I’m a bit concerned about how much my husband has been watching his videos, but he’s a hard man to argue with. I want to understand what it is Joe Rogan is saying, but I don’t want to give the man my viewership. How/where do I get the info I can use to debate my husband?
I get the sense that your concerns aren’t who your husband watches but what your husband’s opinions are.
Instead of debating over what Rogan says, maybe just have a conversation with your husband about your concerns. Express your thoughts on issues important to you and see how that goes. Maybe your husband just likes the drama and doesn’t put much weight into Rogan’s hot takes.
The real answer. Everyone is different, can’t really judge a person’s views by who they watch. I know people that watch a lot of Fox because they want to know what kind of crap they’re spreading.
This is good advice! I listened to his podcast for a little while because I was interested in a particular guest and I wanted to hear what the guest had to say, not what Rogan thought. I found a few other guests I liked but I quickly stopped listening because Rogan always makes interviews about his interests and it grew old.
As a man who works with a bunch of guys that listen to him, nothing worth listening to.
That being said, I’m not married to the guys and work and your going to have way more to deal with in his viewership than I do.
Just watch Tim Heidecker’s parody episode from his show Office Hours, it’s quite accurate.
Excuse me, why is this an 12 hour video?
Lol, that’s just one more Rogan jab. It’s only 90 minutes I think, then looped over and over.
It’s free real estate.
Why do you want to debate your husband about Rogan’s talking points if you yourself are having trouble arguing with them?
OP doesn’t know what his arguments are yet, just that his videos are full of fallacies, and a lot of terrorists/traitors love his content
Focusing on one or the other should suffice for an argument though. Although you can’t do both because the latter is an ad hominem fallacy
It would be, if I was using it as a premise that the show was bad. I was not making that argument.
It still is. You can commit to the ad hominem (guilt by association) fallacy by saying that the arguments are bad because extremists believe them or point out logical fallacies in the arguments and say that they must be false because they’re logically invalid.
I didn’t conclude that the arguments are bad. Insisting it is still ad hominem is fallacious.
Guilt by association is widely accepted as an ad hominem fallacy
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Ad-Hominem-Guilt-by-Association
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Guilt_by_association
What about accusing someone of guilt by association when that person hasn’t assumed someone is guilty? Do you not understand that that is the very thing you’re doing?
Of all the right wing assclowns, rogan is the one that people least need to “keep up with”. He doesn’t create conspiracies or thought. He just regurgitates what others say.
But, more importantly: What do you expect to come out of this? if you aren’t comfortable speaking to your husband about what he is watching, what will you do once you find out?
I think we should refrain from over-extrapolating about their relationship based on one - admittedly concerning - short paragraph.
I can understand wanting to discuss it with him from an informed stance. It makes it easier to be heard when you can demonstrate a little working knowledge.
Edit: SHOULD not shouldn’t
I agree, and if I may add to your comment, it is very unlikely their conversation will go anywhere if the OP were to approach their spouse with the same tone and attitude as the person you replied to. That comment is neither informative or welcomes communication. The OP wants to be informed, even if their opinion is the same as the comment they will get nowhere talking to an avid Rogan listener with that, just two loudmouths yelling at each other.
Exactly. This is her husband, after all. A good marriage is all about communication. All she’s trying to do is achieve communication and, hopefully, understanding/compromise.
Johnny Harris did a pretty good video on him recently
He’s big enough that a lot of people tend to make videos explaining what he is wrong about and how. Searching YT for “Joe Rogan is wrong” or similar and picking some large looking channels from the list tends to give useful results.
That is the path I would take. All JR does, and all people like him do, is provide people with a encyclopedia of logical fallacies to use during arguments.
An “argument” with these kinds of people usually just drives you into a state of confusion trying to debunk lists of interconnected “facts” they are spewing out. Not only does it put that person in a place to “win an argument by default”, they are generally masters at shifting the burden of proof on to you.
Two approaches I take are: Recognize what a person is about to spout off and counter each “fact” they come up with, immediately. Or, you ignore that person and walk off.
Behind the Bastards and Some More News have covered him albeit tangentially. Knowledge Fight has covered when Alex Jones has been on Rogan and it really illustrates how dangerously unprepared he is to deal with people like Alex
America’s not even ready for those people.
I’m listened to Jones on the Joe Rogan show when he was on with Eddie Bravo. It ended up with them getting wasted and spouting some really off the wall shit. Bravo was deep into chem trails. Jones confidently proclaimed that “interdimensional child molesters” were the biggest threat to humanity. If they were trying to get people to believe in that stuff they were doing a terrible job of it. Unless you’re already primed to think that way, it was obvious they weren’t thinking rationally.
I agree with many of the other commenters that OP debating their husband might not be the best idea.
But if that’s what they want, “Decoding the gurus” did at least one Rogan specific episode, and I think they do a better job covering and dismantling Rogan’s rhetorical approach than the podcasts above.
I dont think anyone can be prepared enough to deal with someone like Alex Jones.
The guy is literally a Warhammer 40k space marine in real life. Well, not physically, but he thinks and talks like one.
You should check out Knowledge Fight. They are the experts. When the Times wants to cover him they call them.
The legal team for one of the Sandy Hook parent’s had one of the hosts testify as an expert witness on Alex Jones.
Not true. Dan acted as a probono advisor to plaintiff’s council in one of the Texas cases. He never testified. He did sit in on a deposition and suggest a few questions and lines of questioning
It’s impossible to say. What does he say regarding what? And what do you consider is worth debating over. It’s usually not Joe’s opinions per se but the guests.
His podcast literally covers everything you can think of. Indigenous people, hunting, technology, different diets, archeology, random chatting with comics, or otherwise interesting people (according to him).
Usually the guests are experts in some field and tell their opinions on whatever matter they have a degree in or they just talk random nonsense to make dialog that some might find interesting.
Usually the guests are experts
No they’re not. Usually they’re two-bit grifters spouting nonsense they obviously know nothing about, in order to sell some BS. Like how spam emails use bad grammar on purpose to select for the gullible.
Sure they are, depending on the subject of course. Someone with a phd in mathematical physics from Harvard talking about physics would be considered an expert in the subject no?
You can also read into some of the very easily disprovable professional morons that appear on show. Jordan Peterson is a great example because he’s obviously wrong in a very well researched area.
When it comes to psychology, I think Peterson has a lot of valuable insights.
When it comes to anything else I just wish he would shut his mouth.
That combination of feelings really sums up a lot of Joe’s guests.
A divorce would probably be less painful than acrually watching Joe Rogan videos.
Video transcripts? Not sure debating your husband is a good idea.
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Sorta the problem with the joe Rogan podcast is that Joe doesn’t have an agenda, but every guest he has on does. Some folks think that platforming scumbags and allowing them to say awful things isn’t cool, and therefore refuse to go on the show, which means fewer same people and more insane. This then repeats until only insane guests are in the show.
He does have an agenda now, though it’s not a political one. It’s the chasing of those strokes to his ego that his alt-right audience gives him every time he says something they like.
I mean that’s fair. It may not even be ego, might be money. But the point stands either way.
wouldnt be the first time hard right wingers were found out to be only in it for the money. tucker carlson’s leaked texts and emails come to mind. or all of ann culters college law papers that were pretty moderate. grift the rubes, never fails.
he definitely puts his own agenda into his show. like, with COVID, he only invited guests with one opinion. he picked the anecdotes and every part of the show that wasn’t pure interview. he very very clearly and strongly wanted to push that vaccines are bad and COVID is overblown. that was not a guest doing that.
Only segment of his show I ever saw was Bill Burr calling him a Knuckle Scrapper when masks were brought up, lol.
JR lost touch with reality a few years ago. Hosts nonsense guests on his show who spread BS. To debate him, you simply require a brain and any simple reasoning skills.
I think you need to take a few steps back and really think about what you are asking. If your husband is a fan and regular listener to a source you are so adamant against, that even giving him a view is a concern, then do you and your husband have the same values?
I am so sorry to say this but your post is just littered with red flags. Sis, he isn’t hard to argue with, the man just doesn’t care what you think. If he did why isn’t this a discussion and not an argument where he shuts you/your concerns down? I would say that making yourself informed about the specifics of Joe Rogan matters more than his view count going up by 1. But frankly, you probably aren’t going to like anything you hear (Because Rogan is a pig who washes conspiracies/bigotry as “just debate lol”). But since your husband knows you won’t approve, that is why he is brushing you off.
This sounds like a really rough position to be in. I’ve been there with some of my past relationships so I am sending you all the warmth and strength I can muster! Big hugs!
So many assumptions based on so little information.
