Are those so called “climate protestors” the losers blocking public roads?
Yup, they glue themselves to the streets, blocking the traffic.
Did Nazi that coming
As much as Germany denies it, it has been proven in the last 10 or so years that they really loved their nazi days. France seems to also love having been under nazi occupation too, and they seem to have a similar anti-environmentalist attitude.
When did Anti-environmentalist tomfoolery become pro-Nazi?
I mean, Nazis have a consistent record of being everything anti human and good personified. Capitalists want oil production to continue, they’ll fund fascists to be their force to ensure it goes uninterrupted
Nazis were largely wiped out before society at large realized Carbon emissions were a problem. Externalizing problems with our nation states on “Nazi Gremlins” instead of our lack of dedication to freedom is exactly why these theoretical protestors are political prisoners.
The NSDAP was wiped out in 1945 but denazification was woefully incomplete and individual Nazis held positions of power in institutions like NATO, NASA, West German intelligence, etc, well after the 50s. That’s just direct members of the NSDAP and not all the neo-nazi splinter parties which West Germany and United Germany by their own admissions never wiped out. Add onto that various explicitly neo-Nazi groups in other countries and active militant Nazi-adjacent groups overseas and I don’t think it’s accurate or productive to say that Nazism has been “largely wiped out”.
There are more cases of measles in Western society than Nazis. Measles has been “largely wiped out” when compared to it’s peak.
it’s peak.
Its.
More pro-fascism
“Become”? No. It just has been for lone one of their indicative “modern” traits.
Yeah that’s incorrect.
https://facingtoday.facinghistory.org/examining-nazi-environmentalism-during-earth-week
Their motivations were still racist and bad, but the Nazis in Germany were not anti-environment.
Unless you mean modern Nazis, at which point ok maybe I haven’t really researched modern Nazis. I know the people they support certainly are, whether they admit they’re Nazis or not.
I mean… They explicitly said “modern”
On a thread about Nazi Germany, forgive me for staying on topic.
My bad, I didn’t notice that.
I do think though that the parent comment was mainly referring to detaining people without due process when talking about Nazi Germany, rather than the environmental perspective.
Gonna need a source on that.
It’s not the cause, it’s the tactics. Throwing people in jail before they actually do anything is a classic hallmark of tyranny.
The tactics are tyrannical but not uniquely fascist. Jailing political opponents because they angered the crown is a European tradition that predates Rome.
Fair. I guess fascist is just what humanity has come to call such things.
I heard someone call the removal of the green M&M fascism once. Just because people label it as such doesn’t make it accurate.
Fascist is also what humanity uses to refer to actual fascism, which is having a pretty unfortunate resurgence at the moment. Its not just referring to tyranny.
This is specifically Bavaria. They also recently found out that their vice president has a past as a Nazi and the reaction of their president was essentially “Oh no. Anyway…”. So, yeah, if you considered visiting the Oktoberfest, maybe reconsider.
what is not going to Oktoberfest gonna do?
Eh, I don’t expect random tourists to be locked up by the fascists, nor do I necessarily expect the not-quite-fascists to distance themselves from the fascists, just from losses in the tourism industry.
I’m mostly just saying, there’s tons of places you could be traveling to and “drinking beer with fascists” isn’t quite as attractive anymore.
Hurt the bavarian economy.
being out of reach of nazis or conservative christians can increase safety and well-being
But what if I want to snort Wiesnkoks off of a dick?
So you’re saying we should all drop social media? Not a bad idea
DEUTSCHLAND 😎💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
in bad authoritarian soviet gommulist china,,
Preventative DetentionPolitical prisoners
What the fuck
Bavaria is a traditionally very conservative state. The Conservative party is ruling with an iron grip for decades.
But Munich
Bavaria is our Texas.
Germany is not alright and Bavaria is the least alright , nominally leftist parties barely get up to 10% in elections there so yeah was to be expected.
But yeah.
Additional Context: The state government of Bavaria (and several others around that same period, with similar ideas) passed a controversial reform of police laws in 2017-2018 (It was polemically called “The strictest police law since 1945”).
It included changes such as:
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increased allowance of use of personal data by the police forces.
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allowing the police to openly film and photograph people participating in public gatherings.
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allowing the police to infringe on postal secrecy and to confiscate mail without a person’s knowledge. (if given permission by the courts)
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allowing the use of police spies. Including even entering people’s homes if given permission.
As well as making previous restrictions such as on “probable danger” way more lax.
They should put some kind of mark on all those suspicious people and their house, to also let other people know who lives among them.
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English translation (from Google Translate):
Last generation: 27 climate demonstrators in Bavaria were preventively imprisoned
In the run-up to the IAA motor show, the police in Bavaria took activists from the last generation into so-called preventative detention. The procedure is very controversial.
By Kai Biermann
September 2, 2023, 4:14 pm
According to Last Generation, Bavarian authorities have currently put a total of 27 supporters of the group in prison without trial or verdict. This means that the number of activists in preventive detention has almost doubled, the group writes in a statement. They are therefore being held in the Stadelheim and Memmingen correctional facilities.
A large number of them were apparently taken into custody in connection with the IAA International Motor Show, which is scheduled to take place in Munich from September 5th to 10th. The last generation had announced protests against the fair. According to Last Generation, at least 16 of those affected are in custody until September 10th.
Eleven more are expected to serve longer sentences. According to Munich police, ten of them were taken into custody during a blockade on Friday. The Munich district court then ordered that they remain in prison until September 30th.
Nowhere as long as in Bavaria
Legally, this police approach is called preventive detention because it is not detention for a crime that has been committed. The police laws of the different states allow this for different lengths of time. In Bavaria, up to one month in prison is permitted, which may be extended by a judge for a maximum of another month. In other federal states, however, it is usually only a few days.
The so-called preventive or preventive detention is very controversial. The relevant laws were originally created to prevent terrorists from carrying out attacks. However, this form of detention is now also permitted in the case of the “imminent commission or continuation of an administrative offense of considerable importance for the general public,” as the Bavarian police law states. Lawsuits against this have so far been rejected in Bavaria. However, a final clarification about the legality of this approach is still pending.
This form of deprivation of liberty is all the more problematic because the protesters will not face imprisonment if they are convicted for a blockade. The corresponding procedures regularly only end with fines.
Carla Rochel, the spokesperson for the Last Generation, writes in the statement: “The question we as a society have to ask ourselves at this moment is: Do we think it’s okay that protest for all of our basic right to life means prison instead of climate protection is answered?”
Thank you for the translation. This is exactly why people need to be wary of tools used against bad actors, that will then be used against everyone. A tool in the toolbox will be used by the police. Slippery slope is real. Once you establish precedent the tool is useful, you’ll see it again.
It’s not a slippery slope fallacy, if the slope is actually slippery.
Bad actors are everywhere and are especially drawn to positions of power (normal people see life-changing power over others as a major responsability, hence a burden).
This is why you limit power concentration on any single individual or organisation, have checks-and-balances on power and have higher demands of transparency and reporting one those with power than on run-of-the-mill citizens.
Of course the assholes drawn to power will do everything they can to subvert, nullify, remove or bypass those mechanisms and the reasons why we see right here in how these people (never forget, organisations are not sentient: it’s always people making decisions) because they could choose to use these kind of laws that break the spirit of the Rule Of Law in democracies - which we were told were for use against terrorists (a very specific type of mass murder) - against demonstrators who have not even committed an actual crime and whose history indicated that the biggest crime the would ever commit would be mild property damage, something nowhere near the range of actual murder, much less mass murder.
In Canada I’m very wary of the current trial against the leaders of the Freedom Convoy for this reason. Popular sentiment at the time of their protest was that they were bad for blocking the road, and what comes from this trial could set precedent that could be used to criminalize climate and social justice protests in the future.
Oh, look those of us that were pointing out the risk of abuse of all those high-overreach laws passed in the aftermath of 9/11 during peak “terrorist scare” (even though more people died from falling in their bathtubs than from terrorist attacks) are once again proven right.
What! A! Surprise!
Hahaha and people look at them as if they’re a country to be emulated
“the free world”
The planet is being cooked by oil companies benefitting from your tax dollars and you’re thrown in jail for disagreeing with it…
but then they want to lecture you about “freedom” when you mention regulating pollution in any capacity.
‘Innocent until deemed inconvenient.’
I work with people who actually think that’s a good thing. I really fucking hate my coworkers.
Damn…I hate your coworkers too!
What does this have to do with technology?
It’s minority report but crappier.
OP may have posted it to this mag instead of another one by mistake
Is this like Minority-Report-type shit?
