We set up a bridge between the Lemmy.world General Matrix room and the Public-1 channel on the Lemmy World discord server yesterday. It’s not perfect as emoji reactions aren’t visible and some minor things like how it handles edited messages but other than that it seems to be working well.
Now people on both chat clients can interact with eachother!
What is this for someone who has no idea?
Thinking of it as two different rooms in a party being connected so they can all be involved in the same conversation.
Two different, incompatible chat services exist - Discord and Matrix. This allows users of either service to post to a channel that has been connected on each side and messages are basically cross posted between the two, allowing users on each service to almost chat like they are all on the same channel despite being on two different chat services.
Thanks! That’s nifty!
Looks like a bot that sends messages between through chat platforms
Discord should be abandoned as it’s not in the fediverse and especially because it’s not open source. This platform should never be used a an official place for one’s own platform.
Bullshit. You should use the platform where most of your users are. And the users are on discord and do not give a single shit about open source.
This is the truth. Do people not have friends that mainly use mainstream services or are people just elitist about open source? This just sucks, because this kind of toxicity really drives normal users away from open source when more people should be driven to it.
For us it’s about a community where we take care of our users and provide a environment to foster interesting and respectful conversation. Software is just a means to a end.
We are not a bastion of Open Source software. We use it yes, support it yes. There are plenty of things we use FOSS for but we have zero obligations to lock us down to only use FOSS. We use what is convenient and try to listen to the needs of our users.
There is lemmy.world, there is mastodon.world, there is a matrix space and synapse server. Then there is calckey.world a firefish server and I probably forget a few other things that are hosted by @[email protected].
And then yes, there is a discord server.
I think @[email protected] and our infra team do PLENTY for the foss community by hosting all of these services, making them available and filing bug reports. They are even in touch with a lot of developers on different foss projects.
Don’t forget your manpower is limited. No one is a lemmy.world employee and people need sleep. That leaves 8 hours in a day for literally everything else a person needs/wants to do. Having one service that just works is a load off an all volunteer team’s back.
We have people working for Lemmy World around the clock. Most of those services do not require a lot of maintenance once they are set up and configured. Lemmy itself is the biggest PITA but that’s why we have a big team. So besides that we try to listen to the community and what they want and if it’s possible we will do our best to make it happen. And as I said in my other reply, we will choose what is convenient over what is FOSS.
When you’re constantly getting attacked and having issues, sometimes you need to do stuff you don’t want to do, just to be able to get stuff done.
In a perfect world I think devs wouldn’t want to use Discord, but it’s one of the only options that won’t be constantly taking down with attacks.
What has Discord anything to do with any attacks, or preventing any of them?
How are they supposed to make announcements if the site is down?.. That was the whole point when there were so many attacks/site outtages.
There is this thing called “a status web page”. Here, check the one for Lemmy.world: https://lemmy-world.statuspage.io/
If lemmy is being attacked, mods need a platform to coordinate.
Discord has DDOS protection through their hoster, which was the primary means of attacks on lemmy.
Did the Matrix servers get attacked?
I can’t answer that, but my rebuttal would be these are targeted attacks, I don’t doubt they would attack matrix if lemmy was using it to coordinate.
Plus Matrix is something that is still new to people and some users are more comfortable with Discord. Many users are still adjusting to the concept of Lemmy and how federation works. Fortunately this bridge will help the two groups connect to each other and maybe in the future we can move to only using Matrix.
Good points and appreciate the perspective!
This is really cool!
Yeah, it’s super neat letting everyone talk with everyone. Reminds me of the old IRC days! ❤️
bitlbee & Janus!
They do something like that for Jellyfin as well. Very cool thing to do!
What are recommended apps for Matrix on Android?
I’m considering using it, but I don’t know much about Matrix clients.
There’s:
- Element https://element.io/
- FluffyChat https://fluffychat.im/
- Cinny https://cinny.in/
- Beeper https://www.beeper.com/
For now I stick with Element. It’s just seems to be the most feature-rich of them.
I use the chat that is available in Thunderbird, my email client. It can connect to various types of chat (I dont remember them all) like Matrix.
Since it’s been mentioned here but nobody’s said anything else about it yet, Beeper is nice because it connects a bunch of different apps and everything syncs instantly between PC and mobile. I personally use it for Matrix, a couple of Discord servers, Messenger (for those friends who won’t leave) and SMS.
Can you view all channels in a Discord server, just like you’re using Discord?
Only text channels I believe. There’s a sidebar sort of like the one in the actual Discord app that shows your inbox, SMS, Messenger, etc. Discord servers show up in there, then when you select one it shows you the list of channels as though they’re regular conversations. You can set whether or not they show up in your inbox and/or notify you individually for each channel, and the ones you don’t want you just set to low priority and they’ll be hidden. It’s not a perfect replacement, but if you don’t need voice/streaming it works fine.
Official client list https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/
i like cinny because it’s the most discord like
I’ve personally been using Element and love it. I have a private matrix server for my family to use. Some of the members of the family have also loved FluffyChat.
Could the bridge be used by bots that work with Discord but not with Matrix? 🤔Bc there’s quite a few of those, and me as a Matrix user can’t have anything
Probably not this bridge. However, if you’re comfortable setting up your own Matrix server, you can run a Matrix/Discord bridge that’s essentially a self bot, and that does support interacting with most bots. After that, you can join the normal Discord and use your normal Matrix app to interact with the Discord server.
I don’t think it’ll work if you want to add a Discord bot to an existing Matrix chatroom, unless you make everyone bridge their Matrix accounts through your bridge.
Just don’t try to do ANY friend management (adding friends is what triggers Discord’s bot detection the most and will get you banned).
Eh I just want a bot that will notify me of new posts and reports on Matrix
If the Discord channel already posts the text, that text should get forwarded to Matrix as a normal message. You can set notifications in particular channels (or even for particular keywords) to noisy and that should let you get notifications. The LW Discord bridge should definitely be sufficient for that.
Yea but I guess that’s something the lw/bridge admins would have to set up with the bot makers, wouldn’t they
Nope not directly doable. As the messages are webhooks and most bots ignore those
I’d just want to be passively notified, not looking to control the bot
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Hop on discord/matrix. We chillin tonight.
It seem idea of fedderating has spread even beyong feerated network. It’s good thing. Sort of antimonopolisti.
this might be a good place for me to reach out into the void
i’m interested in migrating two of my servers over to a matrix server, but i also want to back-copy all the old messages to the matrix client.
does a matrix bridge do all this copying? i.e, if i was to setup a discord-matrix bridge, allow messages to sync, and then disconnect the bridge, does the matrix server then have a copy of all the old messages? it doesn’t have to match to the old users or anything, i’m just interested in having the content migrate over.
this is currently the biggest hurdle for me, because one of my servers is a private family discord, and i really don’t want to have to explain to my mum that “all the content of the last 4 years is gone” 😅
