Is it just the momentum and word of mouth, or are there improved features as well?
They have the main thing masses often look for: unity (as in the state of being united, not the company). Like it or not, federation is a brand new concept that regular users can’t wrap their heads around.
Federation a brand new concept.
LOL!
You’re dismissing the fact that web browsing and e-mail are federated. DNS too. Usenet. Gopher. IRC to a certain point.
Not a brand new concept.
See my other reply. Regular users don’t understand, nor care, nor even think about it. To the mainstream, of everything you’ve listed, only email is a common concept, and even then you have some major congregation with very few providers. It doesn’t matter that your bubble is used to it, because it represents a risible percentage of the mainstream.
You have a point. I actually don’t want mainstream people in here. Because they suck so much as the youtube comments used to show before it implemented upvotes.
I think emulating twitter was a huge mistake for mastadon, the twitter reply structure that makes it difficult to have a long conversation with multiple people to be the main part of the post but ideal for “dunks” and outrage farming. I think the Tumblr reblog structure would have been an infinitly better choice for the more actual socialising thing fediverse is going for and a small user base that isnt producing much content and can re-circulate older posts. also it’s less image-centric allowing more posts to be stored on a server, additionally (intuitively, I haven’t thought about implementation that hard) it seems like a much more natural fit for federation.
I like Mastodon and the Fediverse, I really do, but I just can’t deny that all the good posters that made Twitter enjoyable moved to Bluesky. My Mastodon feed is nothing but journalists, activists, developers, but very little fun shitposting.
Oh lord that would sell me on mastodon instantly if I weren’t already there.
Perhaps I should clarify: by “good posters”, I don’t mean Wendy’s epically dunking on McDonald’s and I don’t mean “night water hits different” lowest common denominator posters, just ordinary people like you and me shooting the shit. I think it’s sad Mastodon seems to have the reputation that people can’t crack a joke there.
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See, that’s exactly why I like Mastodon and want nothing to do with Bluesky. Sounds like we’re both happy this way.
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When I saw the kinds of people who were getting invites to Bluesky I knew I wanted nothing to do with Dorsey’s Twitter 2.0. As you said, it’s just going to be clout-chasing assholes all over again. I guess I prefer small town life to life in the big city, digitally speaking. (Physically I prefer the precise opposite.)
That’s fine, I just want either of them to actually kill twitter for good though and it just doesn’t look like it’s gonna be Mastodon. With Threads potentially joining the Fediverse, I guess who knows.
News Flash!
Twitter will never stop being a thing. Myspace is still a thing, after all. Twitter will just stop being a relevant thing. Like Myspace.
As for Threads, any threads sites or account gets instablocked on identification for me. I will not peacefully submit to Zuck the Fuck’s embrace/extend/extinguish strategy. I basically want all corporate surveillance antisocial media to die. Ruthlessly murdered, ideally, in a gruesome living vivisection.
Sure, I just meant if Threads and maybe Tumblr are serious about joining the Fediverse, maybe the whole AT Protocol that Bluesky is trying to build will fall into obscurity.
If you attempt to shitpost on Mastodon things don’t usually go very well. The vibe had to match twitter circa 2013 or else it would never have felt safe enough for the first colonizing species of memes like alf hog to develop like the first plants in a lava field
OK this tells me that bluesky is definitely not for me. I am happy with Mastodon. So long as the people I follow (from technology, science, research, literature, owners of cats, dogs, etc etc) remain on Mastodon, I will remain happy.
More non political stuff most likely.
Users.
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This name will never not read to me as “bloo-skee”
Portable accounts and being able to add third party layers to your feed for moderation and sorting algorithms. At least that’s their design goal, idk if it’s actually implemented because I never got an invite after like half a year.
Yep. I love and use lists on Mastodon, but I’d love to have the custom algos as well.
3rd party feeds are live. Portability is technically live but federation isn’t live outside the sandbox so you can’t make use of it yet (as in once federation is on the existing protocol will immediately allow you to migrate your profile)
Feeds/timelines are first-class citizens in the AT protocol and are decoupled from account hosting.
On Mastodon, your timelines are computed by the same server that hosts your data. Consequently, signing up to a server to have an account on the fediverse is the same thing as joining a community. You follow the servers rules and share the same local timeline as everyone else on that server.
On Bluesky, feeds are arbitrary, fungible and provided by any server, and it can be computed/curated/moderated however they like. So communities are “built” around feeds rather than around account hosting providers.
The AT protocol also has “real” account portability (though I have not seen this demonstrated in practice https://atproto.com/guides/overview#account-portability). On Mastodon, account “portability” is a delicate dance that requires the cooperation of both the origin and destination server.
Mastodon has something that Bluesky currently doesn’t: real federation. The Bluesky server that everyone signs up to doesn’t federate with anyone else, since the whole protocol is still a work-in-progress.
My money’s on BS never federating at all. Mastodon Instances are communities unto themselves. The way BS is set up means an “instance” is essentially just free additional hosting for BlueSky Inc. It’s decentralized similarly to how crypto is decentralized. Of course, what else would one expect from Jack.
There’s a sandbox with federation with third party clients already live. Every piece of the system can be federated or substituted.
If somebody wanted to fork out and federate in open now they could. They aren’t doing so because it’s still work in progress, especially moderation tooling and scaling needs improvements
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For real. It’s not like Twitter was markedly different before Elon.
It creates that “one big chatroom” vibe from old twitter, while Mastodon feels like a bunch of people microblogging next to each other
I do agree with you, but it’s funny because on the description for the app, it says BlueSky is for microblogging.
Yeah all of these are in theory in this “microblogging” genre of apps.
People just join it thinking it’s Jack Dorsey’s next twitter.
It is easier to get into. It is easier to continue with it. There is an obvious no-brainer app.
If you go on Bluesky they will tell you. Lots of people saying that they feel isolated because there is no algorithm feeding engagement, and federation doesn’t lend itself to finding your friends from Twitter easily without one of those migration tools people were using. Then another chunk describe Mastodon users as a “HOA” because someone told them to put a CW on something.
HOA? CW?
Home Owners Association (group that implements rules for homeowners in a neighborhood like what colour you can paint your house or what you can plant in the garden), and Content Warning
Cheers
A megalomaniac owner
Are you referring to Jack Dorsey? He’s not the owner, he just gave them grant money in the beginning. It’s a non-profit so technically no individual “owns” it.
Mastodon is nonprofit. Blue sky is for profit.
You’re right about the Dorsey part.
oooh i stand corrected anywho that makes me more anxious to try it if they would just send me my gd invite that i requested like a year ago ;__;
Wait - are you sure it’s non-profit? If so, why the VC money?
No, he’s wrong (obviously) it’s a for profit startup.
It’s not currently making money but that’s different than nonprofit obviously.
He’s right about the Jack part though.
Ah yeah i stand corrected:
“Prior to the seed round, Bluesky’s website described the company as a Public Benefit LLC owned by Graber and other Bluesky employees.[33] Post-seed round, the company describes itself as a public-benefit C Corp.”
He’s endorsing Kennedy so yeah there’s that hot mess.
ew gross
- No HOA complaining that you didn’t CW a picture with eye contact or food or alcohol or matter
- More witty people from X
- No drama about who is defederating with who
Which instance have you been on?
My instance is great, although I wish we would switch to glitch-soc so we could have instance-only visibility on posts. I don’t really see much inter-instance drama and I generally don’t get harassed by people who think I need to post a certain way (maybe because I’ve been on Masto since 2018 and they have been on less than a year?)
But those are still legitimate problems for a lot of people.
cupoftea.social says hello :wave: runs on glitch and has boosts in the timeline.
