This article is from August 17th. Is there a plan or not?
There is not
Might take a little longer than a month to figure out what to do if your next door neighbor who also has the biggest military the world has ever seen goes full fascist.
I use a spray bottle on my cats. Has Canada even tried that?
You joke, but I almost guarentee it would work on 3 of the last 4 US Presidents.
Bad America, no!
Is the US “doing a Germany”?
I for one welcome our future Canadian overlords
Maple syrup and weed for all!
Is it them taking a hard right authoritarian shift?
No. Canada is centre-left and backed by mid left. The right and far right parties will never have enough seats to go without challenge. Most of the authoritarian parties are far right fringe parties that will like see no more than a handful of seats.
I remember when we said that.
The American far right are not a political party; they are a terrorist organization working under direction from above, whether they know it or not. It would be best to stay prepared against them regardless of election outcomes.
You should take another look at what the CPC is focusing on. At their convention this month they voted on what to focus on as a party; two anti-trans policies passed the policy for affordable housing did not. Is the CPC as far right as the US Republican party, no they’re not, but Poilievre is happy to court people who are. Also he won’t answer non-vetted questions which is a different issue but still rubs me the wrong way.
And more horrifyingly: polling might not mean much this far out, but right now, the CPC is leading. Big. Skippy is terrifying, and terrifyingly close to power.
Only you guys can help your democracy internally. Never fail to vote, get your friends voting and obviously never vote for conservatives.
I’m not all that worried about authoritarianism in America, for this reason: America is a big country full of lazy, entitled fucks who hate their jobs. And our police are the most lazy / entitled / job-hating of them all.
You are never, ever going to get the number of dedicated spies / censors / secret police you would need to pull off authoritarianism in America; they’ll absolutely cut taxes and cut social services, fuck up the economy seven ways to Sunday, and let overseas strongmen run roughshod over smaller countries, but that’s what they’re about. Even on the limited occasions where Americans do dabble in policing thoughtcrime - the recent spate of book censorship for example - it’s half-assed and sloppy and only ever meant as a means to some other end (in the case of book bans, destroying public schools), never something people are actually that excited about in its own right.
So yes, we certainly have to worry about Republicans winning things because they’re going to make everybody’s lives miserable in a hundred different ways if they do, but authoritarianism is beyond their power to pull off.
Do you have any idea the level of big brother spying already going on in the U.S.? Not to mention the propaganda here is so good you don’t even realize you’re consuming it.
I’ve lived in China and I can assure you that by comparison our domestic spying and propaganda are as laughable as our attempts at manufacturing consumer electronics. (and indeed the reasons for our failures at both of those things are somewhat related)
I’ve been to China, their spying is different and more blatant. But, if you think it isn’t happening here, and we’re all a bunch of lazy idiots, then you’ve been duped hard core.
I’m honestly kind of shocked that you could visit China and come back with the conclusion that we aren’t a bunch of lazy idiots.
You can paint everyone broad strokes all you want, doesn’t make it true. Sure, a sizeable portion of our country has a cult of moron dickheads following trumps every word. That doesn’t make the entire country lazy.
Lol, Canada is about to take a far-right turn too. Be sure that Polievre share most of the values of the GOP, he just avoids to talk about it too much. He and his friends are anti lgbt, abortion, immigration, etc. . They dont give a fck about climate change and want to close CBC. He was openly supportive of FreedOMtards truckers parrading with nazi flags downtown Ottawa 2 years ago. So yeah, we are not different from US and most of Europe who elected far-right government, we’rebjust a bit late to the party.
I hope the U.S. is mulling ‘game plan’ if Canada takes far-right, authoritarian shift.
Heh “far right” in Canada would be America’s Democratic party. America’s “far right” is straight up blossoming fascism.
You’d think so, but that poison is spreading up here pretty quietly and quickly.
quietly? It’s loud as fuck.
The world is, loudly, starting to become a little too much like the first quarter of the last century. And it isn’t good, man.
Definitely not looking like we’re heading for happy or prosperous times for most people.
Nah, the right in dangerous up here as well. We’ve imported alt-right fascism wholesale.
Even is we forget about the attempt at our own Jan 6 with the “Freedom Convoy”, the most recent Conservative Party convention had them approving of policies to limit transgender healthcare and ending “forced political, cultural or ideological training of any kind”, essentially a giant rejection of “wokeness” and a call to action for a return to “the good old days”.
Lol did you just use the freedom convoy as our version of Jan 6th? Riiiight
Yes, it was an attempt at our very own maple flavoured coup. The organizers literally had a “Memoradum of Understanding” written up with demands that the current government be dissolved and replaced with their own people.
Just because it failed spectacularly doesn’t mean there wasn’t the same basic inspiration behind it.
I agree our far right is absolutely dangerous for us domestically, but we do not control a plethora of nukes or have the largest army in the world, our courts are not packed with Christian Supremacists, and our political right has historically flirted with extremist factions but actual policy is usually somewhere closer to the centre, so yeah it’s absolutely dangerous but nowhere near the scale that it is in America. One dementia-induced order from that con-man former president (assuming he wins again) can literally end civilisation as we know it. 100% on board with what you’re saying domestically though, PP absolutely cannot be allowed to form government.
Well their gameplan for when Brazil lost its far-right authoritarian was to let him just vibe in Florida despite charges against him, so I’m gonna say if they do have a plan, it’s probably not gonna make you happy.
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Umm. . .
canada is more likely to split apart than take action on anything
If the US goes, Canada will too. I forsee Quebec and New England allying against the plains provinces/states.
Alberta would vote to be the 51st state of the US within days.
We should trade, Alberta for Alaska. Minus that one dumbass politician
Alaska is full of dumbasses just like Alberta
You can have Alberta for free lol
Psst, I live in Onterrible, I don’t want any association with Alberta. I know exactly how stupid people are there.
Half the people I talked to said they would vote Trudeau if he legalized marijuana even though the NDP were campaigning for DECRIMINALIZATION. Bunch of retards (plz be offended) out there
Quebec would probably be “complied” in to servitude since they have mining and softwood lumber resources.
The Gilead plan.
Under His eye.
Given the absolute state of incompetence of the LPC leadership I don’t think we have to worry since it seems exceptionally likely that Canada will also be going right. No clue as to the level of authoritarianism involved, I think the CPC will just keep up the LPC’s pro-corporation anti-people agenda.
Dump money into military spending, border control, and refugee assistance.
Military spending on what though? The CAF is woefully dependent on the US for basically everything. Hell they probably could turn off those F-35s by pressing a button.
I meant in the context of general self-reliance because Canada may not be able to rely on the US.
That’s a fair point, but does Canada have a geopolitical enemy? I genuinely don’t know enough about Canadian politics, and this is a real question.
There is no amount of military spending that could protect Canada from the US. The military gap is obscene.
It makes no sense to ratchet up military spending
I meant in the context of self defense because it cannot rely on the US, not that the US would attempt some kind of attack on Canada.
That makes sense
Does the last sentence really come as an obvious conclusion from the first two?
I believe the opportunity cost of increasing military production does not seem to be worth it, so it follows to me.
Theres other considerations beyond state to state war with the US.
I’m not Canadian and don’t actually have an opinion, but here’s other reasons they might increase their defense budget because of US destabilization. Decreased global stability due to loss of neighboring super power. Non state actors like terrorists or refugees leaving the US.
I don’t think that Canada will be fighting the New Confederacy or the New England Union of Democratic Socialists in 2028, but there are still reasons that a diminished US would mean Canada should spend new money on defense.
Weaponize the geese
I feel like they already have, every flock of geese in your town is a Canadian sleeper cell
The US military itself, yeah probably not…But a group of renegade Americans headed North we might be able to do something about.
I don’t think the context is so much military related but rather diplomatic and economic.
I’m genuinely confused as to why, knowing that the Conservative/Republican brand has always been to serve big business, deregulating while also lowering taxes for the wealthy while cutting services to working class families, why people en masse would vote for them.
I get it, 2 sides of the same coin and all that jazz, but one side of the coin is just greedy, while the other side of the coin is greedy and is actively stoking the fires of a civil war.
Because some people bel8ve taking any kind of welfare is as immoral as molesting a child.
Most of them don’t really believe that. In fact I’m pretty sure most of them don’t actually have many beliefs other than “if i just moving goalposts fast enough, I’ll never have to form a new opinion on anything.”
It doesn’t matter who did what so long as their side is right.
It’s not that they believe welfare is immoral. They believe welfare that comes without the Jesus Strings attached (i.e., welfare from the state) undermines their ability to market Jesus by giving fully Jesus-encumbered welfare to the hard up.
Not in my experience. MY family has no problem with family help, or church help just government help.
Don’t forget the racism so bad they’ll screw themselves as long as it also screws “the wrong people.”
Because they are evil. Evil does not have a reasonable motivation.
Ironically, the other half of their brand is actively screwing with interests of big business. Big businesses also want stability and predictable government fiscal behavior, and republicans are now famous for throwing tantrums and threatening to screw up borrowing and repayment if they don’t get their ways on issues that businesses flat out don’t care about.
I’m both curious and personally invested on what their outlook on refugees would look like. I’ve definitely considered the possibility of having to flee to Canada as a trans woman, but I guess the question is how legitimately I’d be able to enter the country and whether I’d have to go into hiding once I get there.
Right now, yeah a trans person can seek asylum in Canada. But the leader of the Conservative Party is a culture war fashy type not too dissimilar from Ron Desantis. If he gets in, it’ll be dark days north of the border too.
Hope that involves a plan for letting lgbt folks immigrate to safety instead of apologizing 80 years later like they did to the casualties of Nazi Germany who were denied safe passage
The people we accept as refugee’s today live on the streets. You’d be better off pretending to be straight than moving to Canada now days. Doesn’t matter how accepting the government can be if they can’t actually govern and throw all the reigns of power over to corporations.
I’ve heard Canadians claiming they’re already letting LGBT folks from the US achieve refugee status, but that’s strange because Canada has a treaty with the US explicitly stating that they can’t take in refugees arriving from the US. So it seems like Canadian citizens think they’re taking in LGBT refugees from the US, and will likely be confused and push back when people try to tell them that Canada literally can’t take US refugees without the refugee doing a big, long legal song and dance. So my guess is that the Canada is going to claim they’re already doing it (when they don’t actually seem to) and then apologize again in 80yrs.
Edit: y’all wanna tell me how I’m wrong? As someone who’s head will probably be on the chopping block should republicans win the next election, I would really like to know if I can count on Canada not turning me around should I find myself having to show up at the border with my belongings.
Canada won’t be as eager to take US refugees as you hope. I can’t think of a small population dealing with massive refugee inflows from a place that much larger. Think of how destabilising the refugee migrations from Syria were on Europe. Lots of LGBT and sympathetic cases of course but lots of crazy and the amount of entitlement would be overwhelming.
The rest of the industrialised worried will have angry Americans in their faces screaming about their first and second amendment rights every day if there is an exodus.
I would love to say that I have hope that Canada will be willing to break that treaty, but Canada is still financially dependent on the US, not to mention that people who care a lot about “muh Canadian identity” would definitely be against taking Americans.
Honestly I think secessionism has more of a chance than Americans being let into Canada.
not to mention that people who care a lot about “muh Canadian identity” would definitely be against taking Americans.
I know someone who’s non-binary that’s moved to Canada (I think it was on a work visa), and they’ve talked about how Canada has been very welcoming to them in regards to their gender. However, they’ve also said that they’re very glad that their coworkers have either forgotten, or aren’t aware that they’re American because they’ve heard nothing but hate and vitriol towards Americans. No sympathy towards LGBT Americans, no sympathy towards BIPOC Americans, just generally “fuck Americans, they deserve everything that’s happening to them”.
That wasn’t something I was expecting to hear, and it seriously hurt my view of Canada and my hopes that Canada might act as a safe harbor towards LGBT and BIPOC Americans in the future (assuming republicans succeed with Project 2025).
Iirc the stipulations are convoluted. I moved closer to the Canadian border though, just in case.
Yeah, it’d be nice if I could do that. Sadly I’m not in a position to at the moment. My understanding of the whole situation is that Canada allows asylum seekers from the US, who have to go through a long, drawn-out legal process that involves having a politician personally vouch for them. Refugees, however, are automatically turned away from Canada if they come from or through the US as the US is still considered “safe harbor” for refugees of all kinds.
What’s the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee? While asylum seekers and refugees are both fleeing their countries, personally I see asylum seekers as people with options, typically with highly desirable skills or knowledge, allowing them to choose which country to make their new home in. Refugees, on the other hand, show up at the border with the clothes on their backs and whatever they could cram into their backpack or car, because they don’t have anywhere else to go.
Or essentially anyone who would be considered an enemy under a new alt-right regime, such as atheists.
Someone better take me in if shit goes south. I ain’t staying here, and I’m too poor to move myself.
Someone better take me in if shit goes south. I ain’t staying here, and I’m too poor to move myself.
That’s not how any of that works at all.
So it “works” by keeping people who are oppressed in the place they are oppressed in with zero fucking sympathy and no way for a country to actually care about people trying to escape somewhere they cannot? I think you believe the way it “works” is how oppressive cultures want you to think it does.
Or women who no longer have control over their own bodies and physical health
