• Raltoid
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    The modern version of a pizza is sometimes said to have been invented in the late 1800s, since that is when the first “proper” recipe is from. But there are a few key points that might inform your question and other answers:

    • Flat bread baked with toppings already on it has been a thing for several thousand years across the world.

    • Among which was a type of street food referred to as pizza in Italy before the Tomato arrived in europe

    • Tomato is from the Americas, it wasn’t known and didn’t exist in europe until the mid 1500s.

    • On its own a fresh tomato is not very nurishing compared with other common fruits and vegetables, and since toxic versions exisited, it was mostly used as table decoration in places like Italy for a while.

    • The first mention of tomatoes as an ingredient in an Italian cookbook is from 1692. And it wasn’t widely adopted as a staple food until the 1700s.

    • There are descriptions from the mid 1800s talking about the wide variety of pizza toppings, as it was already an established food by that point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato#History

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_pizza

    • The baker boy had come to wake up Octavius Picus from his afternoon nap. The delegation from the market at Nuceria had already arrived. They were early. Three people, the boy said, an elderly man with bad eyesight and a young woman guiding him, and another man who was carrying some scrolls. They could be heared chatting with Octavius’ wife Marcella in the atrium. No hurry. He sat up on the bedside and rubbed his eyes.

      The landlords around Nuceria had recently founded a cooperative and had now come to bargain a new deal for their grain. He wouldn’t really know what to make of it, especially since his plan of opening a taverna would certainly require him to buy more wheat and he also wanted to have their beer. Would all that make it more expensive or less? –
      Alright, let’s serve them something, he told the boy. Make us five of the speciality quick plates, with sausage, eggs and sweet wine, but not the most expensive one. And do not forget the basilicum and cheese sauce on the panem picum!

  • Sean
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    62 years ago

    According to WIkipedia:

    The term pizza was first recorded in the 10th century in a Latin manuscript from the Southern Italian town of Gaeta in Lazio, on the border with Campania. Raffaele Esposito is often considered to be the father of modern pizza.

      • @[email protected]
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        132 years ago

        True, which is why dairy farming actually predates widespread lactose tolerance! Nevertheless, you’re more likely to get a widespread culture of dairy-eating if you also have a lot of adults who can tolerate a variety of dairy products.

  • BrerChicken
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    512 years ago

    Tomatoes are from the Americas, so it wasn’t around in European ancient times. I guess it could have been invented in the Americas, but cheese wasn’t really a thing there.

    • @[email protected]
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      152 years ago

      Even crazier, noodles come from China/Asia. So what the fuck did Italians eat before Columbus?!

      • BrerChicken
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        52 years ago

        Well if you remember Marco Polo, the Venetian explorer from the 13th century, famously established a trade route to China. That was about 250 years before Columbus. Of course there was already trade back and forth between Europe and Asia, but let’s just not forget the future Italian who is just famous for connecting with China!

  • NYPariah
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    22 years ago

    I think tomatoes came to Europe after Columbus brought them back from the Americas. But white pizza, no damn excuse there. With ya on this one.

  • @[email protected]
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    112 years ago

    But tomatoes didn’t exist anywhere outside of two isolated continents until the turn of the 16th century

  • pruwyben
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    102 years ago

    What really blows my mind is that the wheel has been around since ancient times, but bicycles weren’t invented until the 1800s.

      • pruwyben
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        72 years ago

        The first ones didn’t have chains, the pedals were just connected to one of the wheels. Like those old ones with the big front wheel.