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Apple’s new iPhone 15 is an underwhelming ‘slap in the face,’ say disappointed fans::Apple unveiled its new iPhone 15 models this week, and some fans say they lack innovation.
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Lol what? Just dont buy it, Its that simple. Suckers born every minute!
I hate this fucking mentality. It almost always sounds like, “If you don’t like it then you can just leave.”
Which is usually not a solution.
Well the phone market is mostly needs-met so it’s not like anyone is dying because the iphone 15 is not a blockbuster
It actually is and the world would be a better place if people were more willing to vote with their wallets.
Phone companies will absolutely take notice if people start choosing cheaper models over the latest flagships.
I haven’t bought a flagship for my last two generations of phones, I’ve never once regretted not buying the top of the range option and I’m over £1000 better off because if it.
Well the phone market is mostly needs-met so it’s not like anyone is dying because the iphone 15 is not a blockbuster
Apple keeps releasing the same HypePhone every year.
iPhone 12 here… hope to also be using it 2 years hence
You know L4 is a bot, right? They need zero phones. ;)
I don’t know why people expect massive jumps every single year. There’s only so much you can really change year over year at this point.
You don’t need to upgrade every damn year. Apple supports each phone for a minimum of 5-6 years.
Yeah, I’m sure if you just upgrade every 3-4 years there’s plenty that’s been added that makes it worthwhile.
Most definitely. Phones are no longer really throw away devices. They’re full fledged little supercomputers in your pocket and they’re expensive as fuck.
Nobody upgrades their laptop or PC every year. Hell, the most important components like CPU, GPU, and RAM don’t even get new releases every year.
Phones are damn near as powerful today. Nobody but someone that is already pushing the most powerful flagships to the limit can or will take advantage of the incremental updates.
I’m 85% sure I’m going to get the 15. I’m upgrading from my XR so hopefully it’ll be pretty major for me.
Agree 3-4 cycle makes it feel amazing.
XR to 15 is more like 5 cycles, so I think this upgrade is going to be a huge improvement for you. I upgraded from it after a mere two (though to the 12 Pro and not the 12) and the difference was very noticeable, especially in the display and camera, but also just in how much smoother and snappier everything got.
Also on an XR and just bought a 15 Pro.
The XR is still snappy. The battery only is at 80% of its original life, but otherwise it’s fine.
I’m very excited for the USB-C and wifi 6E. The rest I don’t care about, but I imagine I will be impressed by the speed when I get it.
I’m at 85% battery
I’m mostly excited about better battery, usb-c, and 5g cellular. Mag charging is interesting but I already have qi chargers all over the place.
Because we had massive jumps from like 1999-2008. Bring those back.
What would you add to a flagship smart phone that hasn’t already been done and is actually possible with the technology available?
The solution here is to vote with your wallet and not pay $1000+ for the latest flagship if you can buy a $300 phone from a couple years ago that’s pretty much the same thing.
I’d add a personal assistant that lives up to the promise. It can make reservations for you, find out when your friends are available, navigate phone trees, etc.
Find out when your friends are available might be kind of creepy. Unsavoury people knowing that you’re away for a week and that your house is empty sounds like a dream for criminals, I also wouldn’t want people phoning me saying “I can see you’re free tonight, let’s do something” or a boss saying, “I can see you’re available for overtime this weekend, that’s good!”. It would also depend on people making their schedules available to the cloud and to make them accurate.
The make reservations thing could be interesting as could the phone tree navigating, but I wouldn’t put these ideas on the same scale as capacitive touchscreens, hd screens, front cameras, fast charging, wireless charging, amoled displays, 3/4/5G, bezeless phones, folding screens etc. Do you see what I’m saying?
Because cellphones were just emerging then. The technology was rapidly changing all the time
And when you look back, a ton of the innovations were trying to solve a part of the problem that modern smartphones have solved and then some.
When texting took off, companies tried to innovate better ways than T9 to do that. So you ended up with variations of full keyboards. Slide out, on the face, swivel, etc.
Flip phones and other slide outs tried to maximize screen space before touchscreens were around or good. When the screen is only useable as a screen you have to get creative to still have a keyboard.
When cameras first got out into phones they sucked. So companies put a ton of effort into innovating that. Hell cameras are still one of the main focuses on innovation. It’s just that there are diminishing returns with what you can package in a phone. So it takes a lot more work to get a small improvement.
Beyond that, most of the innovation is under the hood and less noticeable. Improving the chip architecture to be more powerful and more efficient. On device encryption for security. Lidar scanning for 3d modeling. Better integration with the ecosystems.
Beyond those you still have innovations like the foldable, which right now still kinda suck. Just like phones did when they started trying to innovate. Foldables will lead to crazier innovation down the line with the added space. Right now they’re still just trying to get the folding screen decent.
Once a technology matures, you stop seeing massive jumps and innovation becomes evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Another 10-15 years and you may see phones slow down to laptop pace, where a new model is only released every few years and then the jump between generations is bigger by comparison because you’ll have three years of work into it rather than one.
I honestly don’t understand. I’m on my 11 pro at 86% battery. Might just use it for many more years after a battery swap, why would I want to change every year? I love the sharper edges of the new ones, and now also the dynamic island and USB C, but I’m not going waste money when my current phone still can do anything as fast as the day I purchased it.
I upgraded from 11 to 14 pro and was pretty underwhelmed. It was kinda worth it for the camera but besides that, it’s the exact same phone.
So stop releasing “new” phones every year.
This year’s new phones are for people that last bought a phone in 2020 or earlier. If the average user is on a three year upgrade cycle (what the data shows as I recall) then you’d expect roughly 1/3 of people to upgrade every year.
This is better for Apple, as it keeps their revenue more spread out instead of heavily concentrated in year one of a three year cycle.
This is better for consumers, as it means new features and upgrades are constantly being made. If they want to upgrade early they can, and they’ll get new features even if it’s only been two years.
This is also better for both Apple and consumers because there’s more opportunities to course-correct or respond to feedback over issues. If Apple only released a phone every other or every three years, it’d take that much longer for the switch to USB-C.Just because a new product is launched does not mean you need to buy it. Nvidia released a new GPU last year, but I didn’t buy it even though it’s newer than what I currently have. Arguing that new phones shouldn’t come out each year is like arguing that new cars shouldn’t come out each year. It makes no sense.
Yup. I’ve got a base 12. Jumping to a 15 pro max will be a pretty huge upgrade for me. Almost double the battery life, pretty much all the cameras will be massively better, I’ll get the third telephoto lens, the chip is massively faster than the one I have, usb-c, the dynamic island, the action button. A ton will be a jump for me.
For someone with a 14 pro max, there’s no real reason to. Nor is it really intended for them. Now, Apple sure as shit isn’t going to come out and say “no don’t buy our product”, because that would be stupid. But they make it easy to keep a phone for longer with the support for those of us that want to do that. Most companies will maybe give 3 OS and 3 years of security updates. Apple does 5-6 years for OS and still randomly patch old phones like the iPhone 5s with security updates.
I’m planning to upgrade from a 12 mini, which partly influenced my choice of years too (having seen 3 year data was the main part!). If I had a 12 Pro I think I’d have kept it for an extra year, but the battery is just not sufficient for how my phone use has changed.
I think furthering your extra details here too is I saw someone point out that one of Apple’s slides for the base 15 was comparing its performance to the base 12. Apple knows how often people upgrade. Picking the 12 as a comparison point wouldn’t be an accident — we’re the single largest target audience for the 15. And in a year, they will in all likelihood compare the 16 to the 13 for the same reason.
Fully agree. It’s like people have no impulse control, and feel like they need to have the shiny new gadget, then cry when it’s not radically different from last year’s model. I’m still on my 11 pro, was holding off for the arrival of USB C, but it’s still working perfectly, so I might just upgrade in 1-2 years.
I fall squarely into that 3-year cycle. My old iPhone 12 Pro, which is—as others would very plainly say—still pretty capable, is liable to go to my mother. My husband’s will go to one of the nieces or nephews.
For me, this “slap in the face” upgrade is shaping up to be a pretty substantial upgrade. And, I’m good with spending my money on that.
Im going from a 11 to a 15 pro. Good jump for me
I’m in the same boat. Will be replacing my 12 Pro, which will go to my wife, hers to my kid. We get about 10 years out of each phone, by using them like this. The improvements I get for upgrading only after three years are very significant!
Stop buying $1000+ flagships if they’re not worth it. No company is going to stop producing anything that people are willing to pay for.
Person with iPhone 11 can still upgrade. Not everyone buys phone on same cycle. So they have to release it. But you don’t have to buy it.
And most people are not buying new phones every cycle these days. Unless there really is a major experience change - which is rare now that the product is mature.
That doesn’t solve anything though. There are improvements every year, just not enough to upgrade every single year.
And there are always people that do keep their device for several years upgrading in any given year.
Shit, even my 5-6 year old S9 was pretty decent at the end, and fairly similar to my new phone. I only upgraded because the network chip was getting wonky, which made me a bit uneasy about getting stranded somewhere.
I can’t wait for the EU regs about removable batteries to kick in. Now, if only we could finally move to a display technology that doesn’t suffer from burn-in…
I’m still on an S10. Battery life sucks and the screen has been cracked for years, but she still works just fine. No motivation at all to spend $1k on an ‘upgrade’
I’d be more interested in legislation forcing them to release at least security updates for a decade. My phone is 6 years old, works absolutely fine (even the battery), but it hasn’t received any security parches for a couple of years, meaning it’s insecure and I have to replace it even though it works great. Complete buffoonery.
Edit: I mean more than the screen thing, not the battery thing.
I was even pissed when my S5 got outdated. There was NOTHING wrong with it
That’s the last Flagship I have ever bought. It’s been Motorolas ever since. Stupid cheap and perfect
Well, Motorola isn’t known for providing updates very long either…
That isnt an issue
I’m not even a fan and I’m disappointed.
You call that competition?
If they added a 3.5 headphone jack, that would be earth-shattering
🙄, Android phones have moved the same direction.
It’s time to move on guys. They are gone and IMO fuck cords especially ones I couldn’t keep in my ears because I kept getting them yanked out.
🙄 yourself. Adding a 3.5 jack doesn’t stop anyone from using Bluetooth, and only adds functionality. Being able to get a cheap pair of headphones that actually sound decent and don’t run out of batteries is pretty nice
Bluetooth earbuds all suffer from the same problem: latency. Let me know when I can reliably get zero latency then I’ll switch to wireless.
I use my phone to play rhythm games where 5 ms matters.
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Latency on the YouTube app, not real-time audio. Even if they have low latency, it would cost >$100 while a wired IEM with similar sound quality and a working mic costs only $20.
It’s just a phone. Here’s an idea: You don’t have to rush out to pathologically buy the latest thing that Apple makes. You and Apple don’t owe each other shit. If your old phone works, stick with it. And if the new iPhone doesn’t do it for you, just fuckin’ buy something else.
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The action they’re talking about is the action button… nothing to do with the usb port lol
This article isn’t even relevant to anything. It’s just quotes from like… 5 people who posted on twitter that they were disappointed. That’s not a useful sample size, and who cares about some strangers opinion on something that isn’t for them? It’s just weird how many of these articles are coming out saying “these users” think this.
In reality, it’s more like “these cherry picked tweets match my narrative for this click bait article that will spur divisive discussion”.
And they will still line up to buy it.
Exactly. If you buy it then it’s pretty much confirmation you agree with them
Theyll still buy one.
What fans. It does this every year. Unfortunately innovation has stagnated. Now it’s just money for exceds
Phones are maturing. Are they upset when the new Toyota Camry is only modestly different than last years?
You know, it’s funny. I’ve never in my life met a Toyota Camry fanboy who was willing to fight me to the death, or at least bitterly argue with me incessantly in the comments, over their allegedly superior choice to buy a Camry or my allegedly inferior choice not to. Damn strange.
You haven’t been to car forums
Oh, I have. But I hang around the ones that are specific to some brand or car that I already have, so everyone is on the same page. Probably safer that way…
I have a 14 Pro, and the changes in the 15 Pro are tempting to me.
I want USB-C, I want the lighter titanium, I want the rounded edges, I want the new camera effects, I want to try the new case options, etc.
Anyone coming from an older phone would find a LOT to look forward to in the iPhone 15 or 15 Pro.
It sounds like your life is pretty sweet in order to be underwhelmed by a magic $800-$1000 device.
You’d drop a $1000 for usb-c, round edges, new camera software and case options?
Are you rich?
I’m not saying that it’s a bad phone, but presumably your current phone works just fine, which means you think those features are worth $250 each. I personally think I could use that money for better things elsewhere.
You do know that Apple gives pretty damn solid trade ins right?
If you have a 14 pro and want to upgrade to a 15 pro, you get $570 for your 14 if it’s in good shape. So a 15 pro is only $429.
If you really enjoy having the latest and greatest, it’s not that hard to put away $35 a month towards upgrading.
The trade in value is a great point but it still ends up with four new features costing you over $100 each.
Each to their own, I’m sure that some gadget and tech lovers would absolutely be willing to pay that to have the latest and greatest, but I’d argue that the average person would probably rather have the $429.
The average person isn’t buying their phone outright either. They’re getting an upgrade from their cell carrier, and most of them do “free phone on us” as long as you stay under contract for 2 years.
T-Mobile for example (just who I’m with) will give you a $1000 credit towards a 15 pro if you trade in an “eligible device” over 24 months.
Relatively few people are just outright dropping $1000 on a phone.
hOw Is ThAt PoSsIbLe???
All the YouTubers invited at Apple’s are saying this is an incredible and revolutionary phone. How can it be otherwise ?
Eh pretty much all of the reputable YouTubers have said it’s not a huge upgrade, but the new features are very nice to have.
I don’t think I’ve heard anyone say it’s incredible or revolutionary. You’ve gotten the click baiters that say it’s the biggest upgrade ever, but that’s about it.
Randos on Twitter left negative comments with little to no substantive feedback. Fire up the article!
What’s funny is this is the biggest update in years. The action button and USB C by themselves are a much bigger difference than last year was. Base models also got dynamic island. Smaller bezels, rounded edges, new colors. I dk how much more could change visually besides those things anyway?
The pros also have 3nm, armv9, wifi 6e, thread connectivity, new cellular bands, ai 5g modem, ray tracing, more ram, Qi2, 10 gbps port, increased repairability, titanium. 5x zoom on the Pro Max.
I think the problem that people are picking up on is that the base model is turning into a budget version of the previous year’s pro model. If you want newer tech you are forced to pay over $1,000 now. Before they had the same internals as the pros.
correct me if I’m wrong, but literally the first 3nm computing devices to land in consumer’s greedy paws. 12-atom wide transistors. what a SLAP IN THE FACE
3nm does not refer to the size. It refers to performance
3nm refers to the smallest possible feature size - the transistor would be bigger than this.
It can correlate with performance, but it is not performance.
there is no 3nm feature on a 3nm transistor, that’s wrong too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_nm_process the gate pitch is 48nm, metal pitch is 24nm
lol what
3nm is the name for node that is better than 5nm which is better than 7nm, which is better than 10nm, etc. and you can only compare it to the previous node by the same manufacturer
they literally just multiply by 0.7 and round down, so after 3nm it’s 2nm, after 2nm it’s 14A - no matter what the physical size is
it’s the name for size of the planar transistor pitch that would be required to match it, NOT the actual size of ANYTHING in the transistor and hasn’t been since finfet transistors were introduced
WHERE ARE MY 11-ATOM TRANSISTORS?? HOW CAN YOU SLAP?!!
How is USB C a big deal?
Because Apple were slow to implement the standard
I think “reluctant” is the word
Because people lost their shit when the iPhone moved from the 30 pin to the lightning.
Apple significantly helped develop USB-C. They were always going to move to it eventually, and have been staying with the Mac and the iPads.
People buy a LOT more accessories for iPhones though that a port change obsoletes. You see videos now about how many of your accessories you’re going to have to rebuy or buy an adapter for.
It’s not a minor change at all. They said 10 years for lightning when they introduced it, and went exactly 10 years.
I’m so happy iPhone is now USB C. My partner and I have had their mother on road trips with us so we’ve had to have a mix of USB C and lightning cords. It’ll be nice to not have to look at the end of the cable to see which Belkin white cable it is
I wish that USB-C would have been just like a bigger lightning port to handle usb 3 and higher. I like the form factor of lightning better than C.
It’s a more robust connector having the pins protected in the port than having a weak little piece sticking out in the middle. I’ve had a few USB-C ports break on me on the device because they cheaped out. My galaxy S9, my Pixel 4, and my pixel buds all had the port on the phone get wonky and wouldn’t charge from any cable.
It’s not that USB C is amazing, but that it is a big change for iphones. Especially compared to the past couple of years where they changed even less.
