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    21 month ago

    Not until everyone leaves the union to get extra pay and the union loses all its bargaining power.

    • @[email protected]
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      31 month ago

      In my case, even that wouldn’t matter. The only way for an employer to get out of a union agreement is to shut down the business completely.

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        11 month ago

        Your union agreements last until the end of time and never get renegotiated?

        • @[email protected]
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          21 month ago

          It’s a union shop on Union contract. Again you just don’t understand basic facts of life you should have learned in civics.

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            11 month ago

            I’ll ask again, since you comletely ignored the question: so their contracts never expire and never get renegotiated?

            • @[email protected]
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              11 month ago

              The union contract covers the business license generally, so long as that exists the It’s a union shop. They would have to shutdown or mutually enter union termination which happens but it’s incredibly rare. They get renegotiated but generally no one is going to accept less and the company can’t go around the contract to cut pay, they can however provide incentive not to join.

              Legit, not answering your questions isn’t trolling, asking questions you should find out on your own is trolling. Making dumb comments about shit you clearly don’t understand is trolling. Go back to .ml or bother to research the subject you’re all worked up over.

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                1 month ago

                They get renegotiated but generally no one is going to accept less

                This is fundamentally not how anything works. The contract is determined by the relative power between the company and the union. If the union refuses to accept the company’s offer, then their only recourse is stuff like going on strike - and if they don’t have enough members for that to be a credible threat (because they’ve all been bought off) then yes, they will accept lower pay because they will have no other option.

                This is the first thing resembling a real answer you’ve given me (despite being completely wrong) after like 20 comments of pure evasion and trolling.

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              11 month ago

              Technically, yes, on paper, they do expire, gets cancelled and renewed every 2-3 years.

              In practice, no. They can’t not be renewed. If the employees don’t accept the agreement there will be a strike, and if the employers don’t accept the agreement they can make a lock-out. If the strike or lock-out leads nowhere, and society comes to a halt, the government can sign a law to require the work to resume on previous terms.

              The individual employer has no more say in the negotiations than an individual employee. The negotiations happen between the employer union and the employee union.

              Keep in mind that some companies actually want to have a union agreement. It’s really only the most unprofessionally run and privately owned companies who believe they can somehow save money from not having an proper agreement with their employees.

              Professionel companies focus on making money instead.of wasting resources fighting their own employees.