Everything else aside… What the fuck is so urgent about cutting down forests that you need a emergency order to green-light it?
Nothing. The “emergency order” is entirely so he doesn’t have to go through Congress to do it.
Quickly becoming his go to play. It’s how he pushed through tariffs and how he was able to auto deport all those people. There’s probably more that I’m unaware of but the amount of national emergencies the man has declared so far is kinda crazy
“I can do anything I want if it’s an emergency!”
Dang i wonder if we can find example of emergency powers eroding democracy in the past now…
Not from a jedi…
“And I get to say when it’s an emergency!”
But does this type of EO have legal backing?
It’s kind of a case by case basis is my understanding. The president does have pretty broad emergency powers but the courts can block any individual one if they feel it’s overstepping.
Almost like they’re fully comforatble with reckless corruption.
They are fully comfortable with reckless profits. Corruption is just the price to pay.
Building “freedom cities” for billionaires, maybe. In his '23 announcement, it specifically stated:
Freedom Cities will be built on federal land that is undeveloped and not part of any of our country’s magnificent national parks or other natural treasures.
Which I assume means they’ll be built on your parks?
(for anyone scrolling past like, “wtf are freedom cities” - it’s feudalism. The Company Town. Literally lords and serfs type shit. Plenty of good places to read more about it, but here’s one to start.)
Maybe because the dumb fuck instituted tariffs that makes lumber prohibitively expensive? I don’t know. Nothing makes any fucking sense anymore.
The MDF furniture must flow
‘emergency’ is a word that means the executive does what they want
Have to urgently circumvent Congress.
Profit
I guess domestic demand is high because we certainly can’t export them.
Perhaps to mitigate the repercussions from tariffs on lumber from Canada. We saw a bailout for farmers impacted by his previous tariffs, the administration may actually believe the national forests can save Trump from the consequences of his actions.
probably something to distract the masses, from all the federal cuts, and tariffs from the news,
What the fuck is so urgent about cutting down forests that you need a emergency order to green-light it?
Replacing timber we previously got from Canada before the screaming from the industries that use lumber that is now tariffed gets too loud.
I don’t know enough about those industries to know if it’ll work, though.
and its the forests timber is not even good quality too.
I don’t think we have the sawmill capacity.
Millions of prisoners with hand tools can do that job.
this includes the one I live in the middle of. swear to God I’m gonna [redacted]
Same. Seeing all that blue over Utah boils my fucking blood.
But think of all the alfalfa fields that would free up room for!
Don’t make me pull the knife out
I love that this map still has the Gulf of Mexico.
I hate that this will be done to our national forests. They’re a natural treasure and should be protected for so many reasons.
Christ - that’s quite the logging order you’ve got there… this is an environmental disaster - just to reduce Canadian imports!?
When the Ents had reduced a large part of the southern walls to rubbish, and what was left of his people had bolted and deserted him, Saruman fled in a panic. He seems to have been at the gates when we arrived: I expect he came to watch his splendid army march out. When the Ents broke their way in, he left in a hurry. They did not spot him at first. But the night had opened out, and there was a great light of stars, quite enough for Ents to see by, and suddenly Quickbeam gave a cry “The tree-killer, the tree-killer!” Quickbeam is a gentle creature, but he hates Saruman all the more fiercely for that: his people suffered cruelly from orc-axes. He leapt down the path from the inner gate, and he can move like a wind when he is roused. There was a pale figure hurrying away in and out of the shadows of the pillars, and it had nearly reached the stairs to the tower-door. But it was a near thing. Quickbeam was so hot after him, that he was within a step or two of being caught and strangled when he slipped in through the door.
What do they claim the emergency is?
We’re importing too much of our lumber from a foreign country (Canada), which is a national security risk to the lumber-consuming parts of our economy. I wish I were joking.
do you remember when in minecraft you chopped down a forest for wood and didn’t replant it? remember how you had to go to triple the distance to find another one, wasting even more time?
Not sure they won’t be replanted, but a 600 year old redwood looks a bit different than a 5 year old pine tree.
The forests aren’t healthy… And some could indeed use proper thinning out. They’ve been stopped from burning naturally and remain uncut causing many tiny scrawny trees rather than large healthy forests. This makes wildfires that get out of hand that much more intense. The forests are full of perfect fire fuel. So proper thinning would be excellent in fact.
Obviously that’s not what trump is gonna do tho. No need to thin if you just clear cut.
Yeah cuss my money is on that the admin will also just straight cut though, not preserving new growth
Yeah, you need to cut or burn the new growth; it’s those old, huge trees that people want to cut down that survive the fires and re-seed the forest afterward.
Ya exactly… I only point out that the emergency order cites Forest health which is laughable. It is important but this order does shit to address it of course. Just one more thing they can point to and pretend to be doing something good. No one wants the twiggy brushy lumber that needs to be cleared away after decades of mismanagement.
Guaranteed way to speed up climate change
Well it is an Emergency, we gotta hustle
Not happy with destroying our society anymore. Now they have to physically destroy our country.
This is what happens when you allow conservatives to have control.
I’d ask Americans to make better decisions going forward, but we all know that isn’t happening.
RIP.
Conservatives, as in, conserving our portfolios and self preservation.
Trees are woke
Time for this guy to get taken out…of office.
I really hope to see him buried soon.
Under massive voter disapproval polls and impeachment proceedings.
To quote local shitstain Mike Davis, who was SUPER TOTALLY JUST JOKING “I want to drag their dead political bodies through the streets, burn them, and throw them off the wall.” Which, you know, same to you buddy.
It’s cool it’s OK when he says it.
Hypothetically, would literal tree-hugging (i.e. chaining myself to a tree) be an effective method of protest and prevention? Would the loggers cut me down anyways? Just a random thought.
You’re gonna get labeled a terrorist and probably shot
The way to go is in the monkey wrenching book (forgot the full name:
You take steel bars, and cut them to size
Then you remove a piece of bark
Drill a hole into the tree
Put the steel rod in
Glue the bark back on
Do it at eye level-ish, that way you’re not hurting the worker with a snapping chain, instead damaging the lumber mill. Bigger damage anyways
What do we use when they start checking the trees with metal detectors?
I don’t think cinder blocks would work as well
If anything that’s time wasted having to check every tree. Makes their big tree harvesters slow way down
Iron bars are the old fashioned way, the modern method is a granite or concrete rod, not quite as good as iron but it’ll still fuck up a saw good
That’s actually addressed in the book as well, you can get hardened ceramic rods that work even better, they’re just a bit more expensive
The Monkey Wrench Gang
“Ecodefense: A Field Guide to Monkeywrenching” was the name
Depends on what you mean by “effective.” It might delay them for a few hours or a day. There’s a long history of this kind of thing, although it’s usually more effective to do a treesit rather than a lockdown for trees. You could do a lockdown on equipment like bulldozers/feller bunchers though. The Earth First! Direct Action Manual has a lot of info.
Be prepared to be literally tortured in various ways, including pepperspray placed directly in your eyes, pain compliance holds, or they just cut the chains/lockbox you’re in and if you get cut with it too bad.
Personally I’m not a big fan of get-arrested-on-purpose types of direct action, but it has its uses. I strongly recommend that if you’re going to do something like this you connect with a group that knows how to do it and you have a support crew, including jail/legal support.
Is there a such thing as pepper spray resistant eyewear?
Sure, lab safety goggles will protect you from pepper spray in most instances. But what eye protection you’re wearing won’t matter. You’re chained to a tree. The cops can do literally anything they want to you, including ripping your safety glasses off and emptying a can of pepper spray directly in your eyes. See: the infamous case of the Pepper Spray 8
Deputies pepper sprayed Mike McCurdy (above) and Noel Tendick directly in the eyes at close range while they were locked together through the tracks of a Pacific Lumber bulldozer on an old-growth redwood logging site. The activists endured the torture and did not unlock. Deputies then safely cut them loose with a portable grinder, as they could have done without using pepper spray, and as they had done hundreds of times in previous years.
what a fascinating read!
There are groups already doing the work. Look them up!
For example, BARK Out! Is active around Mt Hood in Oregon.
Trees have been saved by people camping in them.
That relies on the loggers fearing a murder charge. In Trump’s America, would a logger be charged with murder for “accidentally” killing a tree hugging protestor?
Treesitters have been killed by loggers before and didn’t face murder charges iirc. They are probably more worried about wrongful death suits.
Sure would be a shame if the equipment kept experiencing catastrophic failure.
They were defending themselves against domestic terrorists /s (but actually just cynicism)
maybe flying too close to the sun here but don’t sacrifice yourself for your beliefs in a way that won’t make effective change.
there are other, more valuable targets if you’re willing to spend your life on a cause.
Just spike the trees.
2024 cost US 500 billion in hurricane costs. and how to you counter that, plant more trees not cut them down. he is the biggest clown in human history
“Emergency orders” designed to protect this country in case we’re attacked are being used by presidents to sidestep the constitutional as it regards separation of powers. It’s about time this shit came to an end also.
I guess America needed a declaration of emergency in domestic timber supply, caused by the declaration of an emergency of having friends as trading partners for timber 🦫…
So many emergencies - we’re being attacked on all sides… by industrialists.
If everything is an emergency then nothing is our you simply cannot govern.
Thats what they always use emergency powers for, and why theyre always causing emergencies
How are Congress and Senate okay with just being made completely redundant? Don’t they have at least a modicum of professional pride?
Apparently none whatsoever.
