@xnx I certainly cannot. I’m on my own instance and there’s like 20,000 instances. Someone can *attempt* to yeet me. They’ll have a hell of a time getting admin privileges to all instances though.

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@mark thank you for the compliment and assurance friend.

I am always self conscious about my long winded replies because sometimes even I wouldn’t wanna read a post that long.

Though, with topics like this that I’m very passionate about, I feel it’s very important to lay out all the information and knowledge I have so that others can make informed decisions themselves based on the most important details.

I discuss Fediverse and networks like it, literally constantly and there’s LOTS of nuances with these systems that need lots of explanations.

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@Blaze no problem, friend.

I always worry if my long winded answers make sense to neurotypical people as I’m ADHD and slightly autistic.😅

So I hope it does make sense, at least even partially.

Overall, they’re mostly centralized because there’s *very* few relays and they’re required infrastructure, but decentralized in other ways, which may or may not matter in the bigger picture because of this previous information.

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@Blaze

Long winded, nuanced answer, ready your eyeballs:

It’s a bit complicated, but since we’re on Fediverse and at least somewhat familiar with how things work here, I’ll try to explain with that comparison in mind.

On Fediverse, instances are in control of the user data directly. To “migrate” your account, you’d be switching instances and admins entirely.

BlueSky splits things up quite a bit more.

There, you can host your own “PDS” or Personal Data Server. That hosts your account and post info only.

Then, there’s the “AppView”. In comparison to Fediverse, these are like Lemmy, Mastodon, Mbin, etc. Right now, there’s VERY few Appviews to choose from.

Then, there’s the “relay”. Which to Fediverse, the only thing similar is also relays, but they work differently. On BlueSky, they relay every post and interactions of all the PDS data that connect to AppViews. I do not think there’s a choice on *what* is relayed, just a huge firehose. That being said, they’re not optional like Fediverse. To complete the network, relays are required on ATProto and apparently could be expensive to host, so right now, it appears the only relay is hosted by BlueSky the company. Which makes things slightly centralized.

Now, that we have those definitions out of the way, this is where things get a bit muddy and a bit of purposeful corporate created confusion for purpose of selfishness is quite apparent.

Right now, there’s very few AppViews. The ones I’m aware of are, BlueSky itself, Whitewind, and Frontpage.xyz.

The confusion happens because BlueSky, the company, doesn’t separate the fact that accounts hosted on self-hosted PDS, aren’t technically Bluesky accounts, they’re ATproto accounts. Everywhere you look to login, it says “login using your BlueSky account”. I can only assume they’re doing this on purpose so that anyone who tries to make an Appview, host a PDS, AND a relay, can’t have their own “identity” like different instances and platforms have here on Fedi.

That will confuse people and make them think *everything* is just hosted by BlueSky the company. However, as we’ve now established, there’s definitely a separation of “Bluesky” the company, “BlueSky” the AppView that you can login to using your “BlueSky” account, which doesnt technically have to be hosted by anything related to BlueSky.

I hope this all makes sense and you can tell that *technically* things are decentralized for the most part. It’s just that BlueSky is purposefully muddying their own definitions of things so that anyone that tries to build on ATproto, has a hard time making themselves known as *not* bluesky due to the way they conflate all these definitions.

Sorry for the huge post and hope it makes sense in some way.

Thanks for reading.😁👍

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@Fitik I’m talking moderation on a level that a user cannot do themselves.

Blocking and muting are not moderation, they’re user tools to limit your feed, nothing more.

@dch82 first, “normies” have to not get harassed when they come here.

Unfortunately the biggest Fedi software refuses to add automated reporting of offensive posts so if it’s not reported, the admins won’t even see it.

People coming from corporate social media are used to ignoring the report button because in their experience, it either doesn’t work, or gets ignored by admins anyway.

We need automated reporting.

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@mloxton @Fitik wow. A ton of extensions work without changes across the two, which is the case for the ones I used.

The more you know…😬🤦‍♂️

@Fitik yep, there’s literally no excuse to be on a chromium based browser now.

You want your information to be sold? Use chrome.

You want to use the internet? Use literally anything else.

@Aatube great. I’m just seeing this because on Mastodon, for a user to get notified, you have to add their username in the body of the post.👍

Thanks for updating me.

@debounced Well, that’s great! However, that still doesn’t quell my concerns regarding Melroy’s offer to the transphobe. He IS the creator, though it is good ya’ll have a group, it still concerns me that someone so prominent with the project would associate themselves with such people.

I have many trans friends and I cannot, in good conscience, recommend the project until it’s addressed.😬 😔

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@HubertManne
Well…this is not a company. However, after reviewing the github. It does seem like there’s at least one more who can approve merges
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@HubertManne pretty sure that’s how every project works in terms of merge requests…no? Even mastodon can only have merges approved by Eugen Rothko.🤷‍♂️

@HubertManne but if he has the merging powers, it doesn’t matter because the buck stops with him on what’s implemented.

@HubertManne he created the fork. So therefore, he’s the creator and the one who holds the merging power.

@maegul @fediverse yeah…in interest of fairness, I did ask him for a comment on the situation before I went public with the information, but he completely ignored me so after 3 days I had to make a public statement on it.😔

Me asking him: https://social.beaware.live/@BeAware/112914020692638023

Me making it public: https://social.beaware.live/@BeAware/112922757724465742

I can only do so much “investigating” before making it known.

@Aatube 🤷‍♂️harassment is a good deterrent and I have 5x more followers than him…so just replying to me would be a good idea.😬

@Aatube I wasn’t replying to that post because I didn’t want any more harassment from the transphobes and admins mentioned there.

I did already ask him and he ignored me.

https://social.beaware.live/@BeAware/112914020692638023

🤷‍♂️I can only do so much investigating before I have to say something publicly.

@refalo but that’s not what you originally said. But yeah, I’d like to see them take down all 25,000+ of us. Especially when a ton of them aren’t in the EU.

@refalo well, consider the entire Fediverse illegal then…🤨

@JesusRat @MacNCheezus Yes? LOL.

What kinda comment is that? “No.” :kek: