Edit: ok your comments just made me buy a cheap android TV box, thanks guyz x

        • @[email protected]
          3•2 years ago

          But I don’t mind giving money to Google for using Google Music/YouTube Music. The no ads on YouTube is just a bonus. I’m paying for the convivence of playing any song I want on any device anywhere I am. And I assume a portion of that fee goes to the artists, although I admittedly don’t know how that works.

          • @[email protected]Nederlands
            1•7 months ago

            YouTube used to play the music in the background without Premium. They also removed community subtitles which has led to many many videos being unsubtitled, which has helped nobody.

            and it used to have only one skippable ad every few hundred vids. Most of the ad revenue doesn’t go to the creators. Why else do you think many Youtubers just have a Patreon or direct pay instead these days?

            so uh, still rewarding greed.

  • @b3nsn0wA
    15•2 years ago

    yeah, when youtubers started complaining that adblock is “theft”, this was a logical continuation. like, the purpose of an ad is to inform me about something i probably wish not to be informed about, and for that you get paid. but what if i don’t watch the ad? the system will still think i watched it, you will still get paid, but the advertiser will not have received the product they paid for. is not looking at an ad “theft” too? are we going to have devices measure attention?

    this isn’t a new concept, by the way. spotify had an experiment a while back about pausing ads if you mute them (might actually just be how it works now, idk, i decided not to use spotify back when they did this, and when they banned adblock users). there’s also the “verification can” story, which is yes, satire, but it shows that the technology exists. telly’s “free” tv (that has a second screen for ads, and afaik can’t be turned off, just turned into ad-only mode) also has presence detection in the room, and could trivially implement attention detection as well. qualcomm also proposed always-on cameras for phones a few years back, specifically for eye tracking, “for security”, which certainly won’t be used for punishing banner blindness. not on google’s os! they definitely don’t run the largest online ad network after all.

    and if you’re against this, but believe adblock is a problem because people aren’t paid for ads if they can’t display the ads, you don’t really care about theft. specifically, you don’t really care if the product advertisers pay for is stolen from them, as long as they’re forced to pay for a worthless return. and sure, fuck the advertising industry, i’m right there with you – but that’s precisely why i do use adblock. there is no alignment here that’s consistent with insisting on propping up that industry but harming its consumer.

    but at the end of the day, what is the product advertisers pay for? is it that the ads is technically delivered to you, even if you cast it aside? if they deliver paper-based junk mail, am i immoral to have a robot throw it out, rather than do it manually? or is the product that i read their junk mail? is there a moral imperative to engage in a fair discussion with them, to honestly consider their point? because, at the end of the day, they pay for all this, so where is the line?

    my line, in particular, is that they can try on an individual scale, but i’m keeping the robot around to yeet their junk mail, and on a societal scale i would like to see the advertising industry disbanded for the harm it causes in market manipulation, surveillance, and adverse psychological effects. but i also don’t consider adblock “theft” so it’s pretty clear we’re not talking about my set of principles. i really would like to see what a person who considers adblock theft actually thinks about all these topics, beyond a simplistic view about youtube creators. if you expand your ideology to other situations, where does it take you?

    • @[email protected]
      4•2 years ago

      That’s why advertisers shouldn’t care about ad blockers - they prevent them from wasting money showing an ad to someone who isn’t interested.

      • @b3nsn0wA
        2•2 years ago

        yeah, in my experience it tends to be websites that care about ad blockers. youtube is the latest mainstream example but i’ve ran into some adblock detectors on random backwater sites (although nowadays the firefox + ublock origin combo seems to cut through them with ease). i don’t think advertisers really give a crap, for the exact reason you mentioned, but websites do insist on wasting the advertisers’ money on people who block ads, because that means they get paid. the real theft is happening between those two parties.

        i’m not trying to absolve the advertisers of blame either though. i think the most mad i’ve ever gotten at them was when i heard how they oppose pay-to-not-get-ads schemes like youtube premium, because it means the most “valuable” users won’t see their ads. their endgame is cable, where you pay out your ass for a service and still get ads shoved into your face (where they take up 25% of the time). on top of that, advertisers are a massive force behind the corporate morality sanitization of the internet in the name of “advertiser-friendliness”, sometimes in blatantly manipulative ways. for example, don’t you dare have a sex-positive attitude because 1) they want to advertise lots of PG-13 shit and don’t want it showing up next to higher rated content, and 2) when they advertise more mature stuff they don’t want the tits in your content to detract from the tits in their ads.

        but yeah, to get back on topic, the anti-adblock technologies are pushed by people who get paid for ads, not by people who pay for ads.

  • @[email protected]
    96•2 years ago

    Please everyone if you’re not using something like Ublock Origin (best in the game imo) you’re doing the internet wrong.

    Some say they play ads to support content creators but they make almost nothing from them because Google is so greedy. Best way to support them is direct, $5 on buy me a coffee or a patreon subscription.

    • @[email protected]
      10•2 years ago

      Whenever possible, just pay them directly through PayPal or a similar service. Out of the money you pay to someone on Patreon, the creator usually ends up with less than 50% due to VAT, payment processor fees, Patreon fees, and income tax. By skipping Patreon, the creator doesn’t lose out to VAT and Patreon fees.

      • @[email protected]
        8•2 years ago

        More creators need to start using Liberapay. It’s a non-profit organization that funds itself via donations, so the only fees it charges are the ones being passed through from the underlying payment processor. It also avoids VAT by prohibiting creators from offering anything in exchange for payment.

    • Sagrotan
      5•2 years ago

      Or New Pipe on phone. It’s quite a while since I saw any ad on YT.

    • @[email protected]
      9•2 years ago

      I just pay $11 for YouTube premium. I did it entirely for YouTube Music (Google Music) but the ad free YouTube was just a nice bonus.

    • @[email protected]OP
      18•2 years ago

      I agree with you, don’t shout at me please 😭 I just can’t use ublock on my TV and I’m too lazy to plug my laptop in.

        • @[email protected]OP
          5•2 years ago

          Thank you. It’s a really old smart TV though and it just has a handful of pre-selected apps you can install.

            • @[email protected]
              6•2 years ago

              I have pihole setup and it doesn’t seem to block YouTube ads on my mibox. Is there an entry I need to add to block them?

              • ⚡⚡⚡
                2•2 years ago

                Yeah, you are not the only one with that problem…

                I don’t know wheather this is an option for you, but there is also a way to use YouTube without using it. There is a project called Invidious. Like in the lemmy universe, there are multiple instances. One of them is https://yewtu.be

                You can use it as a website, but it’s also a progressive webapp. That means, you can go to the website and install it as an app via the browser options. This works on most devices, but I don’t you whether your TV is one of them…

        • @[email protected]
          6•2 years ago

          You can side load on Roku too? Literally tried googling this and every thread was like “not possible”

    • Hyperreality
      9•2 years ago

      Also, firefox on android (and I suspect iOS) allows you to install extensions including ad blockers.

      Faster, saves battery, prevents sites from breaking on mobile.

        • @[email protected]
          5•2 years ago

          Take a look at “vinegar” in the app store. It’s a safari extension that changes the video tag on youtube videos and removes the ads.

          I don’t explain it well, and it costs money (fyi), but it’s working for me.

  • @[email protected]
    11•2 years ago

    Edit: ok your comments just made me buy a cheap android TV box

    That’s a terrible idea; those things all run hacked firmware from China with preinstalled malware. (There’s a fairly recent Linus Tech Tips video about it if you want more info.)

    Instead, you need to be buying hardware from a reputable brand and then (ideally) installing a Free Software OS on it yourself, e.g. a Raspberry Pi running LibreELEC.

    • BruceTwarzen
      1•2 years ago

      Oh shut the guy who tries to sell expensive shit to his audience said so.