Putting people into boxes doesn’t really help anyone.
People are more nuanced than that.
The meme has the conservative saying they’re a conservative though, so they put themselves in the box. There’s not much nuance to that.
This meme wasn’t made by a conservative though. OP put them in the box.
Not really: the meme is mocking people who say they can’t find dates because they are conservative, like these ones (opinion piece but cites sources). So it’s just aimed at people who already “put themselves in boxes”. If they didn’t the whole meme falls apart, since it’s based on a “discrimination” and you have to be aware of what about you is being “discriminated” to complain about it.
Idk if you don’t think LGBTQ+ folks deserve equal rights or think that social programs are “too generous” I’m not really interested in how nuanced the rest of you is.
Not saying that’s your beliefs specifically. Just that enough of us are actively harmed by the results of conservative laws and governance that I’m not really interested in knowing the nuanced part of someone who supports those policies.
Of course everyone deserve equal rights, and yes, the social programs could be infinitely better if we put even more resources towards them.
However, with recent internet restrictions, censorship, and identity politics, we’re also actively being harmed by the left.
That doesn’t mean what the people on the right are doing is any good either, I’m just saying it’s not good to lump everyone into these black and white categories. It creates the weird tribalism we see here.
Ah yes, the radical left rolling out programs like 5 eyes. The radical left that makes it legal for corporations to throw cameras everywhere and deploy facial tracking software. The left who deregulated everything till credit card companies are allowed to determine who can access their money and what you’re allowed to spend it on. That radical left sure does love rolling out censorious police state stuff.
-5 eyes was started in 1946 by democrats
-im not sure what you’re talking about with the cameras, but look at the UK, that surveillance state was started with 5 eyes (the “labour party”)
-if money is the topic, the left wants to create a centralized digital currency to do exactly what you’re talking about with credit cards
-censorious police state “stuff” happened during covid, perpetuated by the left
Remember net neutrality?
I’d like to point out though, that the right doesn’t make great strides either, but I don’t need to give examples of that to people in this thread.
A 2 party system is hot garbage, and it’s about being as divisive as possible to pump up your side.
It’s like a Coke vs Pepsi advertising war
Those parties aren’t left wing…
If Democrats and the Labour party (socialist democrat) aren’t left, then what is?
the Democrats are a primary party in a military cult empire that indoctrinates children with flag rites and coups every government that dares to call itself socialist. I’m guessing you’re part of that military cult and thus don’t understand how insane it seems from the outside.
There are left elements, that sandy man seems to flirt with Democratic socialism, although not very strongly. It doesn’t seem like he has much power though.
Labor in the UK has thoroughly remade itself after Thatcher with the new labour movement which distanced themselves from their unionist and socialist roots. They now don’t have any particularly leftist policies, although they are less right than the Tories obviously.
In Australia labor did a similar thing after the USA couped our only elected socialist government and replaced the labour leader with a CIA groomed dude.
The right is utterly ascendant in global politics and has been since the rise of neoliberal economics under Reagan and Thatcher. That power is beginning to wane, but don’t confuse being left of “we should hunt the homeless for sport” with being a leftist government. Leftism isn’t when shouting slurs gets you tutted at, it’s Democratic businesses and worker owned collectives, nationalised infrastructure, anti imperialism, open boarders, welfare above the poverty line, universal recognition of human dignity etc.
In Australia the most mainstream leftist party would be the greens who hold at most 1 to 3 seats out of 150 regularly. Similarly in the UK I am given to understand. There are more radical parties but they’re even more marginalised.
harmed by the left? internet restrictions??? wtf are you on about?
Depends. I’d say racism is a great box to put people into.
What does being conservative have to do with being racist?
😕 Oh, buddy…
Conservatism by definition is thinking “Things are good right now, let’s not change anything” or even worse: “Things were better before, let’s go back to that”.
The issue is “better for who”? Women, queer people, POC, working class people were NOT ok. Implicitly you can see that conservatism is bigoted by (at a minimum) ignoring or misrepresenting the realities of people they don’t care about. It’s just that lately, more and more conservatives are explicit about it and showing their true colors, but the philosophical underpinnings are the same.
It’s bad to under-represnt issues. But it’s also bad to over-represent issues. The right answer is almost always in the middle.
The stuff you see in the news is carefully selected to show what makes people the most upset, that way it gets the most clicks.
In the past, women were subservient to men, black people were slaves, and being queer wasn’t even allowed. Nowadays, things have improved a huge amount. There are still problems, but nothing like the past.
You are clearly not a victim of these issues and the situation is so alien to you that apparently the only way for you to relate to them is via the news. Violence and prejudice are things that happen to “other people”.
Real people are suffering real oppression every day. Some in a small almost invisible way and others live in permanent fear of violence because of who they are.
That things were worse in the past is no reason to stop progress. And things did get better because people fought for them, often to death.
I hope you are arguing in good faith and have the moral strength to accept you may be blind to some realities and reconsider your beliefs.
Are you joking?
lol only one of the cleanest 1:1 correlations there ever was.
It’s not about nuance. It’s about deal breakers. For some people, a deal breaker might be something like poor hygiene. For other people, it might be voting for or otherwise supporting politicians who belong to a party that’s actively trying to curtail human rights for anybody who isn’t a white cishet man.
That you or anybody else would find the first example acceptable, but not the second, is ridiculous.
Even the hygiene example can be nuanced.
Is it that they don’t trim their toe nails often, but shower daily?
Is it that their nose hairs are long, but their hair on top of their head is well kept?
Where does this black and white line get drawn?
Everyone from different cultures (micro and macro) will have different answers.
We can all be stuffed into boxes for one thing or another. But I don’t think it’s so black and white.
One problem with nuance is that it can be weaponized to pedantry, not that I am accusing you of doing this, but a common tactic I see among conservative talkers is to focus so much on nuance that they intentionally/inadvertently (depending on the person) avoid the topic all-together. It is clear what the person you are replying to is saying, and it is clear that nuance exists. It doesn’t reinforce your point to point out that nuance exists in everything, of course it does.
That said, I warn you to look for occasions where nuance is meant to obscure the core ideas from being discussed.
Their point is that, in a time where a political party is actively banning books, pushing stochastic terrorism, and continues to put forth people who say and do despicable things openly, it is reasonable to reject all people who can’t or won’t stand up to these actions, under the assumption that the rejecter finds these actions despicable.
Or, put a simpler way, using a completely made up example. If I were to require a wheelchair to live, of course I won’t date anyone in the “eliminate wheel chair ramps” party, and it would be silly for you to pretend not to be able to see my perspective in that.
Great response, and I see your point.
I agree that books shouldn’t be banned, but also probably not all books belong in schools, but should still be purchasable (which I believe is the case you’re referring to in Florida)
I don’t agree with the coercion and censorship that took place during covid, which is why I would lean away from being left. That being said, women (and everyone else) should have full autonomy of their bodies, which is why I would lean away from being on the right.
Nuance can also be something that brings us together, because I think most of us do have some common ground somewhere.
I think you missed the point where I said “it’s not about nuance.”
I’m not claiming my examples don’t have nuances, I’m claiming that many (most) people have things on which they won’t compromise. Standards, if you will. Those standards may have nuance, but they remain uncompromising.
To use your examples, if “not trimming their toenails enough” is a deal breaker for someone, then the nuance of “but they shower ever day” doesn’t matter.
Because it’s not about nuance. It’s about deal breakers.
Fair enough, it’s not an issue if you think blanket statements are good enough to be deal breakers.
I just hope that kind of black and white way of thinking doesn’t lead to any resentment, and leaves room for individualism.
Women won’t date me because I’m ugly :(
Everyone’s talking about politics but I’m just wondering why the meme is crooked. Did they forget to use a spirit level?
The last conservative I matched with was immediately bragging about being unvaccinated, was in his late 30’s, openly religious, desperate for kids.
If you’re openly conservative, you’re baring your soul about women’s rights, and if women don’t want to sleep with you as a result, you made your damn bed.
…that you’ll be sleeping alone in, lol.
Exactly
Some women dig that. Not every woman believes the same things you do. There’s even a thing called the quiver full movement where people like the duggars deliberately have as many children as possible to outnumber people like you.
Most women (and men) believe the things their parents teach them.
The thing with conservatives is they want to 1) prevent any other information flowing to these women, religious indoctrination only 2) get these women pregnant young so that they don’t have a chance to gain independence
So yeah in those cases you have grown women who believe these things. The Duggars are an example of the ‘quiver full’ movement in action. Letting their son abuse their daughters young so that they get used to it and defend it as normal.
You seem to have confused Conservative politics with Fundamentalist Christianity. They are separate ideals but hard to find separately currently. Somebody can be a fiscal conservative and not buy into the social fundamental conservative position.
Check again, conservatives are no longer fiscally conservative and have not been for several decades. That facade has entirely fallen away to reveal the real:
- fundamentalist christians
- racists
- filthy rich people who want tax cuts for the rich (do not confuse this with being fiscally conservative)
What do you think fiscally conservative means?
it should result in reducing the deficit - which republicans don’t and democrats do.
all the GOP does is cut the taxes of rich and raise the taxes of the middle class, while running up the deficit overall.
That is exactly what fiscally conservative means. That’s 100% what I expect when a politician has conservative economic views. Conservatives value keeping the status quo, and the status quo is capitalism, with the rich getting richer.
They are fiscally conservative… but only for any government programs that aren’t tax cuts for the rich.
Being conservative ≠ liking the GOP
Being conservative = tangentially supporting GOP policies
Not every GOP policy is bad. Do you think stuff like freedom of speech is a bad thing?
Your meds, take them
This be libertarian. Me no bother you. You no take my money/freedom/et al.
Democrats and republicans are all corporate national socialists who want to take all your shit and trick you into liking it.
That has nothing to do with conservatism. Just because some people who are conservative said that, doesn’t mean that that’s a part of it. Please attack specific ideas, not groups of people.
Conservatism is a set of ideas
My parents used to fearmonger the everliving shit about LGBTQ+ and abortion, and as a small kid I ate that shit up. But then at some point, my brain probably developed some modicum of critical thinking and thought, wait a minute, why in the world does it matter to me what people do with their own lives, if it doesn’t even affect me or anyone else for that matter? Why are my parents, along with every single bigot, incorrectly think that they are entitled to weigh in on someone else’s life decisions?
Every single argument from them boils down to “because religion”, but as someone who was raised Catholic (agnostic now), one of the things that they taught me was quite literally to “love thy neighbour” and to not shit on people only because of their beliefs. So why are the very same people who taught me that now doing the opposite of what they preach, trying (and fortunately failing) to shit on other people just because they don’t have the same beliefs? “My religion says it’s not OK,” well they don’t believe in the same things you do and could not give less of a shit about what you believe, so why not just leave them alone and let them live their life? It was around that point that I realised they were just hypocrites, and absolutely nothing more.
I grew up extremely conservative christian (homeschooled, no tv, women don’t work outside the house) and was taught that anything other than married man and women was evil.
The thing is we were also taught critical thinking and logic albeit it was to compare “new teachings” against the bible. My parents always said since the bible is true [sic] it would stand up to any scrutiny. They thankfully never learned the lesson most christian leaders have that Christianity needs to be mandated for it to be effective. Obviously the bible did not hold up to logic and I’m now a proud atheist and in the process of healing.
Man, that’s worse than what I experienced growing up. Out of curiosity, why did you decide to go with atheism? Personally, I’m agnostic (I think that’s the right term) because I see no compelling evidence or argument for either side, and I am of the opinion that a human’s finite brain could never even come close to figuring out the answer. And no, the Bible isn’t evidence, not one that’s even close to being the slightest bit rigorous at least. To me, it’s as much evidence for Christianity as the Harry Potter books are for wizardry.
The journey went: disappointment with God, angry at God, apathetic, agnostic, then atheist. I considered myself agnostic for a long time but it always felt a bit like a compromise for me, like it’s more palatable to think “Oh, I just don’t know one way or another” over seeing god as a stopgap for holes in knowledge.
Rather than the approach of attributing less and less to the divine over time, I decided to attribute nothing and go from there.
Saying that one can’t disprove god’s existence feels the same to me as saying a watermelon is blue inside until it’s observed.
Thanks for your perspective!
Regarding your last point, we only know that the flesh of a watermelon is indeed red because we’ve seen it before. If, say, an alien would suddenly come to Earth and be presented with a watermelon, they would not know what colour it is without cracking it open or otherwise probing it with various tools (granted of course that they perceive colour like we do)
Attributing nothing to the divine is also the way I go about it. We have scientific explanations for most phenomenon we see on a daily basis, and for those we do not, I do think we will find scientific explanations for them one day. None of the mysteries of the universe that would later be answered have been caused by the supernatural, so I have no reason to think it will be different.
However, I do think that a lack of observable trace of a “divine being” is not necessarily an evidence of nonexistence. To me, my agnosticism is not a form of compromise, but a recognition of the limitations of humans, as well as an acknowledgement relative inconsequence the question of whether a divine being exists or not is to the universe and to my own life. If nothing in my life or in the known universe can be attributed to the divine, why does it matter whether it exists or not? If an extraterrestrial exists in some distant galaxy, surely it would not matter to them whether I exist or not. That’s the way I think of the idea of divine beings.
Anyways, it’s kind of great to be able to ramble about this on the internet, most of the people I know are religious and unfortunately would not be very tolerant of this type of viewpoint.
You’re confusing belief with knowledge.
If you don’t believe in a deity, guess what, you’re an atheist regardless of whether you know for sure a god doesn’t exist or not.
Most atheists are agnostic because it’s not on us to prove that a god doesn’t exist, no one should ever take the burden of proving a negative.
Huh, never thought of it that way, thanks for that. If you’ll excuse me, I have quite a lot of rethinking to do.
That’s not entirely true, most definitions of Agnosticism frame it as a different position from Atheism.
Plus, you don’t have to prove something to believe it, if you’re convinced that there is no god you can define yourself an Atheist, that’s it. Agnostics are just “on the fence” and have no horse in the race.
If there’s women who dig it, that’s their bag, but I’ve absolutely experienced an influx of conservative dudes trying to match with me and I’m openly liberal. Wild that these women exist but the dudes don’t seem as into them.
Because these guys don’t want the full trade off of gender roles the conservatives promote. Many conservative women expect dating with the intent of marriage and at some point having the husband be able to support a household where the wife stays home and takes care of the house and children.
Accidentally deleted but yeah I’ve noticed an influx of conservative men matching with me despite clear indications that I’m liberal. Unfortunately I do know these sorts of women exist, but maybe conservative men should seek them out instead of someone clearly liberal who doesn’t want to make their body a baby factory.
They like the idea of dating a liberal woman so they can control her.
"Hey girl, why don’t you take those shoes off and come into the kitchen?
Oh yeah, you like those historic gender roles don’t you… 😘"
That’s hot.
You know what else is hot? This water for the dishes.
Alternately, because she’s attractive and some guys are idiots. For some guys “looks” overrides everything else.
It’s unreal how many guy will date a flat out manipulative, immature, mean asshole because she’s “hot”. Compared to that a decent human being is a catch, regardless of if they’re fundamentally incompatible.
Lol I’m sure that’s a thing, but for me and most women I know, that’s a red flag.
Well, yeah. I think that’s the whole topic here.
Or maybe because they don’t have such extreme opinions like everyone here seems to think.
I think some of them fetishize the idea of “turning them conservative” with their dick or some shit
You say that kind of like it sounds like a good strategy to you? Sounds like a fucked way to think about society to me
Strategy? No. I’m just saying how it is in reality. Not everybody in real life conforms to the internet’s zeitgeist.
That’s been Catholicism’s playbook since day one. There’s a reason they’re so against any kind of sex that doesn’t lead to procreation.
Course, it also used to be rooted in the fact that medicine was trash for a long time, and a lot of kids died, so you’d want to have as many as you could to give some a shot at living a full life. But that’s not the case anymore, so yeah, the only reasons to have as many kids as possible is as you say, to outnumber the sane people, and to keep the working class populated, so we inch closer and closer to Idiocracy becoming reality every day.
But hey, look at those shareholder’s profits!
Well, that and replacement theory.
They think it’s up to them to keep the skin as white as possible.
I don’t know why. I’m about as pale as you can get, and it is by far the WEAKEST of skin colors. We literally cannot go out in the sun without protection.
Sure, everyone should wear sunscreen, but I can get burnt walking out to the mailbox!
Ah. Sounds like you have fine genes my friend. The best genes.
Have you considered endless breeding?
Not only is it a lot of fun, but you can pass on those great genes you got there.
For real though, I have a red headed daughter and one that should have been a redhead. She got everything but the hair. The freckles, the pale blue eyes. A beam of light comes through the window and she starts smoking. Someone turns on a 100W lightbulb and she blisters. I get what you’re saying.
Treating people differently because of their beliefs? I’m not even that conservative, but you sound like the real bigots.
Choosing not to date someone isn’t really treating someone differently, 7 billion people on this planet you’re not gonna date most of them
I also treat racists differently because of their beliefs, as well as sexists. I guess I’m the real bigot here.
Well, no, that’s perfectly understandable, since those people are impacting other people.
But not everyone who has conservative opinions is a racist and a sexist alt-right weirdo.
Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas
Maybe a small portion, but that just means they’re 100% okay with those as long as the already super rich can be the tiniest bit richer
… do you think that conservative positions don’t impact other people?
My guy, I can rattle off at least half a dozen conservative bugaboos without which I would be quite literally dead. Don’t give me the “Well, it’s just their opinion!” bullshit.
There is no type of politics that doesn’t affect somebody.
Literally dead? That seems like you’re being dramatic, my guy.
Uh, no, pretty much every conservative politician wants to take away my access to healthcare, which would kill me.
I’m a mentally ill cripple with multiple chronic illnesses and severe social anxiety. I’ve been in spots in my life before where government assistance of multiple kinds has been the difference between life and death. Don’t give me the ‘You’re being dramatic’ bullshit unless you’ve vomited blood to the point of near exsanguination, had to ration life-saving medication, had breakdowns on the side of a freeway, shattered a thigh, went quite literally without food for days for lack of means, etc etc etc etc. In all of those cases, government programs have, at least once and often multiple times, been the difference between life and death for me.
Go fuck yourself.
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I’ve personally experienced a universal healthcare system and its effects. It killed a family member and almost killed me.
Sorry for that guy’s experiences, but the sort of things he went through are systems and programmes you’d get in most governments throughout the whole political landscape.
Yeah, I literally could not afford to be alive due to the insanity of the US healthcare system, and multiple chronic diseases which hit me in my 30s and resulted in several ER visits and requirement of very expensive medication. Meanwhile republican politicians pretty much jerk off with glee about taking away my access to healthcare, which would literally kill me. Not sure how “I’m not that conservative! I’m one of the good ones! I just vote for people who want you to die!” folks expect me to feel.
the lack of free healtcare kills many people every year.
Conservatives: “We don’t believe that you should have full control over your body and will happily pass laws to prevent you from exercising that control, including laws that will send you to prison for a life-saving medical procedure.”
Women: “oh fuck. Wow. Uh. Okay, I will not be associating with you.”
You: “WOAHHHHH WOAHHHHHHHH WOW CALM DOWN THERE LITTLE MISS BIGOT HOW ABOUT SOME RESPECT FOR PEOPLE HUH?”
I hope this is a bit.
“Im not that conservative” said every conservative ever when arguing on a left leaning platform
I agree. These bigots are no different than the bigots on the opposite end of the spectrum.
i’m the real bigot because i dont want to shag someone who happily advocates for making it as hard as possible for me to get gender affirming healthcare and openly supports the neoliberal privatisation that’s devastated my country?
yes i very openly discriminate against conservatives, i have no plans for stopping or apologising
My favorite thing is when a conservative finds themselves outside of one their safe-space, echo chambers and are shocked to discover that not only do regular people not agree with them, but they find their views so abhorrent that they actively view all conservatives as complete pieces of shit. And they are not wrong to do so.
You should 100% treat people different depending on their beliefs.
Not wanting to date somebody is not the same as “treating people differently”. You’re arguing in bad faith
If the beliefs in question are like, banning books, oppressing gender identities, removing reproductive rights, oppressing the needy, undermining elections with baseless conspiraciesand selling out to the highest bidders, then yeah, they and their beliefs can suck a fuck.
Right? Whenever someone is confused about my dislike of conservatives, they act like I disagree with their tax policies.
Obviously there are bigger things at issue here.
A response in one link: https://beehaw.org/post/1060695
I don’t mind their different beliefs, what matters is the fact that they try to force it on everyone else. You think being gay is bad? Then don’t be gay yourseld. You think getting an abortion is bad? Then don’t get an abortion. But the moment you try to force that on anyone else is the moment you’re inviting the world to shit on you. After all, no one is passing laws to discriminate against straight cis people, or forcing everyone to get an abortion.
Not wanting to date someone because of their beliefs sounds like a perfectly valid reason. Especially if those beliefs can impact someone’s rights
Hello! You have fallen into the tolerance paradox; how can you be tolerant when you’re intolerant to intolerance? Easy I’m tolerant because I don’t tolerate intolerance. Beliefs aren’t equal, anyone who believes in inferiority or inequal treatment for reasons outside ones control should be called out. It is not a live and let live mindset, it’s a “live the way I tell you to or you’re a bigot” doesn’t sound very liberty loving to me. You can dislike it, you can rant, but once you limit peoples access to equal rights and treatment you’re infringing on their rights. Any freedom loving American can respect that.
You’ll notice that on the list of things that are illegal to discriminate against, everything is either an immutable part of the person (national origin, race, gender) or is something that is unethical to ask a person to change about themselves (religion).
Political beliefs are nowhere on the list, because they’re not immutable and it’s not unethical to ask somebody to change them.
Discriminating against somebody for their political affiliation or political beliefs is legal and, in some cases, moral/ethical.
(As an aside, this is what makes all the people wanting to discriminate against LGBTQ people on religious grounds so egregious; they always had the right to discriminate against LGBTQ people on political grounds, but that wasn’t enough for them. They had to do it “in the name of God.”)
I don’t think that asking someone to change their religion is unethical, at least if asking them to stop being religious. In most cases, religion is not all that different from politics, with religion being central to various modern and historical states. At best, religion to someone is just a set of unsubstantiated beliefs. In less good cases, they’ll proselytize and be pushy about it and make bad personal decisions and use their religion to justify it. At worst, they use it as a political tool, using it as a justification to be discriminatory and exclusionary. Many wars and other atrocities in history have been for religion or catalyzed by it. Encouraging people to step away from delusion that has a historical tendency to cause mass violence shouldn’t be wrong to do. It’s protected legally in much of the west because it’s useful as a political tool. It’s easier to use religious rhetoric as a way to push other political goals than it is to fight against and let others embrace it the same.
Excuse me for… *checks notes* …choosing who to pursue relationships with based on our common values or the lack of them.
Phrasing it that way is really solid and makes a lot of sense.
I mean I form all judgements and treat people different based off their beliefs and actions as the former lead to the latter…
I kinda get a kick out of the ignorance some conservatives bring to the table. It’s almost cute, if not so stupid.
You should read up on the paradox of tolerance, and why Conservative attempts to play the victim card only expose their hypocrisy.
When it comes to dating? Yes. Absolutely. Why would you think that beliefs are a non factor for dating?
If someone’s beliefs are a danger to my life or others’ then yep, I won’t be pursuing a relationship with them, romantic or otherwise.
Would a black person be justified in not wanting to date a white supremacist? Or would you call the black person “the real bigot”?
Pffft, just means that your beliefs have consequences.
Something something tolerance paradox.
You realise that beliefs are a shifting scale, right? Not everybody with beliefs right of center are alt-right Nazis. I can’t stand those people either.
I used to be similar to you, until I met people with a whole host of opinions. I wish you well.
Never said you were, but that doesnt mean the cutoff point has to be all the way “out there” for conservative and problematic in the long run.
Besides, what do you even know about “me” given you say you used to “be like me”? You know, well perhaps not nothing but not much. And i too have met people with lots of different oppinions, yet i didnt leap towards the right, quite the opposite in fact. So… if you “used to be similar to me”, well then you’re close to falling into the deep end.
Here is some free advice: careful with what you assume you know about someone you never met before.
Yeah, that’s a fair point about assumption, was a bit silly of me. I’m responding to a few people of the same stance as you so it all kind of blurs into one. Kbin needs some default profile pic rather than a black square.
You realise that beliefs are a shifting scale, right?
We’re discussing ideologies of hate, exclusion, and domination. Such ideologies do not tolerate anything less than absolute compliance. So no, there’s no shifting scale here; your side won’t allow there to be one.
I wish you well.
No you don’t, and that’s the whole problem.
If 11 people agree to share a table with 1 nazi, you have a dozen Nazis.
How’s the Maths education where you are?
Love a good self own, get rekt nazi.
Oof. You’ve just said that you either have an inability to process a simple aphorism, or, worse, you think it’s fine to ally with Nazis, effectively proving the truth of the aphorism.
Better than yours apparently.
That’s a civics lesson. That you think it’s about the math is on you.
How’s your English education?
Treating people differently because of their beliefs?
huh??? some people have the belief that women are inferior, its a GREAT reason to treat people differentlyXD what about nazi??
Believe it or not, it’s perfectly normal to only want a relationship with someone who shares your core values. You conservatives (don’t lie) might understand that if you actually tried to have an actual relationship with someone instead of trying to establish ownership over them.
That persecution fetish is out and about, huh?
I’ll think of you when I punch a Nazi.
Yeah, like Nazis are scared of you.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/410/015/531.jpg
You talk like someone who’s never scrolled through beholdthemasterrace. Are you actually a fuckin nazi bro? You sure talk like one.
Less than a day between “conservatives arent all bad guys, stop being so mean” to literally defending Nazi’s.
Yea bud, I’ll just go ahead and use you as an example of exactly why people feel the way they do in this thread.
When their beliefs include hating me, yeah, I’m going to treat them differently.
No cause we don’t advocate for them to be punished in any way. We just don’t want to fuck them.
Good lord the replies to this are sad. Believe it or not it’s a perfectly reasonable expectation to only want to date someone whose core beliefs align with yours (and, y’know, actually respects your rights as an independent human being.)
There are a lot of trad women looking for these dudes, it’s just that these dudes are often… rather undesirable for other reasons
This is what so many of them think. If they really don’t have a problem dating someone left leaning it either means they get off on tearing down strong women or don’t really know what they believe and are still just parroting mommy and daddy’s beliefs.
“in looking for a woman who will respect my core beliefs as an independent human being, which include not treating her like an independent human being”
It’s fine to have dating preferences. The issue is when people who are just calling anyone who is conservative leaning terrible. If you don’t agree with someone’s political ideology, you should just respectfully disagree, not call them a terrible person.
Also, calling people evil for their options is a terribly way to convince them to change, it just makes them get really defensive. If you want to convince someone to change opinion, you need to have a respectful, insightful discussion.
Being ok with being conservative is akin to being ok with being stupid. It’s basically an admission of idiocy.
The difference between ignorance and proud ignorance is ginormous.
No. Stupid isn’t something you choose. As an adult, bigotry absolutely is.
Ignorance is a choice, too. I’ve met so many people who are proud of being ignorant. I once met a woman who was in her mid 30s who was explicitly against learning new things because…reasons?
Ignorance can be something you choose, but only if you’re actually smart enough to make the choice.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Gonna have to agree to disagree on that one, barring very different understandings of the word “stupidity.” Cognition and action are different things, and pretending they’re the same doesn’t improve the efficacy of interventions.
Worse than stupid. Malicious. Harmful. Hateful.
Seriously, conservatives want to pretend like we’re all just regular people so what do our political views matter right? But if The last 8 years have taught me anything it is that every conservative is some level of a bigot, even if you can get along with them, purely based off their political goals. Sorry, you can’t just work your ass off to deny people rights and sequester people you don’t like, then call it a “political view”.
This is why I don’t fuck guys who “don’t pay attention to politics”.
That means one thing, and it isn’t that they are blissfully unaware of the day to day happenings in their town, county, state, region, country, or planet of residence.
Eh, sometimes it means another thing, namely that they know their conservatism is off-putting to most women and they’re lying to get you into bed.
That’s exactly what OP is saying
I was responding to the previous comment, not OP. OP was saying conservatives get upset when people won’t sleep with them because they’re conservative. From the text of the comment I responded to, it looks like the person is saying “moderates” just don’t care about anyone but themselves. I’m adding that often the people the actual OP is talking about pretend to be the moderates the previous commenter is discussing.
The person you responded to initially is talking about conservatives hiding that about themselves lol. That’s why they said it the way they did.
This 100%. To not care about politics means to not care about how the entity with a monopoly on violence wants to take your money against your will and allocate it. If you don’t care about that, then you and I are not going to get along.
wants to take your money against your will and allocate it
Speak for yourself
I pay my taxes with a smile because they mean my neighbours won’t ever be likely show up at my door to steal from me when they don’t have enough to eat. And that my brother can have his cancer treatments without paying the insane costs associated with those treatments. And that my mother can enjoy her garden for the last 20 years of her life instead of working until she croaks.
It depends on why they don’t pay attention to politics. Personally, I kind of have to go ostrich-mode and bury my head in the sand when school gets stressful because I just don’t have the mental bandwidth to deal with both. I’m not going to judge someone too harshly for protecting their mental health from the absolute shitshow that is the American political landscape.
PS: This is not to say that any degree of modern conservatism is okay. Bigots can go fuck themselves and I’d be out punching Nazis and being a medic at protests if it didn’t jeopardize my future so significantly. (Felony convictions make it really hard to get a medical license and I have to pay off my student loans somehow. Besides, I’ll be in a much better position to make a meaningful difference as a physician than as a heavily indebted student or EMT.)
this. you can pay little attention to politics without being a “centrist” who isn’t actually a centrist. news can be depressing as fuck, i’m hella glad i strongly limited my consumption of them, but that doesn’t mean i’m gonna start both-sidesing shit. (with the exception of tankies vs nazis, because those two are in fact the same authoritarian, anti-west, bigoted crap under different flags that love to larp against each other)
That’s what centrism is supposed to mean anyway. You don’t have to go into the whole both-sides-are-bad nonsense to be a centrist.
This is my go-to response whenever anyone wants to start talking politics with me. Mainly because whenever someone wants to talk politics it’s usually not because they’re liberal and I really hate talking with people who just want to prove that their opinion is the right one.
I’ll admit I’ve used it for similar reasons. What I really should be saying is “I’m sorry, but I don’t want to talk about this right now.” Maybe I’ll even be brave and say “I don’t want to talk about this with you.” but it’s rare for me to find a person I don’t want to hear at all from. That usually comes up because they’ve already made their arguments, and I’ve already accepted or rebuttal the points to my own satisfaction. At that point they’ll talk themselves into circles looking for justification for parts of their stance, but unable to articulate it themselves. I’ll listen to anyone’s views at least once, given I’m in the right mindset, but I still wouldn’t date someone I don’t morally agree with. Life partners should have higher standards than conversation partners, and aligning values is a bare minimum for relationships.
Eh, not necessarily. It could mean a variety of different things
I bartend. I was working on Easter, and one of our semi regulars came in with a guy that she was obviously on a drink date with. They’d been at at least one other bar before they came in; they’d had a couple drinks, but weren’t past maybe tipsy.
At one point, she mentioned that the reason the last place they’d been to was slow was likely that it happened to be Easter. At the mention of the word the guy interrupted with,
“I REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT ANY POLITICS OR RELIGION!!”
To me this was a sign that this dude cared very much about religion and politics, but just like how scientologists don’t drop the Xenu shit on you right away, he wanted to wait until any prospective partner was in too deep before revealing how abhorrent his views are.
That regular isn’t my favorite person, but I was proud of her for pretty much ending that date after that.
Yeah, that’s another one of those.
I’ve never had anyone who said politics and religion aren’t good conversation actually be worth having those conversations with. Everyone else from every other walk of life has no problem having a nuanced conversation about that stuff, it’s only ever WASPs that get all indignant and force everyone else to stop talking.
One of my coworkers had asked something about trans people and bathrooms, and I started to say my piece, but mid sentence the owner comes back like “under no circumstances are you allowed to have this conversation here”.
Oh yeah, so threatening to say that I don’t care who is in what bathroom if they don’t do anything that violates another guests bodily autonomy.
So controversial and brave.
We’ve spent plenty of time talking about the different racist inspired restaurants in the area and the deplorable dog whistle specials they offer, never cared about that offending anyone.
The restaurant in question was the MoonCricket Grille, and they were offering $0.49 Bud lights after the outrage about them in honor of the 49 who died at the Pulse nightclub.
I hate this place…
That’s literally a bar rule. Lol. Alcohol makes people talk like they are on the internet in real life. Doesn’t make sense to discuss nuance when you’ve been drinking especially with the touchy subjects.
Alcohol makes people talk like they are on the internet in real life
fucking lol
Alcohol makes people talk like they are on the internet in real life
fucking lol
Or they’re pretending to be blissfully unaware, but secretly hate you for being an independent woman.
Ayy gurl, I love politics.
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meh i wouldnt assume they are conservative just because they say that
In my experience, that’s the case 100% of the time. I’ve never once in my 30+ years heard a liberal say the same thing. It’s always
NazisRepublicans trying to deflect and sweep their shitty views under the rug because they think it’s some kind of trump card to get around their awful views and have civilized society allow them back in so they can spread their hate.I mean I was apolitical for most of my life, honestly. Barely followed news at all. It’s just depressing.
No offense, but that’s exactly why we’re currently fighting fascism in America: apathetic folks like you that don’t care. Do you vote ever?
you know just like the “i’m apolitical” copout, there’s a similar copout along the lines of “well i voted (and didn’t do shit all other than that), so my hands are clean”.
Voting is the bare minimum, but if all you do is vote, you’re still a much better person than folks that don’t vote. If you get involved beyond that, even better. But absolutely nothing beyond just fucking voting is required to get involved, but most of the young folks still don’t vote.
I’m not a citizen: I can’t vote.
So why are we having this discussion?
You started the voting thing. I merely said I was apolitical.
I think there’s a difference between someone who doesn’t pay attention to politics and someone who just doesn’t want to argue politics. Someone who doesn’t pay attention to politics at all is too sheltered and doesn’t understand the issues that have been going on and affect a lot of people, so a lot of those people don’t want to date someone who won’t be able to understand something vital to them and that has an effect on their lives. Especially since someone who hasn’t been paying attention likely doesn’t have a lot of the same principles and beliefs.
Dude on the right should be saying “I wouldn’t date you either.”
This kind of shit was a big motivation for me to leave reddit, and now it’s already on Lemmy. Great.
You can have right leaning beliefs and not be a bigot. Hell, I’m not even right leaning but many of my friends and family are. They are not racist, sexist, transphobic… This kind of post just makes the left look childish.
ETA: you can have conservative views and not vote republican. The republican party is a fucking joke.
They are not racist, sexist, transphobic…
But it’s not a deal breaker either.
Sure you can lean conservative but if in the modern era you’re supporting and voting republican you’re either in denial, or complicit. There’s not much the Republicans have in common with conservative values these days.
Exactly. What’s so conservatism about trying to murder congress and overthrow American democracy again, like what happened on Jan. 6? These traitors sure aren’t trying to preserve the Union, that’s for damn sure.
Please grow up.
If not being a racist is your benchmark, I don’t even want to know what else your family does.
This post doesn’t mention bigotry, racism, sexism, or transphobia. So what are you talking about?
One of the most self-damning things about Republicans is how quick they are to start defending allegations of bigotry, racism, sexism, transphobia, treason against America, etc. upon the first mention of conservatism, without noticing that they’re usually the first to bring up those topics. It’s almost like the very concept of conservatism and bigotry against people for their “station” at birth are inseparable, and any attempt to pretend otherwise is just that: pretend.
I don’t see how people who aren’t racist, sexist or transphobic could vote for conservatives when 75% of Republican campaigning (other than “guns and taxes!”) is focused on being racist, sexist and transphobic. People who aren’t any of those things are turned off by it and would not vote for republicans.
I agree, just wanna point out that this post doesn’t specifically mention the US
While true I think, as long as you’re not some kind of an extremist, your political views don’t matter that much, unless you’re in America. Most people have their opinions vary on the political spectrum, some views are conservative while others are liberal. But in America it seems like you’re either 100% liberal or 100% conservative and anything inbetween is hated by both sides. So you have to know if they’re with you or against you.
I don’t have experiences with politics in other countries, so it would be difficult for me to comment about that.
You can absolutely have right leaning views and not be a bigot, but if you vote republican in the current political climate you are.
people can be disinterested in dating each other for any reason they want, it’s not like you have to reach some level of hatefulness before they can say “i don’t care for your politics and i’m not interested.”
“Many of [your friends and family]” vote for legalizing racism, sexism, and now literally the attempted overthrow of the United States of America. If your friends and family vote for that and vote for taking away peoples human rights, they’re terrible people. Maybe they’re nice to you but they’re actively ruining other people’s lives. Your cowardice in continuating to associate with, tolerate, and defend these people and their evil behaviors is childish. “But! but! some of my friends are in the Schutzstaffel, they can’t be all bad!” Grow up.
Your friends and family might not be vocally bigoted, but actions speak louder than words and if they’re voting for a party that platforms on racism, sexism, and transphobia, then they are bigots. I hardly think it’s childish to avoid dating someone who would support a party that wants to strip your rights away.
Also, Lemmy has always been like this. You came to the wrong fuckin’ place, my dude.
Yeah, fuck, the “I’m being persecuted and censored!!” conservatives have shown up, great.
I agree, the “holier than thou” attitude is really gross. I was hoping this was going to be less of an echo chamber than Reddit but it’s starting to look like it’s worse. Let’s blow this popsicle stand bro I’m out of here
Lmao bye Felicia
bye-bye 👋
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, it’s worth more than any conservative is.
Also lol that the “fReE SpEeCh” crowd cries a fucking river whenever people use that free speech to tell them they fucking suck.
Free speech is the worst possibly way to defend your opinion. Your basically saying “my opinion is valid because it’s not illegal to state my opinion”
byeeeeeeeeeeee
If right-leaning, but not bigoted, there is a lot of space within the Democrats for that, and always has been.
Which is less than ideal, as the GOP remains populated by a mix of extremists & the grossly inattentive, Democrats yanked well to the right of centre, and the left utterly stymied.
But, the point remains that if someone is turning a blind eye to the harm being waged against their fellow Americans in favour of some nebulous lean (which the GOP’s consistently do not bother to address anyhow), then arguably they are far worse than a bigot, who at least one can consider to be haplessly hate-filled, rather than blithely lending support to the hate-filled.
No, what we look like is people who’ve tried to give the benefit of the doubt for ages and gotten fucked for it. We’ve run out of benefit to give. Conservatives are actively hurting people in North America (probably elsewhere too) and we see ourselves and our children on the chopping block if we keep giving leeway. So we’ve stopped. You’ll keep seeing more of this until conservatives stop hurting people. This meme is just a funny reflection of that. Maybe it’s even gonna make some gears spin in some people’s heads.
Exactly! You cannot support that party and be surprised when you get called a bigot. You’re playing with pigs and you smell like shit, bud. Conservative values eventually turn into hateful ideology 100% of the time. Conservatism requires someone to blame for everything, and they never blame the people actually at fault, they blame minority groups that are easy to attack and exploit.
Being conservative doesn’t make you a bigot. Being liberal doesn’t make you a bigot. What makes you a bigot is hating someone just for disagreeing with you, or being part of a different group.
Bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
How can we tell the difference?
When the conservatives that’s not bigots keep silent and let qanon do what they want.
Until then we we need more proof when people say “TFG was the best president, but I’m not a bigot”.
Assuming someone is evil just because they like Trump is quite literally bigotry. You shouldn’t hate anyone just because of their ideas. Attack actions and ideas, not people.
Call me a bigot all you want while you stand at the rally with your red cape talking to your chums.
I can ask you another question is Big Brother the enemy?
I’m not calling you a bigot. I’m just saying that everyone here seems to have really extreme opinions, and hates anyone who even slightly disagrees.
Supporting a bigot is bigotry.
Bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Just supporting some policies of someone who is a bigot doesn’t mean you support their bigoted policies.
Do you know what you call an average person who sits silently at a table with 9 bigots? The 10th bigot.
Or “sleep with dogs and get fleas” if you prefer a direct metaphor
Anybody else hear a dog whistle?
it’s already on Lemmy
Lemmy was created by communists for communists, conservatives, “centrists” and liberals gtfo out
You can have right leaning beliefs and not be a bigot
the entirety of conservativism is openly classist, the entire ideology is built on ruthlessly attacking and stripping away protection for those most vulnerable in society. Besides, just because your family wont openly call me a slur for being trans it doesnt mean they aren’t supporting a party who market themselves on wanting to strip away my rights. Frankly, you cant be pro-american at all without implicitly supporting the horrific crimes they have historically committed whether within their own borders or outside.
Many of my family and some of my um, not quite friends, are conservative, and all are varying degrees of racist, sexist, or transphobic. Granted, that’s just anecdotal, but have a hard time believing people who vote for bigots aren’t somewhat bigoted themselves if they’re willing to throw vulnerable populations under the bus for 0.5% lower taxes or whatever.
There’s always Voat you can try, it should line up better for you.
they aren’t
You just haven’t seen it yet. Try coming out to them as trans, see how that goes for you.
I almost dated a conservative but covid saved me.
The moment it hit, her conservative powers went omega level and I was able to dodge a bullet by wanting to vaccinate early
Well, just you wait. You be dead by CHRISTmas 2021. That wat you get to.
Either you be dead or you be turned too zombie to be controlled by Fow-chi Chinese army.
This hole thing poplation control. Wat wuflu dont kill, vaxine will. Or zombie like I said.
Mark my world. Ded by CHRISTmas 2021. Mark my world
Soros. Hoosane Obama. Fow-chi. Biden. CNN. That ur god.
She dodge the bullet.
:p
The really funny part was she was pretty normal until MAGA and the alt right radicalized her via lies
She turned into that shockingly quickly
My best guess is that something was wrong with her that she hid deep inside until it was let out
My best guess is that something was wrong with her that she hid deep inside until it was let out
Probably. Reminds me a lot of the guys back in HS who would be super women positive and “feminist” when girls were in earshot, but say horrendously awful shit when it was “just us guys”(I wasn’t friends with them either, they just thought it was ok to say around guys in general), up to and including rape apologia in at least one instance. All asshole trump supporters now last I knew.
And they wondered why 90% of my friends in HS were girls.
They call it “locker room talk”, I call it “being a complete asshole but too cowardly to do so publicly”
Mark my world got me. I’m picturing her squatting near some building to mark it as hers.
R Kelly style
Why would anyone date a conservative, it isn’t safe?
Yeah. Regardless of what actions they personally take, they do advocate and vote for your death.
Well, Republicans tend to vote for policies that go against their own self-interests if they get boogeyman’s enough by Tucker and Donald, so it wouldn’t surprise me that there exist Conservative women who date against their own self interests.
Even if it was safe like ew you don’t believe in equality that’s just unattractive af
Your username indicates you don’t do much dating of men… (Not that it invalidates your point)
Women can be conservatives too. Still gross.
Margorie Taylor Green fits in here. shudders
It’s a long-lost heteronym: Woe, man.
There are absolutely conservative queer women, they’re very much not the sort of person you want to date
Imagine dating someone whose beliefs actively belittle you.
Wow I did not expect so many right wingers on blahaj zone. Feels weird
Interesting, as a leaning conservative myself I never had any issues getting women. Something tells me it’s not really about your beliefs but confidence. If you project confidence in your beliefs women and people in general will be drawn to you. Also I noticed from my previous serious relationships that my girlfriends would tend to agree with my point of view after some time.
Lol making up arguments in your head again?
This has to be a joke right? What kind of opinion piece is this? I swear the left is just as intellectually bankrupt as the right.
Sounds like you’re suffering from an acute case of ‘feels before reals’ to me.
Not particularly surprising or shocking that women are less likely to date men who vote conservative. Ignoring the simple fact that the data suggests America is becoming less tolerant of intolerance, and that conservatives are increasingly out of step with majority opinion, the recent abortion thing is a real lady boner killer, as is making excuses for a convicted sex offender.
Sounds like you’re suffering from an acute case of ‘feels before reals’ to me.
Says the people that say that trans men have no advantage in women’s sports? I think you’re projecting here.
Not particularly surprising or shocking that women are less likely to date men who vote conservative.
What data is there to prove that? Nothing. Even if that were true, I would be glad that they don’t get hoes that sleep around with other guys.
making excuses for a convicted sex offender.
That is funny coming from the folk that support MAPs.
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Straw man. I never said trans men have no advantage. Keep to the topic at hand, rather than trying to go on a tangent. It’s transparent, and many will assume you’re doing it because you know you can’t win the argument.
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Conservative guys complain about women not wanting to date them. People date people they share values with.
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Assuming non-conservative women are all ‘whores’ who sleep around is incel nonsense. If they’re choosing not to date conservative men, a large proportion of men, if anything they’re being selective. The opposite of being promiscuous. Data also suggests young women have less sex than previous generations. Most sex happens in long term stable relationships.
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If you assume the rest of us know what a MAP is, you’ve likely spent too much time in an echo chamber. It’s pretty weird if I’m honest, like if someone mentioned a scientology term and assumed average people knew what they were talking about.
I would be glad
But you’re not happy about it, are you? Be honest with yourself. You wouldn’t call them whores if you were happy about it. You would live and let live.
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That is funny coming from the folk that support MAPs.
I refuse to accept that you believe supporting paedophiles is a position LGBTQ people hold in any capacity
You can only be pretending to believe that
It is so absurd
Go to any online community full of incels and you’ll see they’re all conservative - and that their conservative ideals have a huge impact on how they treat women.
Incels have less to do with politics and more to do with personal experiences they’ve had. You’re bringing in politics where it doesn’t belong. If they start waving the LGTV flag, that still isn’t going to get them pussy.
Why are you asking me? Did you read what I said? Ask the incels why they repeat conservative positions in their communities.
lmao, I remember you. Don’t you have an ancient LGBT conspiracy to be chasing?
Ooh, what’s the conspiracy?
I’m kinda pissed my lesbian sister has been keeping it from me.
It ain’t a conspiracy if it’s happening in front of your own eyes. Any thoughts on the gay song about ‘coming for your children’? I’m sure you’re going to say it’s just tongue-and-cheek humor.
My answer to that song would be: We live in a multicultural world and if you don’t teach your kids to accept other peoples choices they say that they will.
The more bigoted parents are, and the more parents say “Stay away from them!” the more teenagers are drawn to the LGBT community and will see that its their parents that’s wrong.
Blue haired women with penises won’t date us? Your terms are acceptable.
Lol, I swear - “you’re taking our rights “ I’m not sure what rights they’re bitching about but I’m assuming it’s abortion this time. To take away your abortion rights someone has to be willing to nut inside you first.
There’s lots of people willing to do that, your sexual preferences do not map to the whole of humanity
Yea, somehow I don’t believe the “lots of people” part
Lol making up arguments in your head again?
Being a bit hyperbolic. The kernel of truth is that the women filtering themselves out of the conservative dating pool are doing those men a favor.
I wish the rest of the conservatives would agree with you, but here they are banging on about ‘women shouldn’t be able to divorce their husbands’ and whining online about ‘the great replacement’ because we don’t want to fuck them
It’s the other way round mate
The feeling is mutual
It’s pure projection. They put up a wall thinking that they’re the ones choosing, but they’re actually the ones that aren’t attractive to others because of the black-and-white way they see the world.
No u
Everything they bitch about is a projection
Everything conservatives bitch about is a generalisation
