Bump! Amber whataboutism

I mean yes, and that’s why terms like removed exists. I’m probably thinking too rigidly about this…

Definitely. We aren’t super humans with all the correct answers. :)

I have a hard time changing my mind, they tell me that PDA factors into it, so I’m pretty sure I could shift my position if it was presented in a way I could internalize and think on later. I usually just lurk but I’ve been trying to engage with people more genuinely.

Yea, I’m autistic and sometimes I get the feeling this is more of a ND vs NT debate. The left just cares enough about humanizing people to bother having it. Usually us ND’s just get ignored and told to change.

I’m 99% we’re making the same points at each other. I’m pretty sure I agree with you, and because I like you I want to explain more better if I can.

i think you want the “how do i call someone stupid without being ableist” branch rather than this one.

Just to clarify, this is not my position. I am actually upset at people being told “you can’t call people stupid” and just hearing “stupid is bad word now, what word can I say instead?” Those are the same people that stopped saying the R slur and swapped to stupid. Those are closely related to the same people still calling things gay and refusing to change.

There is no appropriate word to use if you want to disparage someone. Whether that’s intellect, gender, attractiveness, or anything else like that. Those are just social norms. You aren’t stupid, you just don’t fit the capitalist model you are expected to fit.

It all sort of originates from the desire to point out what is different and other it. On the left we want to other the people that don’t fit in with us and make them feel bad so they change. “Gusano, Chud, etc” On the right they want to other the people that don’t fit in and shame them into changing. The differences aren’t that stark in a lot of ways.

Yes that’s fair, definitely.

Where I don’t agree is that we can find a way to fight fire with fire without burning innocents.

Agreeing on a basic framework of, “it’s okay to throw generalized insults at certain people” is not something I’m on board with, but I understand the reasoning in some ways.

There were also grifters selling courses to individuals to learn them up on how to buy their own trailer parks and run them into the ground. “Get rich quick” through mobile homes was big a while back. I imagine a lot of those got bought and consolidated by funds. Easier to buy out the one owner of a park than the 40ish people that are a mix of owning the land renting the trailer, renting the land owning the trailer, etc

Well congrats. I’m sure you have been disparaged in other ways though. The exact words don’t matter, intent does. The intent hasn’t changed for generations, just the words have.

a cripple" is dehumanizing and almost everyone who talked liked that is dead now

Trigger warning: language

Why do we need a word to target someone.

It’s a way of trying to get people to grasp an issue they couldn’t normally. It’s a tool for bridging a communication gap. It’s a specific type of example of a structural problem. You are looking at trees and not the forest.

really this could be applied to most non-specific insults then.

Yes, and it should, but that’s an intersectional issue

I’m sorry, are we not in a room talking about this very phenomena. It’s not about specific actions, it’s about a pattern of disrespect and the underlying structure.

Projection :/

Like for me, I’m such a good blank slate that people project all their shit onto me and my brain wants to think “yes, I am”

They communicate so much through subtext, just me giving all the context to make sure I’m understood is too much for them. “I don’t want to argue” well now I do so buckle up. You will understand me or you will be as upset as I am.

“You and I don’t agree”

That’s it. That’s what is being disparaged

Isn’t the implication of “low intelligence” the ableist part? The words don’t matter so much as the pathologizing of “intelligence.”

This. Exactly this. People are missing the forest for the trees.

It’s bad faith. If you have to go back to a dictionary and say “look see this isn’t offensive you’re wrong” then maybe take a step back

Calling a situation Crazy is punching across the isle at the person who hears and gets dis-regulated. Switching what the word is doesn’t change the situation. I’m 100% positive that there are people who would not like to hear things called lame or crippled because yes that is still used disparagingly.

Bump amber whataboutism

Bump amber whataboutism