• @markr@lemmy.world
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    1402 years ago

    Lumping ‘always’ with ‘sometimes’ is cooking your results to meet your objective.

    • @ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca
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      322 years ago

      That was the most infuriating thing about this whole post to me. Elon’s braindead take is on brand and expected at this point, but that chart (or worse, the reaserch behind it) is the true crime here.

      • @ffolkes@fanexus.com
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        132 years ago

        I like how they count “Nothing”, “No response”, and “Other” as being separate religions so that the chart looks nore intimidating.

      • phillaholic
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        32 years ago

        It’s by a right-wing / libertarian think tank. Spinning whatever bs they want.

  • @Ranvier@sopuli.xyz
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    952 years ago

    If this graph isn’t just made up bs in the first place, one thought I recall from every major college campus I’ve been to is random religious preachers camped out every day telling everyone they’re evil, subhuman, and going to hell. Guessing the atheists find that a little more annoying and worthy of shouting back at than some of the religiously inclined.

    • @XanXic@lemmy.world
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      592 years ago

      Nazi: “white power!” Normal people: “hey, stfu!” Cristian Conservatives: “hey I don’t agree with it but let’s hear him out. Some people might agree, his ideas deserve to be discussed and given a platform”

      • @III@lemmy.world
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        222 years ago

        Alternatively:

        Reasoned person: “We should help poor people”

        Christian Conservatives: “STFU you woke liberal piece of shit, I hope you die! Go suck Biden’s dick, loser”

    • Tony Smehrik
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      162 years ago

      Atheists vs no response/nothing crowd are more quick to point out that you should not only have freedom of religion but also freedom from religion. I think that makes the separation between the two on this graph.

    • HopeOfTheGunblade
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      22 years ago

      Yeah, with their mission trips, and their door to door no-jesus salesmanship, I hate having to deal with atheists always coming around trying to convince me that I don’t need to believe in a god at risk of burning in hell forever. Fucking atheists.

  • Izzy
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    682 years ago

    What does it mean to “Shout down a speaker”? What are they speaking about and what is the purpose of shouting at them?

    • @kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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      7 months ago

      When the hate preachers show up on campus with a bullhorn and try to tell everyone that they deserve to burn in hell, they don’t want the rest of the world to tell them to STFU.

      • Izzy
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        152 years ago

        I see. If someone is yelling obscenities at you then its probably ok to yell at them too although I wouldn’t bother personally. I don’t think this poll can mean anything though as I imagine everyone has different understandings of what a “speaker” is and is doing.

        • @kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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          42 years ago

          I don’t think this poll can mean anything

          Given the obvious motivation of the person who posted it, I’d want to see some independent source before attributing any importance to it.

    • Turkey_Titty_city
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      They go to the lecture and just scream so that that person can’t present. They don’t allow the person to make their case or offer them any respect.

      • @Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee
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        42 years ago

        Bro these people stand in common areas shouting about how everyone is going to hell. They dont have a case and dont deserve any respect. If anything they deserve some counseling from a medical professional.

    • @tburkhol@lemmy.world
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      32 years ago

      And does it apply only to verbal, podium speech, or also to written books and speech by people in [drag] costume.

    • @ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com
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      242 years ago

      These open questions are always kinda crap to draw conclusions from because we don’t know how the question was interpreted by the people answering. In this case we also don’t know the sample size of the groups. Could also be a multitude of other variables at play like location because there are few places where you can find all these religions while getting a good sample size and controlling for other variables like income, education, age etc.

  • ssillyssadass
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    22 years ago

    “Atheism” has been appropriated by people with a grudge against religion who wants to destroy it at all costs, and convert all practitionerd of religion to atheism. So, armchair crusaders.

  • @Zeth0s@lemmy.world
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    02 years ago

    Non-American here. What is Christian and why Catholic, protestant, and orthodox Christians are not Christians?

    This doesn’t make much sense

  • Fushuan [he/him]
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    52 years ago

    The fact that atheism is another belief system is true (none of us is out there proving shit because it can’t be proved, both ways), but calling it wokeness and a religion makes you look like the dumbass you are, Elon.

    • @Licherally@lemmy.ml
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      72 years ago

      Atheism just means that you have yet to find a reason to believe in God or some higher power. It is not a belief system, it is a lack of reason to believe in any belief system.

      • Fushuan [he/him]
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        Atheism is the denial of god’s existence, a-theism, and since you have no way to prove that there’s no god (the same way there’s no way of proving that there is), you believe that your version of the story is the correct one.

        it is a lack of reason to believe in any belief system.

        You believe all the things you think are true but can’t prove.

        I don’t really want this to devolve into an argument, since I get that this way of thinking holds no practical purpouse, so if you think that it’s too philosophical, that’s okay.

  • coffeecup
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    782 years ago

    Ahh yes a graph without citation of research, lovely

    • @Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world
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      162 years ago

      Let’s go a step further and analyze exactly what this graph is saying:

      There’s only about a 20% distribution difference in the “never” sections between Christians and atheists. So on average, 4/5 atheists would answer the exact same as Christians. All this graph says is that Christians are barely more tolerant than people who identify as atheist. Barely is the key word. If anything, this graph proves that tolerance levels don’t fluctuate that much for the individual between differing religions.

      But Bible thumpers need any win they can get, so they don’t read the data for what it is, they just see one bar longer than the other and declare victory.

  • @phx@lemmy.world
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    292 years ago

    Also, what is the relation of “a speaker” to religion? If somebody comes in to speak and starts talking about how we need to gas more jews, stop women from voting, and put the blacks back out in the cotton fields then fuck yeah I’m gonna support cutting them off and sending them packing.

    • @intensely_human@lemm.ee
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      32 years ago

      The topic here is censoriousness. The relationship between a speaker and religion here is via censoriousness, and the reason for that is listed in the first sentence.

      • @phx@lemmy.world
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        122 years ago

        And? You could take the same data and say- “religious persons are less likely to speak out againstmessaging that potentially promotes harm” (likely also dependent on the religious affiliation of the messenger)

        The preceding message that this makes atheists the more “intolerant” group is a pretty massive reach, consider that the messaging they may be against could in itself be one of intolerance as per my example.

  • @bradorsomething@ttrpg.network
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    962 years ago

    Study is done by “TheFire.org,” which is described as a competitor to the ACLU.

    I know… why do we need a competitor to the ACLU?

    Well, per Wikipedia: “FIRE has been described as a competitor of the ACLU. In 2021, the organization had an annual revenue of $16.1 million. FIRE has received major funding from groups which primarily support conservative and libertarian causes, including the Bradley Foundation, Sarah Scaife Foundation, and the Charles Koch Institute.”

    Oh Charles Koch, you scoundrel.

      • @Cort@lemmy.world
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        22 years ago

        Fwiw, they do explain:

        This year’s survey includes 55,102 student respondents from 254 colleges and universities.[1] Students who were enrolled in four-year degree programs were surveyed via the College Pulse mobile app and web portal from January 13 to June 30, 2023

        Kinda like being able to buy a 2024 Kiacarnival since July.