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It’s nice to see the senate opposition functioning.
Edit: 18 hours of holding the senate floor, giving voice to the american people. Lots of tears as american suffering is read out loud for the congressional record. Testiment from Americans across the country. This is the voice of the people. Please click the link, share and watch. The media needs to know we care about the opposition more than we care about trump rambling on a plane about fort knox.
It sounds like he would have done better to start at 7 AM, but I’ve not really looked into it.
I think it’s safe to assume he chose the time he did for a reason.
I’m sure he did, but I don’t know the reason, and the democrats have not impressed me with their brilliance recently.
Are all democrats the same?
So you don’t understand either, and are just assuming it’s the most effective way to go about it.
If I see a construction worker using a jackhammer on the side of the interstate, yes I assume they know what they’re doing until I see evidence to the contrary.
What if they’re doing it alone, in the middle of the night?
I’d hope you think that was strange at least.
No not really actually. I see roadwork done at night all the time. They do it because there’s less need for the roads in the evening so blocking a lane or more is less impactful.
See? Sometimes these things have more nuance and logic than you might think at first glance.
One guy.
Alone.
In the middle of the night.
That would be very strange. Just like this guy speaking to an empty room in the middle of the night.
It’s nearly as strange, that you don’t think it’s strange at all.
OK now you’re actually acting as if the specific details of your off the cuff metaphor are somehow truly relevant to the discussion at hand or in any way explain this situation with any level of granularity, so I’ll hold you to that: explain to me how this is like what you just described. Talk to me about how Booker is supposed to do something like this, and what is wrong with the way he did it.
I don’t say things without thinking them through.
You came up with the construction worker metaphor. Maybe you didn’t put any thought into that, I don’t know.
I asked about if construction worker was working alone in the middle of the night. Just like Booker is talking to an empty room in the middle of the night.
To me they both seem strange, and unlikely to be helping much.
Democrats have been demonstrating they don’t know what the fuck they’re doing to combat this fascist shut for decades now. The benefit of the doubt has passed.
Sure this was slightly better than rolling over, but this accomplished little
You say it accomplished little yet here we are all talking about it.
How much time and energy have you spent thinking about and talking about this subject today?
How many headlines are out there about it right now?
Think how much more we’d be talking about it if they did someone useful instead of performative for once…
I get it’s edgy and cool to shit on people doing something other than whining on forums but maybe you should just shut the fuck up and contribute meaningfully to solving the problem instead of jeering from the sidelines?
I know it’s great pretending like the usual performative shit that Democrats have been doing for years will suddenly work this time, but telling people who’ve seen this same exact bullshit fail countless timeless to shuf up isn’t going to make it less useless this time around, either.
Dude, we all certainly understand this less than a sitting senator. Get off it.
Maybe 7pm is significant, maybe it isn’t, but we are sitting here from our toilets still wiping the sleep from our eyes while this guy is giving a speech for 12 hours. Can we stop pretending we have any clue?
He’s going for the 24 hour record clearly so start time was irrelevant. He probably had a good nap before it started.
If the goal was actually stalling things, he’d have gotten more mileage not starting it at night, after all the real business had included. Could squeeze an extra half a day of RESISTANCE in there before…checks notes the Democrats help confirm yet another fascist piece of shit appointee into power.
Like I said. It was performative.
There’s a level of servility in this comment that is just downright distasteful.
I show no submission to authority. The point of my post, which was meant to be a jab at the armchair politicians / optics gurus / 4d strategists in this chain who were arguing over the effectiveness of starting at 7pm.
Your argument is literally an appeal to Authority.
I used a slight appeal to authority to highlight the ridiculousness of the initial argument. I’m not typing out a million different nuances / hedging everything I say.
Multiple things can be true at same time. I can acknowledge that a sitting senator obviously has some idea of what is / is not effective in terms of when / when not to filibuster while not bowing to the institution itself. Sorry I didn’t add three extra paragraphs about how despite being a US senator… Yada yada yada.
His argument is that when somebody is performing their job, you generally assume they know what they are doing
What a terrible argument that is, particularly in regards to elected officials.
So it could be purely performative and accomplish little?
I mean sure that could be the case. I didn’t say this was some slam dunk amazing move that’s going to move the needle in some obvious and substantial way.
Its just obstruction thats all. It’s an easy familiar legal move to obstruct the republicans adgenda. It’s a filibuster. We need to filibuster every bill, and when theres no bill we can filibuster more so no bills appear.
Nothing was obstructed, though.
Any time taken up on the senate floor prevents a bill from being introduced. So we just need to do this for another 2 years, and no MAGA laws for you. Sorry little maga boi
The Senate want voting on any bills at 3 in the morning. This didn’t impede business as usual in any way.
How many days are in a legislative session. They have taken up a full days of the senate. preventing anything from happen.
Millions of people like me are watching and trying to find hope and direction together. We are blocking the republicans and bringing light to their evil. 24 hours straight none stop.
what are you doing beside huffing and puffing gas?
Every single minute of time taken away from the republican congress from passing laws for trump is good. It means no one can legislate, hopefully it continues for 2 years.
They haven’t been passing laws. All the bad shit they’ve been doing these last couple months has been through illegal executive orders. Congress NOT acting has been the problem.
There’s a bill in the house that is going to remove congressional oversight from executive branch. Allow these executive orders to have much more weight. unitary executive theory? So you want more executive over reach or should we fight to keep the power of the people in the halls of congress?
What did speaking to an empty room in the middle of the night do to stop that bill?
Oh your a republican hahahaha ya. I get it. Don’t you have someones civil rights to violate? A constitution to shit on?
You ever read the constitution. Read it right now I dare you. How you gonna MAGA when you afraid of the constitution?
It’s astounding how stupid the people in this thread are. Do you not realize after doing fuck all to stop the confirmation of all the billionaires in this administration and the various agencies, talking a lot, is kind of a pathetic bit of “resistance”, especially since it isn’t even blocking anything since Congress hasn’t been involved in any of the ongoing coup.
They’ve been speaking for 24 hours. They’ve prevented anything from happening in congress for 24 hours. They’ve been brining light to republican plans and the concequences of their action so far. They are doing the only thing they can which is stand on the senate floor and provide a oppostion for the republican adgenda.
What are you doing? Complaining? Dooming? Are you protesting with us on friday? Head in the sand scared? What are you up to captain criticism. you’ve clearly been thinking hard about this?
Congress wasn’t doing shit to begin with. Nothing changed.
Did you get kicked off of r/con for not being extremist enough? Or reddit banned for being to extremist? Did slither your way to lemmy learning nothing from the experience?
In what way is wanting our corporate dipshit party to stand up to the fascist racists for once…a right wing stance?
Or is it that everyone who isn’t gung ho about performace art after they let Republicans take a dump on the constitution, must also be a Republican?
So it was an empty room? You’re sure about that?
Hes going to break the longest filibuster record at 24+ hours so does it matter when he started?
It’s such a simple concept, everyones got an opinion without taking the time to think that a filibuster is just preventing anyone else from using the Senate floor. It generates headlines, 24 hours of bitching. if cable news isn’t playing this you need to share with your family and friends.
The whole point of this is prevent the government from passing laws, and airing the grievances of america.
Its truly inspirational, try watching instead of criticizing, then come back and say something related to the filibuster?
Not a filibuster
noun: filibuster; plural noun: filibusters
HOW IS THIS NOT A FILIBUSTER HOW IS THIS NOT A FILIBUSTER HOW IS THIS NOT A FILIBUSTER???
I think the argument I’m entertaining is that there is already not much business going on at 3AM.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad one of our leaders is showing a little spine, but he could afford to be a little more tactical about it.
My guy he has been speaking from 7 PM last night to 2PM today. He’s going to set the record for longest filibuster. I’m filled with hope and emotion listening to his words. He can barely stand after 19 hours on his feet and he’s still PLEADING FOR US.
What are you talking about? Thats a full day of the legislature. There are only like 500 days left in the term. LETS GOOOOOOOO
Not a filibuster
noun: filibuster; plural noun: filibusters
HOW IS THIS NOT A FILIBUSTER HOW IS THIS NOT A FILIBUSTER HOW IS THIS NOT A FILIBUSTER???
Good on him, then.
Honestly, even if I don’t understand why he did it that way, he’s at least doing something.
Ya man, if you click the link you will see a man sacraficing his body for our voice. You’ll hear your own voice and your own suffering. Our concerns, our dreams.