People are knee-jerk responding to you for a few reasons, but the heart of what you’re getting at needs to be understood a lot better in echo-chambers like Lemmy. (Yes, it is an echo-chamber guys, take a breath before attacking.)
We surround ourselves with all these memes and stories about leopards eating faces, about regret and republicans being booed at town-hall meetings and all these stories about Teslas being torched, and it gives us a really, really fucking biased perspective of the state of this administration. I wish you all would go out of these spaces more and listen to what people are saying, look at the echo-chambers the other side is using, look at the middle-ground like AP and Reuters, listen to the stale analysts give their less sensational takes.
We’re not phasing them guys. We’re not winning. We’re not going to sit here smug as we watch the fourth reich burn. They are succeeding at their plans.
We need a lot more people a lot more worried that we’re going to lose the entire fucking country and that this isn’t some inept president and his muppet sidekick who will be laughed at in history books, they are successfully dismantling our greatest military and economic alliances the world has ever seen, an age of prosperity and peace about to be wrecked for no other reason than to maintain the wealth of a few. We need people to realize they’re in the midst of losing everything right now, as we speak. By the time the average American feels the discomfort coming, it will be too late to do anything.
I’ve seen this happen in other countries, this is how it happens, this is how you lose your democracy and you all aren’t doing a fucking thing but trading memes and laughing every time someone takes an embarrassing picture of Trump.
The heart of what that comment says is that America approves of this coup, which is literally the opposite of what you’re pushing. There’s no need to lie about very clear polls showing negative public opinion.
I don’t think anyone here is under the illusion that negative polls alone will stop the dismantling of America but it shows that the sentiment is much broader than just our echo chamber.
Anecdotally, I’ve seen more vocal opposition than ever in traditionally neutral/conservative spaces (sports communities, the workplace, bars, etc…). The sentiment is there, people are worried, it just needs to be directed.
I want you to be fair and decent and just engage like you’re not trying to duel with an opponent, I’m just wondering, if it seems you’re just being antagonist I will block. I’m not here for emotional BS.
But I’m not lying about polls, I’m not addressing polls specifically, I don’t care about polls, nobody should. My concern is that we’re going to get stuck in a mindset FROM things like polls that we’re somehow okay to just sit on our hands and watch shit play out.
My phrasing was unclear, I meant the original “all time high” statement being a lie.
I think there’s two sides to that coin. One is complacency that everything will fix itself, but the other is the doomerism extreme. Things like:
this is what Americans want
X% of Americans support [atrocity]
there’s no political opposition
anything short of an armed insurrection is pointless [including records set by rallies, scale of protest movement, political engagement, etc…]
They might be true taken in one frame of reference, but being bombarded by them isn’t effective as a call to action. Seeing only the negative gives the impression that no change is possible and resistance is suppressed as much as complacency.
I understand your points but simply disagree that telling people that whatever we’re doing or not doing right now is working on any level. I firmly believe because of evidence around me that people broadly are more prone to inaction if they think this is just some passing political entertainment that will “sort itself out.” Our neo-liberal masses are really looking for validation for downplaying current events and there is no effective political opposition taking place, at least not on the scale needed to actually make changes or divert our course. It’s worse than you and many others know.
Most people are out-of-touch with politics and get ALL their news from social media, which is now tuned specifically to reinforce your existing beliefs and desires, so if you’re just another working American 300k in debt and working 60 hours a week to pay your bills and not paying attention to every political story, it’s really easy to tune out your obligations to take ANY kind of action to preserve your way of life. We need to let people know broadly that whatever narratives they’re reading, it’s not even remotely the whole story.
People are knee-jerk responding to you for a few reasons, but the heart of what you’re getting at needs to be understood a lot better in echo-chambers like Lemmy. (Yes, it is an echo-chamber guys, take a breath before attacking.)
We surround ourselves with all these memes and stories about leopards eating faces, about regret and republicans being booed at town-hall meetings and all these stories about Teslas being torched, and it gives us a really, really fucking biased perspective of the state of this administration. I wish you all would go out of these spaces more and listen to what people are saying, look at the echo-chambers the other side is using, look at the middle-ground like AP and Reuters, listen to the stale analysts give their less sensational takes.
We’re not phasing them guys. We’re not winning. We’re not going to sit here smug as we watch the fourth reich burn. They are succeeding at their plans.
We need a lot more people a lot more worried that we’re going to lose the entire fucking country and that this isn’t some inept president and his muppet sidekick who will be laughed at in history books, they are successfully dismantling our greatest military and economic alliances the world has ever seen, an age of prosperity and peace about to be wrecked for no other reason than to maintain the wealth of a few. We need people to realize they’re in the midst of losing everything right now, as we speak. By the time the average American feels the discomfort coming, it will be too late to do anything.
I’ve seen this happen in other countries, this is how it happens, this is how you lose your democracy and you all aren’t doing a fucking thing but trading memes and laughing every time someone takes an embarrassing picture of Trump.
The heart of what that comment says is that America approves of this coup, which is literally the opposite of what you’re pushing. There’s no need to lie about very clear polls showing negative public opinion.
I don’t think anyone here is under the illusion that negative polls alone will stop the dismantling of America but it shows that the sentiment is much broader than just our echo chamber.
Anecdotally, I’ve seen more vocal opposition than ever in traditionally neutral/conservative spaces (sports communities, the workplace, bars, etc…). The sentiment is there, people are worried, it just needs to be directed.
What is it you think I’m pushing?
Do you want me to requote your whole comment? Or are you just opposed to the “pushing” phrasing?
I want you to be fair and decent and just engage like you’re not trying to duel with an opponent, I’m just wondering, if it seems you’re just being antagonist I will block. I’m not here for emotional BS.
I’m agreeing with your concern and pointing out that the original comment does not support either of us
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But I’m not lying about polls, I’m not addressing polls specifically, I don’t care about polls, nobody should. My concern is that we’re going to get stuck in a mindset FROM things like polls that we’re somehow okay to just sit on our hands and watch shit play out.
My phrasing was unclear, I meant the original “all time high” statement being a lie.
I think there’s two sides to that coin. One is complacency that everything will fix itself, but the other is the doomerism extreme. Things like:
They might be true taken in one frame of reference, but being bombarded by them isn’t effective as a call to action. Seeing only the negative gives the impression that no change is possible and resistance is suppressed as much as complacency.
I understand your points but simply disagree that telling people that whatever we’re doing or not doing right now is working on any level. I firmly believe because of evidence around me that people broadly are more prone to inaction if they think this is just some passing political entertainment that will “sort itself out.” Our neo-liberal masses are really looking for validation for downplaying current events and there is no effective political opposition taking place, at least not on the scale needed to actually make changes or divert our course. It’s worse than you and many others know.
Most people are out-of-touch with politics and get ALL their news from social media, which is now tuned specifically to reinforce your existing beliefs and desires, so if you’re just another working American 300k in debt and working 60 hours a week to pay your bills and not paying attention to every political story, it’s really easy to tune out your obligations to take ANY kind of action to preserve your way of life. We need to let people know broadly that whatever narratives they’re reading, it’s not even remotely the whole story.