Also when we’re all being fucked over no one has a right to say how we (in general) should be protesting. People get to show their anger in whatever way they want. It’s like people asking for civility so they don’t have to deal with uncomfortable messages. Um fuck no. NSFW all the way if that’s what one decides.
It’s even healthier when you think about how this anger is being shown in a non-violent manner. If it helps people to express and work through their feelings about changes before deciding to accept those changes or to go elsewhere (setting aside the slim chance that anything actually changes which is rare in my personal experience), then I think it’s perfectly fine and normal.
The start of your comment reminded me of the exchange between Trevor Noah & Tomi Lauren where Trevor asks her, okay, so if this protest isn’t good, and this kind isn’t good, how should black people protest? How should they make their grievances known? And she just could not answer that question. Protests aren’t comfortable–they’re disruptive by nature. If protests don’t challenge anything or make anyone uncomfortable, what are they even doing?
While i wholeheartedly agree that people should protest however the heck the want…
…I still don’t get the rage this issue is causing. Don’t get me wrong, I’m the guy who has a list of businesses I don’t do any sort of business with because of their policies. But i feel like this could have been resolved with shutting down all subs and then everyone taking the summer off from computers. Instead everyone took 48hrs off and then had to get back to their addiction and ramp up their anger in the process.
well, some people don’t care, but others like me have been years there finding and joining communities, and for others who became admins and moderators, they spent a good chunk of their time to create and take care of communities over years for free. Now that has been taken from them, and even each step Reddit takes, enrages the content creators and curators even more, so they respond because they don’t want to give up, and now they may want revenge. So I totally support everything they’re doing, from filling it up with useless content to fill it up with NSFW content to avoid ads and so ruining Reddit cash flow. And I hope they keep going on for a while.
I get it. I’m a mod on a few subs and its definitely work.
The part that always stuck with me was that im on some company’s site, one I don’t pay for. I had no expectation that’s they would be benevolent and totally expecting that at some point they’d fuck everyone over. That’s what big business do.
I guess it just seems odd to me that so much of the site came back up so quickly. If half the site went private until they reversed the changes it would either be resolved or no one would be using the site. Most made it 48hrs, a few maybe 72. But the blackout didn’t really do much and yet people are still angry.
The blackout was fairly short, although some subreddits did continue it. But the main reason a lot of these subs stopped the blackout was reddit kind of forced their hands to reopen subs. They sent messages to all sub mods saying if any single mod wants to reopen the sub to get in touch with them and they’d basically get the head mod position and be able to take over. They also implied that if subs continue to stay private they’d find someone that is willing to take over moderation responsibilities so the sub could reopen. The solution to this that moderators came up with was to open the subs but purposely sabotage them with ridiculous rules. Preferably ones that would require the sub to become a full time NSFW sub.
Also you seem to be arguing that a blackout is effective but ridiculous sub rules like /r/videos can’t post links to videos isn’t effective. Both are effective. There are a lot of people that are probably trying lemmy because popular subreddits like /r/videos and /r/pics are pretty useless in their current state… they’re effectively as good as private in their current state without actually being private.
All you’re saying is people caved and wanted their addiction back. No one was really willing to walk away and Reddit knew that. If you have one scab the whole union concept falls apart. And because Reddit can just replace mods i don’t trust that they won’t do it whenever they please. They have no fiduciary or legal agreement with you to kept you as a mod when they feel your protest is harming them.
I have a feeling with a simple query we will see the mods of these newly NSFW subs will suddenly lose their mod role.
I agree.
Also when we’re all being fucked over no one has a right to say how we (in general) should be protesting. People get to show their anger in whatever way they want. It’s like people asking for civility so they don’t have to deal with uncomfortable messages. Um fuck no. NSFW all the way if that’s what one decides.
Thanks for agitating
It’s even healthier when you think about how this anger is being shown in a non-violent manner. If it helps people to express and work through their feelings about changes before deciding to accept those changes or to go elsewhere (setting aside the slim chance that anything actually changes which is rare in my personal experience), then I think it’s perfectly fine and normal.
The start of your comment reminded me of the exchange between Trevor Noah & Tomi Lauren where Trevor asks her, okay, so if this protest isn’t good, and this kind isn’t good, how should black people protest? How should they make their grievances known? And she just could not answer that question. Protests aren’t comfortable–they’re disruptive by nature. If protests don’t challenge anything or make anyone uncomfortable, what are they even doing?
I’d like an app that can scramble (not delete) all my posts. Does that exist?
While i wholeheartedly agree that people should protest however the heck the want…
…I still don’t get the rage this issue is causing. Don’t get me wrong, I’m the guy who has a list of businesses I don’t do any sort of business with because of their policies. But i feel like this could have been resolved with shutting down all subs and then everyone taking the summer off from computers. Instead everyone took 48hrs off and then had to get back to their addiction and ramp up their anger in the process.
The NSFW thing is awesome though.
well, some people don’t care, but others like me have been years there finding and joining communities, and for others who became admins and moderators, they spent a good chunk of their time to create and take care of communities over years for free. Now that has been taken from them, and even each step Reddit takes, enrages the content creators and curators even more, so they respond because they don’t want to give up, and now they may want revenge. So I totally support everything they’re doing, from filling it up with useless content to fill it up with NSFW content to avoid ads and so ruining Reddit cash flow. And I hope they keep going on for a while.
I get it. I’m a mod on a few subs and its definitely work.
The part that always stuck with me was that im on some company’s site, one I don’t pay for. I had no expectation that’s they would be benevolent and totally expecting that at some point they’d fuck everyone over. That’s what big business do.
I guess it just seems odd to me that so much of the site came back up so quickly. If half the site went private until they reversed the changes it would either be resolved or no one would be using the site. Most made it 48hrs, a few maybe 72. But the blackout didn’t really do much and yet people are still angry.
The blackout was fairly short, although some subreddits did continue it. But the main reason a lot of these subs stopped the blackout was reddit kind of forced their hands to reopen subs. They sent messages to all sub mods saying if any single mod wants to reopen the sub to get in touch with them and they’d basically get the head mod position and be able to take over. They also implied that if subs continue to stay private they’d find someone that is willing to take over moderation responsibilities so the sub could reopen. The solution to this that moderators came up with was to open the subs but purposely sabotage them with ridiculous rules. Preferably ones that would require the sub to become a full time NSFW sub.
Also you seem to be arguing that a blackout is effective but ridiculous sub rules like /r/videos can’t post links to videos isn’t effective. Both are effective. There are a lot of people that are probably trying lemmy because popular subreddits like /r/videos and /r/pics are pretty useless in their current state… they’re effectively as good as private in their current state without actually being private.
All you’re saying is people caved and wanted their addiction back. No one was really willing to walk away and Reddit knew that. If you have one scab the whole union concept falls apart. And because Reddit can just replace mods i don’t trust that they won’t do it whenever they please. They have no fiduciary or legal agreement with you to kept you as a mod when they feel your protest is harming them.
I have a feeling with a simple query we will see the mods of these newly NSFW subs will suddenly lose their mod role.