With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.

"How has Stein fared as a leader? By AOC’s perfectly reasonable standard, she’s done abysmally. As of July 2024, a mere 143 officeholders in the United States are affiliated with the Green Party. None of them are in statewide or federal offices. In fact, no Green Party candidate has ever won federal office. And Stein’s reign has been a period of indisputable decline, during which time the party’s membership—which peaked in 2004 at 319,000 registered members—has fallen to 234,000 today.

This meager coalition can’t possibly kick-start a legitimate political movement, capable of organizing voters and advancing ideas outside of perennial electoral events. It’s just large enough, however, to spoil the work of those who put in this kind of work."

  • @[email protected]English
    20•9 months ago

    Can you imagine if you campaigned against trump half as much as you campaign against progressive parties?

    • themeatbridge
      63•9 months ago

      Jill Stein is a lot of things, but “progressive” ain’t one of 'em. I’d love for Harris and the Dems to be more progressive, but they’re going to need a better example than Stein.

        • @[email protected]English
          5•9 months ago

          No one is going to read that, let alone answer you. See, this is a Stein hate thread, you’ve already lost the game.

          (I know nothing about her.)

          • the post of tom joad
            9•9 months ago

            And while your first point is sound, the buried lede, (the part in parenthesis) is the real point, isn’t it?

            dems itt maybe knew her name before the party started smearing her. wonder how many will ever bother to look her up?

        • @[email protected]English
          10•9 months ago

          Ah yes, the platform of a candidate that does not have a chance at win ing, even by mistake, and can say whatever the fuck they want because of it.

        • Rhaedas
          3•9 months ago

          That’s a long list of progressive ideas. Too bad she can’t possibly win in a two party system. I like the assumption that if she did get the office all that would immediately take effect. That’s not how it works. Unfortunate for many of the ideas she lists, but also as a protective measure in case people like Trump get in and sweep what’s left away to put in place a dictatorship. Like he’s promised to do.

          So putting away the policy comparisons and party names, and just looking at the math. Can a third party win in an established two party system in a FPTP election? The answer is a simple no. I’d love to see a ranking system in place to allow diversity of opinions have a chance in elections, and there’s a bill right now to do that nationally, by Democrats because they’re the ones that would do well in such a system. Let’s fix the real problem and stop this decades-long third party dream to do the impossible.

          And until there’s a grassroots movement and support at the local levels, the Green Party is always going to look like and be the spoiler party, no matter how many nice ideas they have bullet points for.

          Here’s a question for you: How many of those Green policies are similar to Harris policies? I saw a few, I just wonder if you realize that you could get some of that stuff done easily with Democrats in all three seats of power. Which we have a chance to do.

          • @[email protected]English
            1•9 months ago

            I like the assumption that if she did get the office all that would immediately take effect.

            Well if youre just gonna flat out lie

    • the post of tom joad
      10•9 months ago

      Or if for policies popular with a wide swath of America? Naw. I believe what MSNBC and all the real adults in the room agree with:

      Our party should ebrace moderate Republicans! Smear the greens! Keep leftist spoiler parties off the ballot! Dismiss Dem party dissidents as traitors and foreign assets! This is what real leftists do. All leftists to the left of me are actually to the right.

      I would know, i’m a Democrat, and I’m as left as they come

      • @[email protected]
        5•9 months ago

        A party that might get 1% of the vote represents a “wide swath of America” more than a party that gets >50% ?

          • @[email protected]
            6•9 months ago

            Let’s talk about the issue at hand. Do you think pulling support for Israel to appease 1-5% of the voter base would have no consequences when it comes to voters who want to support Israel?

              • @[email protected]
                4•9 months ago

                Your argument, so you go first: Which widely popular policy is the Democratic Party not endorsing, and can you cite a measurement of how popular it is?

                • the post of tom joad
                  1•9 months ago

                  Ahhhhhhhh so your claim isnt real.

                  You’re not gonna back your claims up… And i don’t care to speak with somebody who won’t.

                  Your argument is spurious. without a link. I already told you before, there is a minimum QoC i expect in my discussions, a minimum you refuse to reach.

                  So flip me off (pretty much what you’ve been up to this whole time) and get gone

      • @[email protected]
        10•9 months ago

        Oh, yeah, me too, I am a very far left lefty. That’s why when it comes to elections I ignore groups like Uncommitted and instead vote how the furthest right group wants lefties to vote.

    • abff08f4813c
      1•9 months ago

      I imagine that most of it is going there, at least if one were to follow the money trail. It’s just that the Green party is so much smaller, so a few bits of afterthought saber rattling hurt them a lot worse than a much larger spend (by the Dems) against the GOP hurts the GOP.