.
Creating another social media project is just splitting efforts and I’m not sure if the amount of work is not being underestimated by a big margin.
It may be new, but there has been a huge surge in users and the jank has gone from “annoying” to “liability” now.
I feel the technical reasons are pretty clear. The media example alone is a great one. If someone drops illegal media onto one instance now, every admin has to take a ton of steps to scrub it from their instances. Through no fault of their own!
We hear every instance people say “we need moderation tools.“ Well, we don’t have them. I’m not mad at the developers, it has been a crazy few months and it’s not like any of these people are getting paid to do this. But it doesn’t matter what the intention is. If the tools aren’t there and are needed, eventually something has to give. There is too much burden on the admins of instances as it is. I’m not even talking about the financial side either!
doesn’t this fix the issue with media? https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/3897
I think ultimately y’all need to do what allows you to create the community you (we all really) want, even if that means ending the instance and moving somewhere else. It is not a moral imperative to use Lemmy and this was always a risk.
Lemmy has been a great experiment and there was a lot of momentum with the modest exodus that happened from Reddit, but if development is not going the way it needs to go, then we can’t stay here. Simple as that.
I was unaware of the Herculean effort it took in order to remove unwanted media from other instances. That is not just an inconvenience, that is a potentially huge liability. It’s also one more reason why I don’t host my own instance (despite the fact that I probably know enough to get it started, but probably too little to stay out of trouble lol). 
All of this is to say I support whatever decision you make. As long as Beehaw continues to exist I want to be a part of it, and I trust y’all to steer the ship accordingly.
I’m sad to see how dire the situation is on the moderation and admin side of things, but I just wanted to say best of luck and wish you the best no matter what you decide.
The communities in this instance are occupying a good portion of my subscriptions (quality content most of the time) and I’ll definitely miss them if you end up leaving the fediverse.
Thank you for all that you do
I’m also quite unnerved by the responses to @[email protected] in regards to the promotion of instances that spread bigoted ideas and harrass other instances on join-lemmy.
The complete disregard seems to run counter to the ideology that beehaw is built on. It becomes clearer to me as time goes on that beehaw and lemmy have very different (and in some cases opposite) goals and priorities in mind. I for one would be completely onboard for a switch. I’ve admittedly used beehaw and lemmy in general less and less as the moderation issues and shift of tone in conversations have increased.
I think the admins and moderators of beehaw have been doing a wonderful job with the hand dealt regardless.
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Yeah those responses are… Pretty bad, and even trend towards almost making me think he’s intentionally refusing to acknowledge the nature of the question
Yes I’m with you there. It reminded me a lot of the common reactionary strategy of purposefully misinterpreting a question in to make the question asked sound unreasonable. Trying to paint it as though promoting them equally with all the other instances is a neutral action/position.
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You might want to check out Tildes too. I don’t know if it’s exactly what you’re looking for, which I think is a community where you form relationships with others (hasn’t been my experience there [nor here]), but its main focus is less noise, better content (as in both posts and conversation). It’s less about jokes or raking in upvotes and more about having something meaningful to say.
I haven’t encountered that much of any kind of hate speech or your average internet assholery so it might be at least a place to check out.
It’s a bit dry and slow content wise so I don’t think it’ll end up being anyone’s one stop shop for everything social media.
Our website came to fruition because many of us started on Tildes. We were upset with the way minorities were being treated on that website. I spoke out vocally about it, and was told in no uncertain terms that meta-discussions like that were not going to be tolerated. Tildes is better than most, but it still has issues that are not in alignment with what we are trying to accomplish here.
I don’t know if they’ve gotten their act together after that or not but I haven’t come across stuff like that. Or maybe I’m just ignorant and a bit blind to that stuff. Most of your typical internet negativeness I’ve seen has been about Starfield but even that is kinda whatever bickering.
Either way, I’m not suggesting that Tildes would be replacements for Beehaw, just another avenue to check out once in a while.
They have not. It’s really below the surface and only shows up every once in awhile in threads about minorities. It’s a big reason for the entire concept of how we structured our rule system (lots of rules lawyers there), because it was very clear that there is a small subset of strongly opinionated rather privileged users on Tildes who come out of the woodwork to share their ignorant viewpoints. The easiest way to explain it is to vaguely call them all privileged male rationalist centrists - they are often not explicitly bigoted but they are often blind to the privileges they have been afforded and how the system oppresses others.
A hard topic to talk about without specific examples but I’ll take your word for it and keep an eye out when scrolling over there.
If you’re really curious you can search my post history on Tildes. I’m not interested in digging up the past or casting shade in any way, just mostly want to provide context on the platform and the problems I’ve experienced there.
I’m angry. Everywhere I go on the internet, I encounter some form of prejudice and hate.
What Cambridge Analytica unleashed 10 years ago spread like second-hand smoke to all the platforms and society at large, and it works. There are copycats all over the place now and the whole world has become more hostile. Professional psychologists / psychiatrists endorsing these media techniques was one of the worst things to happen to humanity. The damage may take centuries to heal.
“Chaos and disruption, I later learned, are central tenets of Bannon’s animating ideology. Before catalyzing America’s dharmic rebalancing, his movement would first need to instill chaos through society so that a new order could emerge. He was an avid reader of a computer scientist and armchair philosopher who goes by the name Mencius Moldbug, a hero of the alt-right who writes long-winded essays attacking democracy and virtually everything about how modern societies are ordered. Moldbug’s views on truth influenced Bannon, and what Cambridge Analytica would become. Moldbug has written that “nonsense is a more effective organizing tool than the truth,” and Bannon embraced this. “Anyone can believe in the truth,” Moldbug writes, “to believe in nonsense is an unforgettable demonstration of loyalty. It serves as a political uniform. And if you have a uniform, you have an army.” ― Christopher Wylie, Mindf*ck: Cambridge Analytica and the Plot to Break America
Moldbug writes, “to believe in nonsense is an unforgettable demonstration of loyalty
Sounds like taken straight out of 1984 (published 1949).
I’m sure I’m saying nothing new with all the comments here, but I thought I’d comment anyways:
I don’t think it would be the end of the world for Beehaw to migrate to a new non-federated platform, and I would probably maintain my account there as well. I honestly think Beehaw and Lemmy might both be worse off for it though.
When Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works a while ago I made a second account to browse the defederated side of Lemmy; but I’ve found I rarely use that account anymore. The number of bad (and often hurtful) takes I’ve seen coming from the wider Lemmy community are exhausting and I can’t be bothered to look through them most of the time.
Right now I feel (aside from all the work our overworked admin team deals with) Beehaw is in the perfect sweet spot. It has the welcoming and protective environment, which I feel is absolutely necessary; and it has activity from select instances that helps keep it interesting and fresh.
I think if Beehaw left Lemmy, I would miss activity from the friendlier instances, and I’m sure they would miss the activity from Beehaw as well. If Beehaw left, I genuinely think the whole of Lemmy would be just a little less safe and a little less friendly.
Having said that, it sounds like the current model is simply unsustainable, and maintaining the integrity of all of Lemmy is not your job. I hope you can find a solution that makes everyone happy while still maintaining your sanity.
My personal suggestion would be to contact the admins of some of the friendlier instances and maybe try making a shared suggested whitelist that just has confirmed friendly instances with admin teams you trust. Each instance could obviously alter their own whitelist, but it could be a good starting point for any new instances who are looking for safe instances to federate with (pending approval).
Good luck to you all in navigating this issue
I’m really sorry for the difficulties you’re facing now. I totally understand the frustration of feeling you’re fighting the platform when all you want to do is provide a good experience for your users
At the same time though, I don’t think we could ask for a better team to be helping push the Threadiverse forward. Thank you for all the effort you’re putting in
I also think I owe an apology for offering help in the past and then flaking, to put it mildly
Wishing you all the best, wherever this takes you
I don’t really get all or any technical aspects of how Lemmy and Beehaw work; but… why can’t we defederate and then wait until issues are solved at Lemmy? Then we can just refederate?
Plus being defederated and the word out there already floating around that Beehaw is a bit more chill / less toxic might help others move here and give it a go …
Shrug 😔 that’s my 2 cents anyways…
I am down either way. Beehaw’s local communities are enough for me and I like things at a slower pace TBH
Edit; why not hold/take a poll n see how the Bees feel about it ?
Yes. Or maybe it could also be done with a very restrictive federation whitelist to popular instances and and a tweak to never downloaded federated images.
and a tweak to never downloaded federated images
I think that’s already a feature https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/3897
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I’m grateful to people who build safe spaces, whether online or IRL. And I’m sorry when they struggle to find the tools they need.
If you decide to switch to another plateform that fits your needs better, I’ll follow you.
Wow, there really are serious moderation issues. I can see what that’s a huge amount of work to deal with.
Honestly, I’m happy to join if beehaw move on to something like a forum and not-federated. IMO (which may sound selfish to some but) I join beehaw because of the vibe and the rules that I’m happy to follow. I’m not really joining beehaw because I want to use it as a Reddit replacement, but I want to interact with the community. I feel like Beehaw identity doesn’t really tie to lemmy or on specific software.
So whatever if it federates or not will not really affect me much. I only speak for myself, of course. For others, it might not be the same case. I feel safe commenting and talking in beehaw own community, so… whatever the decision, maybe I’m happy to stay/follow with beehaw. Thank you for the transparency and hard work you all put into beehaw :)
