• @[email protected]
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    1711 days ago

    Hypothetically, would literal tree-hugging (i.e. chaining myself to a tree) be an effective method of protest and prevention? Would the loggers cut me down anyways? Just a random thought.

    • Drusas
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      811 days ago

      Trees have been saved by people camping in them.

      • @[email protected]
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        1211 days ago

        That relies on the loggers fearing a murder charge. In Trump’s America, would a logger be charged with murder for “accidentally” killing a tree hugging protestor?

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          411 days ago

          Treesitters have been killed by loggers before and didn’t face murder charges iirc. They are probably more worried about wrongful death suits.

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          211 days ago

          They were defending themselves against domestic terrorists /s (but actually just cynicism)

    • @[email protected]
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      1111 days ago

      Depends on what you mean by “effective.” It might delay them for a few hours or a day. There’s a long history of this kind of thing, although it’s usually more effective to do a treesit rather than a lockdown for trees. You could do a lockdown on equipment like bulldozers/feller bunchers though. The Earth First! Direct Action Manual has a lot of info.

      Be prepared to be literally tortured in various ways, including pepperspray placed directly in your eyes, pain compliance holds, or they just cut the chains/lockbox you’re in and if you get cut with it too bad.

      Personally I’m not a big fan of get-arrested-on-purpose types of direct action, but it has its uses. I strongly recommend that if you’re going to do something like this you connect with a group that knows how to do it and you have a support crew, including jail/legal support.

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          11 days ago

          Sure, lab safety goggles will protect you from pepper spray in most instances. But what eye protection you’re wearing won’t matter. You’re chained to a tree. The cops can do literally anything they want to you, including ripping your safety glasses off and emptying a can of pepper spray directly in your eyes. See: the infamous case of the Pepper Spray 8

          Deputies pepper sprayed Mike McCurdy (above) and Noel Tendick directly in the eyes at close range while they were locked together through the tracks of a Pacific Lumber bulldozer on an old-growth redwood logging site. The activists endured the torture and did not unlock. Deputies then safely cut them loose with a portable grinder, as they could have done without using pepper spray, and as they had done hundreds of times in previous years.

    • @[email protected]
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      1311 days ago

      There are groups already doing the work. Look them up!

      For example, BARK Out! Is active around Mt Hood in Oregon.

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      2511 days ago

      You’re gonna get labeled a terrorist and probably shot

      The way to go is in the monkey wrenching book (forgot the full name:

      You take steel bars, and cut them to size

      Then you remove a piece of bark

      Drill a hole into the tree

      Put the steel rod in

      Glue the bark back on

      Do it at eye level-ish, that way you’re not hurting the worker with a snapping chain, instead damaging the lumber mill. Bigger damage anyways

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        511 days ago

        What do we use when they start checking the trees with metal detectors?

        I don’t think cinder blocks would work as well

        • @[email protected]
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          811 days ago

          If anything that’s time wasted having to check every tree. Makes their big tree harvesters slow way down

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          411 days ago

          Iron bars are the old fashioned way, the modern method is a granite or concrete rod, not quite as good as iron but it’ll still fuck up a saw good

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          411 days ago

          That’s actually addressed in the book as well, you can get hardened ceramic rods that work even better, they’re just a bit more expensive

    • Kuori [she/her]
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      511 days ago

      maybe flying too close to the sun here but don’t sacrifice yourself for your beliefs in a way that won’t make effective change.

      there are other, more valuable targets if you’re willing to spend your life on a cause.