With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.

"How has Stein fared as a leader? By AOC’s perfectly reasonable standard, she’s done abysmally. As of July 2024, a mere 143 officeholders in the United States are affiliated with the Green Party. None of them are in statewide or federal offices. In fact, no Green Party candidate has ever won federal office. And Stein’s reign has been a period of indisputable decline, during which time the party’s membership—which peaked in 2004 at 319,000 registered members—has fallen to 234,000 today.

This meager coalition can’t possibly kick-start a legitimate political movement, capable of organizing voters and advancing ideas outside of perennial electoral events. It’s just large enough, however, to spoil the work of those who put in this kind of work."

  • @[email protected]
    5•9 months ago

    If there’s such a fear of third parties cleaving off votes from the Democrats, why have they never tried to mobilize similar forces on the right?

    We had the Libertarians right there, before they imploded.

    • LustyArgonianEnglish
      7•9 months ago

      Because Democrats are honestly bad at their jobs. I can’t come to any other conclusion - whether it’s intentional or just basic incompetence, I’m not sure. There’s no Mitch McConnell Dem equivalent, including Nancy Pelosi. The current Supreme Court justice mess is due to Dem strategy fuckups on multiple levels.

    • @[email protected]English
      16•9 months ago

      The Republican party saw it happening and absorbed it. Groups like the Tea Party were a very real threat to Republican party candidacy in elections. They absorbed the groups and shifted more right to integrate them.

      The Democrat leadership however aren’t willing to actually shift left. They current Dem leadership aren’t actually radically left at all like the Republicans keep trying to convince people. They keep shifting right along with everything else taking the Overton window with them.

      • @[email protected]
        8•9 months ago

        Because people on the left are mostly younger and they won’t vote no matter what you promise them, even if it’s everything that they want to be promised.

  • @[email protected]
    12•9 months ago

    Reactionary people are unable to accept that some of us are socialists who have an absolute fear of more orange bad. I love where I live and planned to stay the rest of my life, but will be forced (by my own standards and fear) to leave the country if he returns to office.

  • @[email protected]English
    8•9 months ago

    She’s going to spoil the election for Harris libs! There’s nothing you can do about it, except stop your genocide is Gaza.

    • @[email protected]English
      20•9 months ago

      Such commitment to the bit! Love how you encapsulated the sheer ignorance and downright avoidance of reality of typical leftists here in just a few short sentences!

      You’ve got a career in comedy ahead of you!

  • @[email protected]
    5•9 months ago

    It’s just large enough, however, to spoil the work of those who put in this kind of work.

    The big 2 parties haven’t put in more effort, they’ve just put in more person-hours… Because they have more people. Parties aren’t more worthy of votes based solely on how many people are voting for them, that’s tyranny of the majority. And if they can adapt their platforms to appeal to the small portion of undecided defectors from their primary rival party (each other), they damn sure can tailor their platform to the 100,000s that vote independent/3rd party.

    Checking biases, the only other article by this contributor is explaining why it’s actually A Good Thing™ that the Harris campaign doesn’t explain their platform in depth… You know, like you would want a leader to do if you were subject to their rules and policies for any length of time.

    Once again, the liberals are quick to assign blame for any of their shortcomings, and it’s just coincidentally never their fault nor responsibility to do anything. Their primary guiding principal for decades has been to change the status quo as little as possible to ensure they can’t be blamed for the changes, while accusing everyone else of destroying democracy.

    • @[email protected]
      4•9 months ago

      Its funny that some democrats are doing exactly what you say in your last sentence, calling any criticism of the party an attempt to destroy democracy.

        • @[email protected]
          1•9 months ago

          Still then prevalence of that perspective is a bit jarring.

          Sort of like, “we can do freedom to vote next election, promise!”

    • @[email protected]
      2•9 months ago

      Politically it is a good thing. I don’t know what angle they took but it generally means the campaign believes they’re in the lead.

      As far as having more man hours to throw at stuff, it sounds like the green party needs to be recruiting. Not lancing at windmills and getting laughed off the stage.

    • abff08f4813c
      1•9 months ago

      I liked Nader, and there were a few candidates inbetween before Stein took it over for good. But now even Nader isn’t for Stein…

  • @[email protected]
    17•9 months ago

    ITT: Blue MAGA and preaching to the choir.

    Dr. Jill Stein has improved the Green Party; y’all just believe anything the duopoly and owner-class media spit out when it agrees with your thinking.

    Muslim support is at an all-time high for Dr. Jill Stein; that is why AOCPelosi, the new attack dog of Blue MAGA, started up again.

    I suggest getting out of the echo chambers and checking out independent journalists instead of continuing the self-censorship.

          • @[email protected]
            4•9 months ago

            Liberals commit social murder daily and you want to go on about violence and suffering.

            Low wages is violence, no affordable housing is violence, income inequality is violence, social inequality is violence, for profit healthcare is violence.

            Do you see the trend? Violence isn’t just physical, it’s also mental, and economic.

            • @[email protected]
              1•9 months ago

              When people say you twist words, this is what they mean.

              “Murder” and “Violence” have well accepted meanings - redefining them to mean “anything that doesn’t line up with fringe-left communist ideals” is a propaganda tactic.

            • @[email protected]
              7•9 months ago

              Yeah sure anything you need to not feel bloodthirsty, buddy. Something something both sides. Maybe if you ever spoke to another human being irl you would not be like this

    • @[email protected]
      12•9 months ago

      The greater part of the population is not very intelligent, dreads responsibility, and desires nothing better than to be told what to do. Provided the rulers do not interfere with its material comforts and its cherished beliefs, it is perfectly happy to let itself be ruled.

      ~Aldous Huxley

      • @[email protected]English
        10•9 months ago

        Wow! Never read that quote. Perfectly explains how American politics got to be such a mess. I laugh at all the revolutionary talk around here.

        material comforts

        Yeah, no, we’re so well-fed we have to find excuses for our rampant obesity. There won’t be a revolution until people are literally fighting for food and our masters will never allow that to come to pass. Look at lemmy, bitching and moaning about video game prices and such. We’re pretty fucking far from lacking material comforts. To add, a lot of people think they’re suffering, but haven’t seen a day of true poverty in their lives. Y’all, you’re suffering in comparison to what could and should be.

        cherished beliefs

        As fast as we in the West are dropping religion, notice the politicians haven’t done anything about the rampant sex abuse? Taxing the church? Unheard of! Let the masses have their silly beliefs, stick to the middle of the road if you must, get elected again.

    • @[email protected]
      15•9 months ago

      Dr. Jill Stein has improved the Green Party; y’all just believe anything the duopoly and owner-class media spit out when it agrees with your thinking.

      In what ways, alongside the one point mentioned, and according to what sources (presumably not from the party itself)?

      • @[email protected]English
        7•9 months ago

        They are and they call you a nazi for saying free palestine or saying anything remotely negative about any democrat ever

        Edit but also the guy you’re replying to is dumb, wtf do they mean by AOCPelosi? They hate eachother xD

        • @[email protected]
          1•9 months ago

          They are absolutely not. I’m voting Democratic all the way down the ticket this year and I will say all day that Biden needs to cut the crap with his support for Israel (while also mentioning Trump has been accused of illegally contacting Israel to sabotage the ceasefire deals). Lots of people I know share this exact opinion. Your argument is a strawman.

          • @[email protected]English
            1•9 months ago

            You and your friends not being that doesn’t mean they’re not real. A lot of democrats will call you a Chinese spy for suggesting that Biden or other democrats could do better on Israel, and to them even remotely questioning whether we should be blindly VBNMWing for all eternity makes you a nazi who’s trying to get trump elected. Blue maga is real, and their existence and the fact all other democrats deny they exist is gonna get Trump elected 100x faster than trying to make democrats more electable and less genocidal. I promise you the moment trump dies, I never vote blue again unless yall get your shit together and stop trying to be almost as far right and and blindly fanatical and genocidal as republicans (slight edit bc I was being kinda hyperbolic on how many dems are magalike)

    • @[email protected]
      20•9 months ago

      Oh it’s our resident “independent journalism” guy who seems to post nothing but far-right podcasts.

  • @[email protected]English
    55•9 months ago

    When I was a teenager and foolish and a republican, we campaigned for the green party because we thought we could trick democrats into voting green but we’d never get them to vote republican. make of that what you will.

    • @[email protected]English
      28•9 months ago

      It’s literally one of the things they do every election. This isn’t new. Or even news. Unless people were living under a rock, or blind.

      Just like Russia, China, etc help any misinformation and disinformation campaign they can all over the world in other countries. All chaos is good for them in the end. Even if their ideal candidate doesn’t win, the bickering they help stole makes it harder for other countries to rally very well against their interests.

      It’s the same reason the US has done the same shit all over as well. Promoting and supporting coups is a national passtime because it helps the US indirectly either way.

    • @[email protected]
      3•9 months ago

      And Dems funneled money to MAGA fascists to split republicans. It’s art of war 101: divide and conquer; it doesn’t really reflect on the merits of anyone involved.

      Green could be a false flag puppet of the Republicans or they could have a legitimate platform and genuine candidates working to better the world for all the rightwing cares, what matters is that they are popular enough to detract from dems.

      Ironically, reacting to this as if Green is the enemy also plays into this tactic: dems become more isolated from other interests and therefore more resistant to change and adaptation to a changing political climate, which makes them less appealing and more likely to die out.

  • @[email protected]English
    10•9 months ago

    I think Ralph Nader killed it when he helped get us Bush and the war criminals.

    Jill just figured out the Putin would pay to reanimate its corpse.

    • @[email protected]OPM
      6•9 months ago

      The Green Party really didn’t exist before Nader. There was a loose coalition of state Green parties that united under Nader in 1996. But the idea of a national Green party wouldn’t happen until 2001.

      • @[email protected]English
        5•9 months ago

        Good point, but I still think that even if he created it, he also damaged its reputation the most in the 2000 election.

        Stein being a stooge for Putin is just the result of a weak/desperate organization that needs funding and has no real leadership or ideals outside of at best, wanting to exist, but at worst, planning to spoil for an ideologically opposite party.

  • @[email protected]English
    20•9 months ago

    Can you imagine if you campaigned against trump half as much as you campaign against progressive parties?

    • the post of tom joad
      10•9 months ago

      Or if for policies popular with a wide swath of America? Naw. I believe what MSNBC and all the real adults in the room agree with:

      Our party should ebrace moderate Republicans! Smear the greens! Keep leftist spoiler parties off the ballot! Dismiss Dem party dissidents as traitors and foreign assets! This is what real leftists do. All leftists to the left of me are actually to the right.

      I would know, i’m a Democrat, and I’m as left as they come

      • @[email protected]
        5•9 months ago

        A party that might get 1% of the vote represents a “wide swath of America” more than a party that gets >50% ?

          • @[email protected]
            6•9 months ago

            Let’s talk about the issue at hand. Do you think pulling support for Israel to appease 1-5% of the voter base would have no consequences when it comes to voters who want to support Israel?

              • @[email protected]
                4•9 months ago

                Your argument, so you go first: Which widely popular policy is the Democratic Party not endorsing, and can you cite a measurement of how popular it is?

                • the post of tom joad
                  1•9 months ago

                  Ahhhhhhhh so your claim isnt real.

                  You’re not gonna back your claims up… And i don’t care to speak with somebody who won’t.

                  Your argument is spurious. without a link. I already told you before, there is a minimum QoC i expect in my discussions, a minimum you refuse to reach.

                  So flip me off (pretty much what you’ve been up to this whole time) and get gone

      • @[email protected]
        10•9 months ago

        Oh, yeah, me too, I am a very far left lefty. That’s why when it comes to elections I ignore groups like Uncommitted and instead vote how the furthest right group wants lefties to vote.

    • themeatbridge
      63•9 months ago

      Jill Stein is a lot of things, but “progressive” ain’t one of 'em. I’d love for Harris and the Dems to be more progressive, but they’re going to need a better example than Stein.

        • @[email protected]English
          5•9 months ago

          No one is going to read that, let alone answer you. See, this is a Stein hate thread, you’ve already lost the game.

          (I know nothing about her.)

          • the post of tom joad
            9•9 months ago

            And while your first point is sound, the buried lede, (the part in parenthesis) is the real point, isn’t it?

            dems itt maybe knew her name before the party started smearing her. wonder how many will ever bother to look her up?

        • @[email protected]English
          10•9 months ago

          Ah yes, the platform of a candidate that does not have a chance at win ing, even by mistake, and can say whatever the fuck they want because of it.

        • Rhaedas
          3•9 months ago

          That’s a long list of progressive ideas. Too bad she can’t possibly win in a two party system. I like the assumption that if she did get the office all that would immediately take effect. That’s not how it works. Unfortunate for many of the ideas she lists, but also as a protective measure in case people like Trump get in and sweep what’s left away to put in place a dictatorship. Like he’s promised to do.

          So putting away the policy comparisons and party names, and just looking at the math. Can a third party win in an established two party system in a FPTP election? The answer is a simple no. I’d love to see a ranking system in place to allow diversity of opinions have a chance in elections, and there’s a bill right now to do that nationally, by Democrats because they’re the ones that would do well in such a system. Let’s fix the real problem and stop this decades-long third party dream to do the impossible.

          And until there’s a grassroots movement and support at the local levels, the Green Party is always going to look like and be the spoiler party, no matter how many nice ideas they have bullet points for.

          Here’s a question for you: How many of those Green policies are similar to Harris policies? I saw a few, I just wonder if you realize that you could get some of that stuff done easily with Democrats in all three seats of power. Which we have a chance to do.

          • @[email protected]English
            1•9 months ago

            I like the assumption that if she did get the office all that would immediately take effect.

            Well if youre just gonna flat out lie

    • abff08f4813c
      1•9 months ago

      I imagine that most of it is going there, at least if one were to follow the money trail. It’s just that the Green party is so much smaller, so a few bits of afterthought saber rattling hurt them a lot worse than a much larger spend (by the Dems) against the GOP hurts the GOP.