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Textual words from them:
It’s our first step towards a more modern, more beautiful, and more customizable Thunderbird experience. We think you’re going to love it, and we are endlessly grateful for all of your support throughout the years 💙
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I may try Thunderbird again. Only thing I do not like about the screenshots is the far left toolbar, but I will still check it out.
I just tried it out. Good that it allows you to collapse it.
Outlook is trying to force that on users as well…it’s really a waste of screen real estate for those of us who never use that toolbar.
The thin one that navigates between calendar, contacts, etc? That’s always been there in thunderbird.
I guess I must have always had it collapsed. In the new Outlook, they removed the option to remove or collapse it.
Thankfully you can hide it. The new UI is pretty customizable.
That definitely looks different. I assume they still haven’t put the system tray functionality back?
@DarkThoughts @kr0n
they did !
Looks nice. I’m not an email power user but I still use Thunderbird just to handle multiple accounts. I’m grateful to this software for simplifying my life a bit.
I recently went back to using Thunderbird after not doing so for, I don’t know, maybe a decade. Having everything in one place is very convenient indeed.
Oh no! It looks like an electron app.
Is it one though? I’m having a difficult time finding the source code of this new version.
No
Can anyone confirm whether or not it’s built on Electron?
The closest I can find is from Feb 2023, saying that at that time it would not be Electron:
Mozilla also still plans to use the Firefox web browser as the core platform for Thunderbird. That leaves Thunderbird as one of the few cross-platform mail applications that isn’t an Electron app or based on web technologies in some way
So possibly Electron-like but based on Firefox rather than Chromium?
Electron apps bundle chromium…. It would be ridiculous for Mozilla to bundle their competitions web browser to make Thunderbird lol.
It’s based on the “Mozilla application framework” [0]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_application_framework
From what I’ve read, it is not, but it basically contains Firefox to do the rendering.
@FistfulOfStars @kr0n @TheWoozy
It’s not an electron app, I installed it.
I used Thunderbird about 10 years ago? Looks amazing compared to what I remember.
I used Thubderbird about 10 minutes ago and this indeed looks amazing compared to what I remember.Edit; how to downgrade to the version? why still no conversation view? 😭
Great. Downgrading deleted my profile. Thanks a lot for the constant “innovation”,gonna take me hours to set thst shit up again.
Edit 2; no matter how frustrated you are with thunderbird, DO NOT INSTALL OUTLOOK
just copy over your profile backup that you certainly created beforehand
You’re a moron lol
If you downgrade, expect glitches with your too new profile. Obviously it’s not going to be backwards-compatible.
It looked almost the same as the last time tou used it just before this version. Which means this is an absolutely huge step forward for the UI
I was gonna say, I tried it a couple months ago and I’m pretty sure it hadn’t been changed since when I was using it in like 2012. I thought a theme might help so I checked out the available themes, and the “popular” ones were ones that felt like they were from back then too. Everyone remembers Firefox / Thunderbird themes from back then: frosted glass, photos of space, flames, lots of gradients, themes that look like wood for some reason, that gross red text on black-white gradient background. It was like the entire app was aesthetically trapped in the early 2010s, even the community’s themes.
The new website is also pretty epic: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/ (bit messed up on mobile)
Unfortunately the flathub version doesn’t seem to be updated.
Yeah, the downloads section is not looking good (on Safari at least)
And here i though “pretty epic” seems rather weird to me. I’ll have to check on desktop later.
It works on Chromium browsers. It does not work on Firefox.
Interesting to see even Mozilla apparently testing their websites only on Chromium.
It works on Firefox mobile
Works for me too now. Seems like they fixed it.
I’ve used thunderbird pretty much from the start, for the last 20 years or so. The UI was looking a bit dated, lately, so I’m really looking forward to this. The next thing we need is better performance (I may suffer more than most as I have literally hundreds of thousands of messages and dozens of folders on the imap server). Fingers crossed!
Hopefully after this they focus on the IOS app! Would love to consolidate so many different chat, email, and rss readers into one app!
That looks awesome!
Is there now conversation view without having to use an extension?
no, and the old plugin is not supported.
Oh, that really sucks…
Getting a native conversation view should be a focus for them!
Yes, this and the insane privileges that the extensions require, no idea how they set their priorities.
Are there any plans for tray icon and desktop notification support? Those features are the only reason I would run a desktop email client, without them I’ll just use a browser. I know Birdtray exists but I can’t get it to work with flatpak Thunderbird.
The desktop notifications are built in now. As for tray, I’m trying out systray-x.
There may be solutions for your issue. https://github.com/gyunaev/birdtray/issues/514
Maybe try birdtray flatpak or using the special launch argument as described in the link from the comment.
Can it connect to Exchange without a paid plugin?
uhhh… paid plugin? just use IMAP
My work has IMAP shut off and we can only use MAPI. There’s a paid thunderbird plugin that adds MAPI support, which is likely what this person is hoping for natively 👍
Ahhhh fair enough, I didn’t realize MAPI was a paid plugin, that suuuuucks
EDIT: Reading up on this, it sounds like it doesn’t work because Microsoft doesn’t want it to work. MAPI is not an open standard like POP and IMAP. And they’re actually in the process of moving to EWS, which is also not an open standard. That fucking sucks!
Other email clients support Exchange/365, such as Spark. And also there’s the fact there is the built in Windows Mail which supports it (of course) which Thunderbird has to compete with. And once it’s updated to “Outlook” it’ll stop looking tragic too.
So Thunderbird really should offer it to compete. Lots of people have Hotmail after all and would like full integration.
Doesn’t seem like Spark offers anything other than IMAP+SMTP Exchange support, just like Thunderbird: https://sparkmailapp.com/add-exchange-mac
So if your job blocks those protocols (for security reasons) then you can’t use Spark for your work email.
Anybody know what the paid plug-in for Thunderbird is? I’m curious to see what they’re doing, if they have some sort of hacky workaround.
All I know is that I’m in the same situation and the gmail mobile app works, so there’s something you can do.
Yeah that’s generally the goal of disabling IMAP, it just means your company is forcing you to use the official Gmail or Outlook app. It makes some sense, as if you look for email apps on the app store, you’ll see a ridiculous amount of random crap with no guarantee that they’re not spying on every email you send and receive.
I’ve been using DavMail, which is FOSS. It works as a local proxy to translate IMAP to Exchange API.
Does anyone know if they’ve fixed performance? Thunderbird feels really slow to navigate and fetch messages.
I’ve tried Thunderbird and wasn’t convinced… My work life is basically email, and I’ve tried several email apps over the years, a lot more than most people. I’ve found Postbox on desktop and Spark on mobile to be the magic pair for me so far. Unless Postbox fails me, I don’t think I’ll bother trying anything else anytime soon… Though I’m open to suggestions for mobile, since there’s room for improvement with Spark.
This looks great. Would be awesome if i could host this in a docmer container so i dont need to manage installs on clients.
I think it might be time for an intervention, thats some serious Docker addiction lol.
Oh ya im addicted for sure
That’s what Ansible is for. Stuffing a gui app in a container still leaves you with the job of actually having to deploy it, anyway.
Good idea, ill look into that. Been meaning to learn ansible for some time now anyways.
