Taps the sign that says “The Cruelty Is The Point”
ACAB
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You do know it’s not police who make these laws, right? It’s the politicians that get elected by the people who create these laws.
Sure, but the world is too grey to always follow laws exactly as written. If someone is sitting on a beach smoking some weed, they are not going to damage society or others by doing so. Arresting them for drugs that only harm themselves, costs society money for the arrest and provide no benefit to anyone.
Unless our laws are perfect (likely impossible) there will always need to be some leeway for interpretation of the spirit of the law. Cops should not blindly follow laws but understand their intent to prevent harm towards others.
Also, laws are slow to change and don’t often stay up to date with societal changes.
So what you are advocating for is police making their own decisions on a whim, instead of following the rules. I actually thought that behaviour was the problem.
Not on a whim, based on training on the law and its intent. Not that they get that training like that in the USA, AFAIK.
Police should also be accountable to laws and weigh that responsibility against each situation.
Police should also be accountable to laws and weigh that responsibility against each situation
How is that supposed to be possible?
Which part? Understanding how they should follow the law in the real world and the responsibility that brings? They could be wrong or right in any situation (they aren’t lawyers and the world doesn’t conform to laws) and they should be aware of that.
By weighing the law against each situation, what do you mean in practice?
If the law says by possessing marijuana you are a dealer, but a cop finds someone with a small amount, it’s likely for recreation and their possession brings no harm to society or others (what the law wants to prevent). Arresting them may be following the letter of the law, but not the intent (to stop distribution).
Another invented situation: cop pulls over someone driving erratically and too fast, then the driver is a woman who escaped being raped by her date. She was driving erratically because she was emotionally and physically distraught. Is giving her a ticket helping anyone? The cop could say “okay, take it easy and slow while I follow you to make sure you’re out of danger and feel safe getting home”.
Sorry I can’t be more specific, I haven’t gotten years of training on such situations.
They chose to make their career of enthusiastically enforcing these laws with extreme violence. They chose this. Fuck the police.
I mean, its a good start, but it really should be coming from governmental policy.
Its tragic that the government of the UK is so ass-backwards that the enforcement jackboot of the government is the thing going “hey, wait, this feels wrong”.
I feel like this attitude and generalized hatred towards every person working as police will make it worse because no one will want to do that job anymore. It has already happend in the USA. This activism against police in general swaps to other countries via internet culture and European countries as well struggle to get anyone work as police. This will make it necessary to lower standards and additionally, more police will be on edge since there aren’t enough people.
I feel like this attitude and generalized hatred towards every person working as police will make it worse because no one will want to do that job anymore.
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How can you possibly rationalize that less people working as and apply to be police will somehow make the situation better? The opposite is true.
Less authoritarian pigs, more support workers.
Less shot dogs, more rehabilitation centers.
Less ex-military APCs, more rehab beds.
no one will want to do that job anymore
Good.
I’ve never seen a crime deterred or solved by the cops. You know what prevents crime? Improved standards of living. Secure housing. Gainful employment. Future prospects.
You believe that there would be no crime if just everybody had a home and a job? Are you for real?
Crimes of poverty, deprivation, desperation? Significantly less than currently.
But yes, there would still be plenty of white collar crime that we don’t currently tackle either, and in some cases encourage by policy.
If heavy handed policing worked, it would have worked by now.
I’d go farther: home and job are optional, there would barely be any crime if just everybody had future prospects they were worried of losing for not following the law.
You live in a very different world than I do, apparently. What about domestic violence, rape, sexual harassment, infringement on personality rights, etc.?
How much of that is the police stopping? By the time you see it in the news, it’s already happened, committed mostly by people who thought they had nothing to lose, and a few mentally ill.
Domestic violence in particular, is much easier to solve when people can just get up and leave, instead of being tied down by a lack of an alternative.
There will always be inequalities, there will always be unhappiness/unrest, there will always be crime to some degree, and thus there will always be the need of some responsibility to deal with it. The important thing is that this group is selected and actively monitored according to strict requirements. The current situation is bad, especially in the US, something needs to change. But saying we don’t need cops is just as stupid as the right-winger’s “I don’t dial 911 🔫🔫” door sign…
Not everything is about absolutes, everything has nuance, and to say what you’ve just said is to miss the wood for the trees.
Police unions and private prison system lobbyists have entered the chat
Well someone somewhere still believes that prison is about rehabilation and not punishment
also drug addiction is arguably something that the word treatment would be more applicable for
A society with no concept of redeemeption will never get far
self fulfilling prophecy
It’s the same logic as when Republicans claim Government doesn’t work…
It’s not ignorance or stupidity, it’s a mission statement… Republicans are trying to make Government not work and Cops are actively trying to fuck you over
Government is bad and we should have less of it in our faces. To achieve this goal, let’s make the consumption of certain popular drugs illegal, and while we’re at it make laws restricting what women, trans, gay, etc people can do. This should reduce the government’s involvement in our day-to-day lives.
I just don’t understand it. Less government = good (according to practically every republican I’ve met), so lets vote for more laws which restrict people and give the government more power.
Cops do not, never have and never will “protect and serve” a regular person. They protect and serve the elite.
There is a good reason we say ACAB, fuck the police and call them class traitors
They don’t protect people at all, they protect capital
Just a reminder that cops exist simply to uphold the status quo! Our first police squads were created to hunt down escaped slaves! Fuck - and I really mean this - the police.
Also, ACAB. Yes even your friendly neighborhood school pig. ALL COPS
Yeah just generalize and dehumanify the people that pay attention that people don’t break the law, steal, murder and destroy stuff.
You know they are human too? Also would you generalize other large groups of people like this? Without police there would be anarchy and the most violent criminal gangs would make the rules.
You sound like a very annoying person that I would not want to be around.
It’s perfectly circular, like this man’s dome.
Don’t forget that drug laws are often racist e.g. cocaine possession carries a lesser punishment than crack, cannabis is a schedule 1 substance, etc. This goes some way to explaining the legal rationale.
The rest can be found on the Nixon tapes. :)
How is this racist? I don’t doubt that you’re right but I’m not understanding what makes that racist. Are black people significantly more likely to have crack than cocaine or something? At first glance it seems logical to me that cocaine has less of a punishment than crack, but that’s based off of a somewhat limited understanding of the effects of the two drugs.
The racist associations between crack and black people are rumored to actually be an intentional thing. The US government says the allegations have no merit, but the CIA has been accused of funneling large amounts of crack cocaine into the black neighborhoods of LA. Here’s one article about it on a .gov but you can find many other sources on google: THE CIA-CONTRA-CRACK COCAINE CONTROVERSY Relevant quote from the original source accusing them:
For the better part of a decade, a San Francisco Bay Area drug ring sold tons of cocaine to the Crips and Bloods street gangs of Los Angeles and funneled millions in drug profits to a Latin American guerrilla army run by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, a Mercury News investigation has found.
This drug network opened the first pipeline between Colombia’s cocaine cartels and the black neighborhoods of Los Angeles, a city now known as the “crack” capital of the world. The cocaine that flooded in helped spark a crack explosion in urban America . . . and provided the cash and connections needed for L.A.'s gangs to buy automatic weapons.
Air America is a decent movie about another CIA drug ring.
Crack and cocaine are the same drug! From https://americanaddictioncenters.org/cocaine-treatment/differences-with-crack: “Pharmacologically, cocaine and crack are the same substance.”
They are the same pharmacologically, but the effects between snorting and smoking vary greatly.
Regular cocaine powder is cocaine hydrochloride. Crack is made by mixing cocaine hydrochloride with ammonia and then burning off the hydrochloride which makes it a freebase. People don’t smoke regular cocaine until it has been turned into freebase. Smoking cocaine powder is just wasteful compared to snorting it.
Smoking crack results in a more rapid absorption into the bloodstream—compared to snorting the powder. Therefore, the effects are more rapid and quicker to dissipate than if someone just snorted cocaine.
Crack is cheaper than powder cocaine, because crack has less cocaine per dose, and is still very potent. So poorer areas get flooded with crack, as no one can afford to be addicted to cocaine powder in the lower class.
So, in conclusion, it is absolutely discriminatory to have harsher punishment for crack than cocaine. Even if crack is more potent, it has less illegal substance in it by weight than cocaine powder does.
It is right in the name.
Logic is prison slave labor=$$$
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You contribute far below what is required to maintain society.
Contribute or perish!
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Do you think imprisoning somebody because they have an addiction messing with their life is too easy? Or is that just for the dealers? The previous post mentioned drug users.
But drugs can make you more productive like it’s the case with many stimulates like Amphetamine, Methylphenidate and CAFFEINE (which, yes, is a drug)
Which highlights that making drug use illegal is far more about “You using drugs is unpleasant Tobe near, so I’m going to send you to jail” than anything else.
Making drug sales illegal unless through mandated sources make a lot of sense because of the harm it can bring.
I’m from the city this cop was from and if I remember correctly he was shot in the head and survived but obviously not the same. Maybe he died I don’t really remember.
I’m not a fan of the police but on a human level some awful stuff happened to this guy.
Edit: looked it up because I was curious he underwent brain surgery and survived.
Fuck the police as a whole tho
I used to have that same belief but watching “good” cops cover for bad ones made me realize they’re all scummy.
There is always some nuance, but in general most morally upstanding people drop out of training or are pushed out of the force in some way.
That’s the rub, ask yourself why doesn’t it happen more often that a “good cop” calls out a “bad cop?” It just seem so rare. I don’t understand why, these are people from the same community. 🤷♂️
Good cops are usually punished for calling out bad cops. The system is broken.
I agree even this guy but life has nuance and I felt this was info that is pertinent to the meme.
I am once again asking everyone to read Alex Vitale’s End of Policing
I’m all for caging money making dealers that kill when they are threatened with prison. I’ve seen too many people get killed because some cunt that already has enough money is scared to get caught.
If only those were the people that US cops actually arrested.
I know. It’s so sad. Know gang members I figure out they call the cops on their enemies alto get their enemies pissed at the police until the shoot out and usually their victim dies and the cops like gets fucked up.
They use the cops to get away with murder… just like rich people and companies do.
Trap jaw affiliates and the AX graffiti crew do it in New Hampshire/Boston/RI/CT/NYC/Epping/Manchester
They got two people I know killed and even the cops don’t want to hear it.
That’s why I have this username.
I’m starting to think a lot of the 2020 black deaths were staged to help Trump, who is probably controlled/in the mob. (Roger stone/oath keepers/bloods)
Giuliani “got rid of crime” in NYC… i think he was either a part of masking the organized crime or he got owned for fighting it and now they control him.
What’s the threshold of income that would meet your criteria? Do you normally base jail time off of someone’s income, legally or illegally?
Enough to rent and live in a studio apartment. (If they are single)
Im mainly talking about anyone willing to murder innocent people to scare off people that figured out their drug/burglary/pimp game.
I think drugs and prostitution should be legalized.
I’ve known too many criminals that are complete tyrants and fascists. They are heartless and will take from anyone. They are just as worthless as materialistic rich people.
Failure to enforce drug prohibition resulted in Qing China having a nationwide addiction epidemic for British opium, resulting in the opium wars, the country’s bankruptcy, partial European colonization as well as the so-called “century of humiliation”. The effects of this addiction epidemic are still being felt nowadays, e.g. in widespread racism towards Asian people as well as the current opioid epidemic where Chinese-made fentanyl is exported worldwide with the unofficial sanction of the Chinese government.
This is the reason why drug prohibition is a thing, and why many Asian countries have death sentences even for simple possession of narcotics.
Yeah… Racism has nothing to do with the historical opium epidemic in China. Racists just racist. Anyone different from them too, like LGBTQ, and intellectuals.
There are racists everywhere that’s true, but people who are naturally racist are rare because racism is something that is taught. The lack of a strong voice for minority races is what allows racists in power to normalize their discrimination against them, eventually making it a systemic and widespread phenomenon.
You argue that the opium epidemic has absolutely zero effect on racism towards Chinese people. However I say that the opium epidemic directly started a chain of events that led to the downfall of the Chinese government, which enabled racist people to teach their racism to the government and the rest of society without fear of repercussions, therefore enabling widespread and systemic racism against Asians.
I’m sorry, I’ve never seen any mention linking racism to be caused by the Chinese opium epidemic. Because it’s not true. Racism is the belief that one’s own race is superior to others. In order for the opium epidemic to have caused it initially, the common person would have had to know about it at some point.
Due to the speed at which information traveled, hardly anyone was aware, let alone understood, that there was an entire country being controlled by opium sales from Britain.
What I’m trying to point out is that a racist individual will be racist no matter the cause, they were predisposed to think their race superior.
Yeah, it’s not about empathy for you at all
You’re a cog in the machine and they’re protecting the machine, not you.
You know, that sounds like a convenient bullshit story by statists and other mobster to justify their never ending violence. Also, Britain weaponizing drugs, big cringe. You guys deserve thermonuclear armageddon so bad.
The fact that people who can produce brain farts like you are allowed to vote, should tell everyone why pure democracy cant work.
There is no way you just compared modern drugs and war on drugs on the fucking Qing China.
Especially when there are MODERN examples of drug decriminalisation that work, like Portugal or Switzerland.
You are either completely ignorant or stupid to ignore it and use a fucking ancient example instead
Why not? The opium wars are a dark spot in Chinese history and the fascist CCP government is hell bent on “revenge” against the west for that. That’s why the CCP is exporting fentanyl to the west via shell companies and causing the modern opioid epidemic. I would like to see how decriminalization can deal with a targeted attack like that.
This approach is 100 years after prohibition. Hopefully it can overcome the institutional momentum of current drug laws and get implemented in more places.
Faulty premises lead to faulty conclusions.
This is such a bastardization of history. Shame on you for spreading this nonsense.
