• @CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
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    542 years ago

    I’d love to see the moral scolds on the right pipe up about how scandalous this all is, right after Lauren “handy” Qbert was caught on video…

  • @JoJoGAH@lemmy.world
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    This will be helpful in so many ways, humility and work ethic will be encouraged by not inflating ego with suits. If a suit is your style, great and fine, have at! If you are wearing it to feel important and you are working with others who are dressed differently, you are reminded that the job is at hand and not ego.

  • Semi-Hemi-Demigod
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    112 years ago

    I’ll have you know a shorts and hoodie is appropriate wear pretty much anywhere in PA for any event, so Fetterman should be allowed to rock his Pennsylvania tuxedo

  • @TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
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    Dress codes are designed to keep the “wrong people” out. Show up to a DC event and they’ll know you don’t belong by the cut of your suit.

    • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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      22 years ago

      Dress codes are designed to keep the “wrong people” out. Show up to a DC event and they’ll know you don’t belong by the cut of your suit.

      Or at least, that’s the excuse they’ll use since they can’t forbid entry due to the factors they want to use anymore.

      • @TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
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        No that’s literally the purpose of all dress codes. If you don’t fit in you get kicked out, and the most restrictive clubs require clothing that is extremely expensive.

    • @CoderKat@lemm.ee
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      12 years ago

      Not just to literally recognize people who don’t belong or to act as a financial barrier. Some of these dress codes I think are there to give a feeling of who belongs. They want people to feel stuff like, “wow, these people are so dressed up and I am never dressed up, so they must be above me”.

      Traditionally, politics has been a thing for the upper class and intertia on such things doesn’t make it easy for them to change. Dress codes in politics is just another way to make the idea of being a politician feel like something only for the upper class. Low and middle class people aren’t supposed to feel like they can be politicians. Politicians aren’t supposed to be too relatable. Even when trying to be relatable, they still often act like they are better than you.

    • @zedhank@lemmy.ml
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      12 years ago

      Well yeah, those are for superheroes only. If you don’t have a suit you’re not a superhero.

  • @Rowsdower@lemmy.ca
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    112 years ago

    How was the dress code not struck down under the first amendment? Clothing can be speech and the state generally cannot enforce what people wear in public spaces

    • @GamingChairModel@lemmy.world
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      152 years ago
      • Courts generally don’t have jurisdiction to rule on internal House and Senate rules, so it would never come up for a real ruling from a court.
      • Arguably, the Constitution grants the House and Senate power to make their own internal rules, and expel/censure their own members, in a way that makes it so that the negative prohibitions in the Constitution (like the First Amendment) don’t really apply to internal rules in the legislative branch.
      • Government may regulate certain types of behavior, even if that behavior sometimes can be expressive speech, especially in regulating the time, place, or manner of that speech.
      • Government can sometimes regulate workplace conduct in government workplaces, without the full protection of the First Amendment. For example, plenty of governmental bodies prohibit political speech in the workplace, or the use of official platforms for private/political speech by an employee, or employees wearing their official uniforms outside of work to imply an official endorsement of a particular candidate.
      • @nxdefiant@startrek.website
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        12 years ago

        We need to add Rule Zero to the constitution: All rules will be submissive to the rules that preceded them, excepting amendments abolishing them.

        Bam, free speech is now in effect under all contexts. Also, you can carry a gun on the senate floor and in the oval office. That would probably get a gun amendment passed real fast

        • Bam, free speech is now in effect under all contexts

          I hope you realize that the First Amendment to the Constitution was ratified 3 years after the part of the Constitution that I’m describing, which is in Article I, before the amendments.

        • @CoderKat@lemm.ee
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          12 years ago

          Eh, I don’t think chronological order is the right order for this. That makes historically older rules have priority over newer ones even if they’re outdated. The second amendment is the obvious example of amendments being outdated. Even if you are all for gun rights, I don’t think you can argue that the amendment was written with modern weaponry in mind (and indeed, nobody argues that the average person should be allowed to own a fully functional tank).

          And coming up with a better priority list would be impossible in the current political hurricane, as nobody would agree on the ordering.

  • @SCB@lemmy.world
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    382 years ago

    I hope this goes to the House too so I can finally see Boebert in her wal mart pajama pants

  • @some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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    Literally saw this as I’m preparing to go get printed for a background check for my first gov job. I’ve been debating how dressed-down I wanna be since this isn’t an actual “work” thing. This just persuaded me to ditch the polo shirt and wear a tshirt. I’ll have plenty of other days when I “need” to wear a colored shirt.

    • @No_Eponym@lemmy.ca
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      So, just a caution. The folks in the area of the department you’re working for may be chill and following the norms of leadership. But bureaucrats are cautious and traditional to a fault. Many still see formal wear from subordinates as a sign of respect for the hierarchy and office, and changes like those from Schumer as a temporary stunt that may or may not stick around. Further, the folks who are printing you are likely law and order types and are even more likely to make judgements based on appearance. Unless you know they are chill, caution may be best. In general, government work is highly context dependent, with lots of unwritten rules and judgements based on perception and relationships. Caution is best if there aren’t written rules to follow.

      • @rckclmbr@lemm.ee
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        A note to programmers: don’t “dress up” for any important business or government meeting. I got yelled at once because I was supposed to “look like a programmer” in a sales meeting but I dressed nice

        • TechyDad
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          In my first job out of college, I dressed up in a suit and tie for my first day. I was (nicely) told not to dress like that again and that the office was much more casual.

          Of course, this was a technology magazine in the mid-90’s so it might have been an exception versus other work places.

        • Cosmic Cleric
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          72 years ago

          Moral of the story, ask your manager how you should dress for that important meeting.

          • @QHC@lemmy.one
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            32 years ago

            Even better, try to work for managers that give proper direction to the people they supervise, rather than expecting people to be mind-readers.

            • Cosmic Cleric
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              12 years ago

              Well, to be fair, unless you work in very specific industries, a manager usually won’t tell you how to dress, but will expect you to know the policy as laid down by HR.

              My point was, on a specific meeting-by-meeting basis, if a meeting has particular business importance to it you might want to check with your direct report as to how you should present yourself overall, and not just how you should dress.

              But yeah, managers that communicate well to their staff is always a good thing, generally speaking.

      • Cosmic Cleric
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        112 years ago

        Unless you know they are chill, caution may be best.

        A good piece of advice for every day in your life, when dealing with others that may have power over you.

      • @RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world
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        looks at my DHS badge with it’s literal just woke up face and memphis devil lady t-shirt

        Huh, that explains a lot of things now.

      • @_bug0ut@lemmy.world
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        52 years ago

        Seriously. I joke that I specifically became a sysadmin because a T-shirt (and occasional polo), jeans, and sneakers or boots is already formal for me.

        … it’s only partially actually a joke.

        • @winky88@startrek.website
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          22 years ago

          When I was a scrub whose daily tasks involved running eternity cables, supporting warehouse machines, etc. I convinced my boss than business casual was a waste of money unless he wanted to buy my work wardrobe. This was back when I was 20ish, so 23 years ago

          • @_bug0ut@lemmy.world
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            For real - who the hell wants to be commando-crawling through a datacenter in slacks and loafers? Total fucking nonsense.

            I went full remote in early 2018, so now you’d have to put a gun to my head to be in anything more than shorts and a wifebeater while I work. I’m popping into the office this Thursday and for a minute, I was afraid I didn’t have any long jeans left for the occasion lmao

      • TechyDad
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        32 years ago

        When I started my current job (over 20 years ago), I dressed in dress pants, a sport jacket, tie, dress shoes, and dress shirt. Over time, I ditched the sport jacket.

        Then COVID hit and I began working from home. Now my work dress is a nice shirt (polo or solid print) and jeans or shorts (depending on the weather). No shoes needed.

        Now, I wouldn’t want to go back to the more formal dress code. Sure, it means that the dozens of cool and geeky ties that I accumulated over the years won’t be used. Still, I’d rather be comfortable and still look professional than be dressy and uncomfortable.

        • @bitsplease@lemmy.ml
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          shoot - that’s still way more dressy than I do for my Work from home lol

          My standard outfit is just a comfy t-shirt (sometimes a tanktop if it’s >100 outside) and either basketball shorts or sweatpants depending on the weather

          • @winky88@startrek.website
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            22 years ago

            Anything more than a polo shirt is too fancy for me. Half the time I just stay in my jammies until I need to go somewhere or take a shower.