I think your take on his perspective is a dangerous one. You sound willing to “do anything to save democracy”. That’s exactly what wild Trump supporters would say, and it’s just as patently immoral and impossible.
But it is immoral to become a fascist in order to fight against fascism. And that’s the proposal on the table; Biden should use his newly found presidential immunity to do “official” acts, like have all of the Republican leadership assassinated, or jailed in Gitmo, or I don’t even know. If Biden wins by killing democracy, then democracy is still dead, even though we have a less-evil leader at the helm.
But that’s still an ignorant black & white position. It is NOT, in fact, immoral, to do a good thing with unjustly acquired power. It is NOT immoral to suddenly have unjust power, but it is to seek it, or use it for immoral ends
There’s no way to use that power in a way that’s just though, because the power itself is unjust. Any use of that power necessarily goes against the concept of this being a nation of laws, where no person has absolute authority to enforce their will at the expense of others.
Of course, if you don’t truly believe in democracy as a concept, then the idea of using an immoral power in a “good” way seems fine.
If you don’t work by the same rules as others, they win. This is the real world, not a fairy tale.
Doing GOOD things is good. Period. It’s the same question as, “if you had a billion dollars”. If your answer is, “nothing because I did not earn that money”, you are nothing but a fool.
How does playing by the SAME rules equate to fascism?
When the rules are, “the president is actually a ruler that can do whatever they want without legal consequences”, it’s a dictatorship for the ruler to do as they please rather than following democratic laws and norms, even if the opposition would use those dictatorial powers.
It’s black and white thinking because this is black and white. Either you believe in democracy, or you don’t. It’s clear that you don’t, because you’re insisting that the president should act undemocratically.
I think your take on his perspective is a dangerous one. You sound willing to “do anything to save democracy”. That’s exactly what wild Trump supporters would say, and it’s just as patently immoral and impossible.
I find that a very common sentiment around here. Fight fascisim with fascisim.
Where are you getting ‘do anything’ from? All OP has said is maybe the octogenerian should retrire.
No, no it is NOT “just as immoral” to fight against fascists as doing a fascist takeover… What a moronic, childish, black & white take…
But it is immoral to become a fascist in order to fight against fascism. And that’s the proposal on the table; Biden should use his newly found presidential immunity to do “official” acts, like have all of the Republican leadership assassinated, or jailed in Gitmo, or I don’t even know. If Biden wins by killing democracy, then democracy is still dead, even though we have a less-evil leader at the helm.
But that’s still an ignorant black & white position. It is NOT, in fact, immoral, to do a good thing with unjustly acquired power. It is NOT immoral to suddenly have unjust power, but it is to seek it, or use it for immoral ends
There’s no way to use that power in a way that’s just though, because the power itself is unjust. Any use of that power necessarily goes against the concept of this being a nation of laws, where no person has absolute authority to enforce their will at the expense of others.
Of course, if you don’t truly believe in democracy as a concept, then the idea of using an immoral power in a “good” way seems fine.
If you don’t work by the same rules as others, they win. This is the real world, not a fairy tale.
Doing GOOD things is good. Period. It’s the same question as, “if you had a billion dollars”. If your answer is, “nothing because I did not earn that money”, you are nothing but a fool.
Then you don’t believe in democracy; you believe that fascism is fine as long as it’s your fascism.
End of story.
No, actually. In fact, working under the same set of rules is distinctly NOT fascist. At all. Period.
Fascism is rules for the out-group that are conveniently not applicable or simply not enforced on the in-group.
So, tell me. How does playing by the SAME rules equate to fascism? Your black & white thinking is quite sad.
When the rules are, “the president is actually a ruler that can do whatever they want without legal consequences”, it’s a dictatorship for the ruler to do as they please rather than following democratic laws and norms, even if the opposition would use those dictatorial powers.
It’s black and white thinking because this is black and white. Either you believe in democracy, or you don’t. It’s clear that you don’t, because you’re insisting that the president should act undemocratically.
And there’s no way one side has valid concerns and the other is fucking crazy.
Both sides, says one side.
Trumpets want to save their Republic. It’s rather a different thing.