Young voters not voting in primaries is how we got into this situation.
You want politicians who represent you? Gotta vote in primaries! But the elderly, who are a smaller slice of the population, absolutely shit kick the youth in terms of voting in primaries.
Want change? Gotta vote even when it’s not trending on social media.
The problem with democracy is even when you and I do the right stuff, it’s all about encouraging those millions of others. And too many millions of younger voters don’t have your decency/notion of the body politic/whatever your reasons for voting are.
Whew! Good thing you’ve got an excuse for everything, otherwise you might actually have to do something other than play-act at being a radical on social media.
The primaries being controlled by party leadership is not an “excuse” to not participate in them, it’s just clarifying that that isn’t a sufficient approach.
If the most vocal young voters had actually shown up for Sanders, who as far as I can tell, offered pretty much everything progressives could realistically ask for, well, we’d be in a very different position.
But, elderly people outvoted the youth ans went centrist Clinton.
The party pulled plenty of shenanigans to stop Sanders from getting the nomination. The US has overthrown governments for less. They aren’t accountable processes.
Can you acknowledge that this hypothetical problem has never come up as progressive candidates have never won the majority of votes? (Because, yup, the progressive youth vote doesn’t show up.)
Plenty of older people voted (caucused in my state) for Sanders, including me. And in the general I voted for Clinton anyway. Those who didn’t are why we got trump.
Oh absolutely, no voting block is a monolith! (And thanks for caucusing for the good guys!) It’s just, on average, the older voters stood by Clinton in the primaries and as they show up in the greatest numbers, she won.
Young voters not voting in primaries is how we got into this situation.
You want politicians who represent you? Gotta vote in primaries! But the elderly, who are a smaller slice of the population, absolutely shit kick the youth in terms of voting in primaries.
Want change? Gotta vote even when it’s not trending on social media.
I do, I vote in primaries and my local elections.
That’s great! Keep it up! Encourage others!
The problem with democracy is even when you and I do the right stuff, it’s all about encouraging those millions of others. And too many millions of younger voters don’t have your decency/notion of the body politic/whatever your reasons for voting are.
Party leadership has control over primaries and don’t have any legal responsibility to have them be fair or even have them at all.
Whew! Good thing you’ve got an excuse for everything, otherwise you might actually have to do something other than play-act at being a radical on social media.
The primaries being controlled by party leadership is not an “excuse” to not participate in them, it’s just clarifying that that isn’t a sufficient approach.
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But whining is so much easier! You don’t even have to leave the toilet! /s
If you don’t vote in them it doesn’t matter.
If the most vocal young voters had actually shown up for Sanders, who as far as I can tell, offered pretty much everything progressives could realistically ask for, well, we’d be in a very different position.
But, elderly people outvoted the youth ans went centrist Clinton.
Edit: a word
If you do vote in them it may not matter.
The party pulled plenty of shenanigans to stop Sanders from getting the nomination. The US has overthrown governments for less. They aren’t accountable processes.
And at the end of the day, young progressive voters didn’t show up.
Before whining that everything is rigged, maybe show up in the numbers required to win?
Do you acknowledge that the primary processes are not legally required to be fair? Yes or no.
Sure, there’s no legal requirement.
Can you acknowledge that this hypothetical problem has never come up as progressive candidates have never won the majority of votes? (Because, yup, the progressive youth vote doesn’t show up.)
Yes or no.
No. What meaning is there in talking about votes in an election with no guarantee of fairness?
I just held an election where I got 100% of the votes (just one vote, me). If you don’t like it, it’s your fault for not showing up to it.
This is an impressively dumb argument.
“We shouldn’t vote because I can imagine a scenario in which they don’t count the votes!”
“Has that happened?”
“Well, no, but it could!”
I doubt you’re old enough to have seen Billy Maddison but you remind me of the bus driver:
Bus Driver : That Veronica Vaughn is one piece of ass, I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.
Billy Madison : No, you don’t.
Bus Driver : Well, not me personally but a guy I know. Him and her got it on. Wooo-eee!
Billy Madison : No, they didn’t.
Bus Driver : No, but you can imagine what it’d be like!
Plenty of older people voted (caucused in my state) for Sanders, including me. And in the general I voted for Clinton anyway. Those who didn’t are why we got trump.
Oh absolutely, no voting block is a monolith! (And thanks for caucusing for the good guys!) It’s just, on average, the older voters stood by Clinton in the primaries and as they show up in the greatest numbers, she won.